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Gun safety debate is B.S. (NRA "worthy of firing squad," Palin "half-wit half-term quitter")
The Charleston Gazette ^ | May 30, 2013 | Journalism Professor Christopher Swindell, Marshall University

Posted on 06/01/2013 12:11:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Watching the celebration at the NRA convention over the defeat of background checks was the most nauseating experience of the day.

I am not a New York gun control liberal, either. I support a shotgun for home defense, a handgun for limited conceal/carry, and an assortment of hunting rifles to balance West Virginia's exploding deer population (as evidenced by hourly collisions with cars). So, I am hardly out of the mainstream.

But, the gun safety debate is B.S. This foaming at the mouth, Obamar is coming for the guns, Nanny Bloomberg is a bad billionaire, and most despicable of all, those survivors and victims are pawns in the liberal agenda is knuckle-dragging Cretan talk.

And no matter how many times Sen. Joe Manchin tries to explain his compromise (a decent attempt thwarted by extremists), the hard right lies and foams. The repeated lies now seem like the truth, what with the likes of Sen. Kelly Ayotte telling them.

Probably the most serious miscalculation opponents make is the guest list for the NRA speaker's podium. To let the half-wit half-term quitter Sarah Palin have a microphone is to alienate the very people Republicans need to work with on future legislation. To say nothing of the other speakers.

And how does choosing a white, rich old man with an offensive degrading speech about the war of "Northern Aggression" as NRA president forward a sense of reasonableness? History lesson: It was an awful Civil War won decisively some 150 years ago. Over slavery. The Confederacy wanted to keep African-Americans in chains and President Lincoln didn't.

Sure, there were states' rights issues, but nullification, secession, and treason were settled at Appomattox Courthouse. Sure, Reconstruction left a bad taste. But, resurrecting these same things, the way South Carolina is as we speak, is to invite a return to the whole concept of a Union.

Here it is. The NRA advocates armed rebellion against the duly elected government of the United States of America. That's treason, and it's worthy of the firing squad. The B.S. needs a serious gut check. We are not a tin pot banana republic where machine gun toting rebel groups storm the palace and depose the dictator.

We put the president in the White House. To support the new NRA president's agenda of arming the populace for confrontation with the government is bloody treason. And many invite it gladly as if the African-American president we voted for is somehow infringing on their Constitutional rights.

Normally, I am a peaceable man, but in this case, I am willing to answer the call to defend the country. From them.

To turn the song lyric they so love to quote back on them, "We'll put a boot in your ---, it's the American way."

Except it won't be a boot. It'll be an M1A Abrams tank, supported by an F22 Raptor squadron with Hellfire missiles. Try treason on for size. See how that suits. And their assault arsenal and RPGs won't do them any good.

So, to return to reality, all of us. Let's make common sense gun safety a deciding issue for 2014 and beyond. The NRA certainly has. Let's push back. We the People. The 85 percent who support more robust background checks. And when the next domestic terrorist with an assault rifle comes along, we can blame the leaders and fringe of the NRA for arming them.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; cw2; guncontrol; nra; palin; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; secondamendment
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1 posted on 06/01/2013 12:11:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s hardly anything there but bluster.


2 posted on 06/01/2013 12:17:10 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Chistopher: Sorry, I just can’t fix STUPID.


3 posted on 06/01/2013 12:18:15 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Journalism Professor Christopher Swindell, Marshall University

LOL! This is a joke, right? This reads like a second grade book report. At least he's admitting that the Second Amendment deals with taking-up arms against the government. Or is he just blowing gerbils up his ass?

4 posted on 06/01/2013 12:22:44 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Cretan”?

This guy is teaching journalism. No wonder the writing standards are execrable.


5 posted on 06/01/2013 12:24:39 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, comment. If this writer were in front of me, he’d be picking his teeth from off the floor.


6 posted on 06/01/2013 12:25:33 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What does he have against people from Crete?


7 posted on 06/01/2013 12:27:04 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: VeniVidiVici

Here’s the e-mail address of the W. Page Pitt School of Journalism and Mass Communications:

reynoldst@marshall.edu


8 posted on 06/01/2013 12:27:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this what the moderates wanted? People like this running our country?


9 posted on 06/01/2013 12:34:38 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This op-ed is gibberish. The reasoning of gungrabbers is infantile.


10 posted on 06/01/2013 1:01:40 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Poor thing, he’s to smart to see the big picture.


11 posted on 06/01/2013 1:02:44 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

to=too


12 posted on 06/01/2013 1:04:01 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Normally, I am a peaceable man, but in this case, I am willing to answer the call to defend the country. From them.”

This individual never swore an oath or he would have a clue just who and what he was defending.

Right out of the box, we get this: “Watching the celebration at the NRA convention over the defeat of background checks was the most nauseating experience of the day.”

I’m sure the celebration was about more than just background checks, because we have had those for far too long.

...and frankly I’m not an NRA member for a whole host of reasons, mostly concerning the fact that NRA has been around for every egregious attack on the Second Amendment since 1871. Everyone of them classified as an attack on “shall not be infringed”. All the NRA seems able to do is be the quintesseneial whipping boy for “joinalists like Mr. Christopher Swindell.

Though they would like to be a non-partisan in a very partisan business, it has been proven over and over and over, that position will gain you nothing in the battle for retaining God given rights.

I just love how Mr Swindell gets all puffy chested over his outrage at what he views as a very partisan organization that is clueless on his issue. Well, we don’t agree, but for an entirely different set of issues.

...and speaking of liars, this would be a quote from said join a list, “The NRA advocates armed rebellion against the duly elected government of the United States of America. That’s treason, and it’s worthy of the firing squad. The B.S. needs a serious gut check. We are not a tin pot banana republic where machine gun toting rebel groups storm the palace and depose the dictator”.

If I thought for one minute that there was an ounce of truth to that comment, I would be an NRA member in a heartbeat. I know it isn’t true and we have a hundred and forty plus years of solid evidence as proof positive. Oh if we need just one more little bit of proof, just look at the machine gun comment above and try to figure how those rebels will be toting machince guns when essentially they have been ruled out for the normal citizen, by the 1934 and 1987 “common sense” gun control legislation.

Much more could be said about the above, but for this discussion I leave it as is.

Mr Swindell in no more than another useful idiot, in the fight over good vs evil. It is quite obvious he stands on the side of evil over individual rights enumerated in the Constitution. I could go on and on, but to quote another useful idiot, “what difference does it make”.


13 posted on 06/01/2013 1:10:03 AM PDT by wita
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’LL TELL YOU ONE THING

PARAGRAPH SIX COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY ANY NUMBER OF JACKASSED NORTHERN WHAT CULTURE WAR TYPE SOCIAL LIBERALS WHO INFECT THIS FORUM AND CAN BE FOUND DAILY DEMEANING THE LAST CULTURAL REDOUBT IN THE NATION......AND THEY ARE TOLERATED.


14 posted on 06/01/2013 1:14:09 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I went to the Marshall University website, and tried to find any reference to “Christopher Swindell”, and there doesn’t seem to be anyone by than name on their faculty.


15 posted on 06/01/2013 1:17:51 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Fresh Wind

DR. CHRIS SWINDELL
Broadcast Journalism
MU Report, Adviser
(304) 696-2729
swindell@marshall.edu

http://muwww-new.marshall.edu/sojmc/WHO/FACULTY%20AND%20STAFF/JOURNALISM%20DIVISION/FACULTYJournalismDiv.html

Rate My Professors
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=883043

ULoop - Chris Swindell
http://marshall.uloop.com/professors/view.php/377592/Chris-Swindell


16 posted on 06/01/2013 1:47:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s another goodie by this feller.
http://www.wvgazette.com/Opinion/OpEdCommentaries/201108280916

Wonder what his opinion is on “Obamar’s” policies?

“Obamar” he was trying to poke at the stupid rednecks, right? But isn’t adding the R at the end a northeastern thang?


17 posted on 06/01/2013 1:56:47 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Fresh Wind

I sent a message to the email address in post #8.

I googled him and found another article of him ranting about the tea party.

His grammar and knowledge of history make me wonder about the quality of a Marshall University education.


18 posted on 06/01/2013 2:19:50 AM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This idiot knows nothing about Sarah Palin..
He punched a few conservative buttons but exposed himself as a moron..

This guy has ten foot pole marks all over over him..
I wouldn’t soil my pole on him..

No doubt this slug leaves a trail of mucus where ever he slides..
He’s trolling chicken wings thru a trailer park..
Looking for people that believes ‘rastlin is not an act..


19 posted on 06/01/2013 2:28:10 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s easy to understand why journalism is in the sewer, while colleges hire Swindell as a professor. It’s no wonder we don’t have a free press.


20 posted on 06/01/2013 2:46:56 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You can leave comments on the article. The professor has even replied to some! lol. I left a few.

And it is also evidence that even rural "redneck" West Virginia is not immune to the corruption of higher education by the left.

21 posted on 06/01/2013 3:02:19 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: kenmcg
It’s easy to understand why journalism is in the sewer, while colleges hire Swindell as a professor. It’s no wonder we don’t have a free press.
Oh, that’s just the trouble - we have a free press - we just don’t have free and independent presses.

“Liberals” love the Adam Smith quote about monopoly:

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. - Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations (Book I, Ch 10)
But when you consider the fact that you realize that it would be a wonder if the AP were anything else but “a conspiracy against the public” by now.
That conspiracy is called “liberalism."

22 posted on 06/01/2013 3:17:09 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We are not a tin pot banana republic where machine gun toting rebel groups storm the palace and depose the dictator.”

No, we’re a tin pot banana republic where machine gun toting
SWAT thugs storm house, and taze and shoot anything that moves in the name of “authority.”


23 posted on 06/01/2013 3:30:20 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: ScottinVA

house = houses


24 posted on 06/01/2013 3:31:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, Swindell is an elitist- gun protection for ME, but not for THEE.


25 posted on 06/01/2013 3:36:12 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Except it won’t be a boot. It’ll be an M1A Abrams tank, supported by an F22 Raptor squadron with Hellfire missiles. Try treason on for size. See how that suits. And their assault arsenal and RPGs won’t do them any good.”

If the regime has to use that to take down a group of patriots defending what’s left of their country, then so be it. I can’t think of a more glorious death. It sure as hell beats captivity in a FEMA death camp.


26 posted on 06/01/2013 3:38:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is just drivel!


27 posted on 06/01/2013 3:45:03 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Mad Dawg

“We put the president in the White House. To support the new NRA president’s agenda of arming the populace for confrontation with the government is bloody treason. And many invite it gladly as if the African-American president we voted for is somehow infringing on their Constitutional rights.”

Normally, I do not deconstruct the arguments of the retarded, but retarded and deliberately deceptive is more than my overstimulated gag reflex can stand.

So, let the deconstruction begin........

“We put the president in the White House” - true, lamentably so, but true. The Founders knew evil and treasonous men might well attain office and made certain the citizens could be armed to deal with the evil/treason if driven to that extreme by elected officials.

Mr. ProfessorPerson forgets that in America officials are but public servants. Servants, not masters, Mr. ProfessorPerson.

“To support the new NRA president’s agenda of arming the populace for confrontation with the government is bloody treason.”

The Founders wisely wanted citizens of the American Republic to be able to confront, AND BE ABLE TO DEFEAT, a tyranical government. They discussed this possibility and in most clear and unambiguous terms described how and why they had formed a government which the citizens COULD DEFEAT if said government became oppressive.

Good enough for the Founders is good enough for Americans of all ages, excepting Mr. ProfessorPerson and his collectivism infected Fellow Travelers.

“And many invite it gladly as if the African-American president we voted for is somehow infringing on their Constitutional rights.” Quite so, and our Constitutional Rights ARE being infringed Mr. ProfessorPerson.

Obviously, you are not concerned about such infringements, but Americans are, by definition.

Conclusion: Mr. ProfessorPerson is comfortable with infringement of Constitution guaranteed rights.


28 posted on 06/01/2013 3:45:47 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Except it won't be a boot. It'll be an M1A Abrams tank, supported by an F22 Raptor squadron with Hellfire missiles. Try treason on for size. See how that suits. And their assault arsenal and RPGs won't do them any good.

This moron knows nothing about asymmetrical warfare.

29 posted on 06/01/2013 3:57:51 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Professor of Journalism.

That means friends that his ideas are correct and your are wrong. He knows what is good for all of us, because he is a Professor of left wing Journalism.

He speaks of letting us have a blunderbuss, a few guns that are mostly not harmful now, but let him pass those regulations and later he will come for the blunderbuss.

My words to this learned professor is go screw yourself.


30 posted on 06/01/2013 4:00:48 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was going to come in and kick this guy's @$$ point by point (that was going to take a while - he is ignorant and a liar, or at least misinformed), but the posts above mine are excellent and called out my main points - it's "cretins", not "Cretans", moron, and the NRA goes out of its way at every opportunity to point out that they DO NOT advocate violent overthrow of the government.

As far as his arrogant comment about standing up to the NRA with counter violence, he'll be the first to sh!t himself and run to the nearest refugee camp. I'll be he doesn't even own a gun. Note that he says in essence "I support gun ownership", not "I own guns".

31 posted on 06/01/2013 4:08:00 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Flick Lives
The idiot knows nothing about warfare, period. Logistics wins wars. Weapons may be used.

/johnny

32 posted on 06/01/2013 4:13:51 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Hardastarboard

A quick search shows that he also posts at DU.


33 posted on 06/01/2013 4:20:08 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Charleston Gazette allows “contributors” to rant and contradict themselves with 3rd grade level rhetoric and call it an “editorial”.


34 posted on 06/01/2013 4:21:14 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s easy to threaten liberty from the safety of a pen while existing in the comforting arms of benevolent tyranny.


35 posted on 06/01/2013 4:27:19 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The Norwegian Nobel Prize winner for literature, Knut Hamsun (and his books are amazing) - turned nazist in his old age. His chief reason seemed to be that Hitler had a superfantastic war machine and was the winning side. Everyone must be on the winning side.

Idjitt even presented his Nobel medal to Hitler, I think.

People love monsters.


36 posted on 06/01/2013 4:29:29 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The F22 doesn’t shoot the hellfire... But I’m sure the prof doesn’t really care about facts.


37 posted on 06/01/2013 4:33:14 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Hardastarboard

Ahh.. didn’t get that. Womdered what he had against Greeks :).


38 posted on 06/01/2013 4:33:15 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s one one of obamas people ,an idiot.


39 posted on 06/01/2013 4:36:44 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How, pray tell, did this raving liberal lunatic “rise” to the level of Professor?


40 posted on 06/01/2013 4:45:42 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Marshall University. Enough said.


41 posted on 06/01/2013 4:57:51 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: GladesGuru

Well argued.

A problem for the Progressives is that they do not like people or freedom. SO they loathe the Constitution.

They can’t say so in so many words, so what they do is swathe it in laudatory words and phrases of respect and then bundle it out of the conversation as quickly as possible.


42 posted on 06/01/2013 5:02:38 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here it is. The NRA advocates armed rebellion against the duly elected government of the United States of America. That's treason, and it's worthy of the firing squad. The B.S. needs a serious gut check. We are not a tin pot banana republic where machine gun toting rebel groups storm the palace and depose the dictator.

The NRA does not advocate armed rebellion against the constitutional government of the United States of America, and neither do I. However, the Second Amendment is there for the security of a free State - to prevent tyranny or to enable armed rebellion against tyranny, should that blight ever arise in our country. In the event of tyranny, I join with many NRA members in advocating for the restoration of constitutional government, in accordance with the written supreme law of the land and with our oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

43 posted on 06/01/2013 5:03:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Normally, I am a peaceable man, but in this case, I am willing to answer the call to defend the country. From them.

Those that advocate tyranny always use this type of reasoning.

As for being in the mainstream, Mr. Journolist professor, you are way the hell out of it.

44 posted on 06/01/2013 5:10:26 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Whoa! We have an angry liberal here who didn’t get his way so he throws stones and pouts. Rather than writing a piece that actually takes a little brain-power he carries on like a little kid throwing a tantrum. Talk about making one’s self look like an idiot!


45 posted on 06/01/2013 5:11:15 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; PJ-Comix
Here’s the e-mail address of the W. Page Pitt School of Journalism and Mass Communications...

Are you sure it's not the W. Rivers Pitt School of Journalism and Mass Communications?

46 posted on 06/01/2013 5:12:34 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2D I hope this nut job reads the posts on this piece.


47 posted on 06/01/2013 5:26:50 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Your tax dollars at work.


48 posted on 06/01/2013 5:33:09 AM PDT by sport
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To: VeniVidiVici
It would be a joke except that this professor is poisoning the minds of the next generation of voters and leaders.

To the NRA:

The NRA will LOSE! Why?

Answer: Because the NRA focuses on immediate legalistic skirmishes while the nation's children ( and next generation of voters) attend our nation's socialist-entitlement and godless K-12 schools and universities. These schools and universities are filled to the brim with Marxists, homo-bullies, and teachers who were trained by professors of this ilk.

The godless Marxists are laughing at us and at the NRA.

49 posted on 06/01/2013 5:37:20 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: meyer

My guess would be either affirmative action or political connections, or a combination of both.


50 posted on 06/01/2013 5:43:17 AM PDT by sport
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