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Hydrobetatron.org Launches Open Source LENR Project
ECat World ^ | June 18, 2013 | admin

Posted on 06/19/2013 9:14:01 PM PDT by Kevmo

Hydrobetatron.org Launches — Open Source LENR Project

June 18, 2013 By admin

I received the following press release today from Ugo Abundo and Luciano Saporito regarding the launch of a new web site for open source LENR project. Ugo Abundo was the driving force behind the Pirelli High School (Rome, Italy) Athanor cold fusion device, and this work seems to have grown into this Hydrobetatron project. The following is Google translated (with some editing) from the original Italian.

Online now is the website: hydrobetatron.org Open Source Energy Project

Hydrobetatron.org is a website created by the will of Hugh Abundo and Luciano Saporito, just as support for this project, for willingness to work in ‘Under the new LENR science, commonly known by the name (even if improper) of “cold fusion”, with an Open Source philosophy. You can follow step by step all the work of development of the “hydrobetatron,” which will be held in the future, seeking to create a device, (the reactor), efficient and ingegnerizzabile by anyone with the necessary technical skills; in fact, all of the data, research, and construction plans will be in the public domain.

Purpose of the reactor and the production of economical energy, inexhaustible and clean, which we believe is vital to the well-being (and freedom) of man for the salvation of the planet Earth. We invite you to help the project hydrobetatron.org! With the economical energy, inexhaustible and clean, you will help yourself and also our planet!

These days we are building, with a group of founding member LENR researchers, the Association not for profit “OPEN Power”, it may enroll private supporters of the idea of sharing, researchers and other associations, public and private.

The purposes of the statute and the budget of the Association will be consulted on this website; the ultimate goal is to offer all such desirable success of research reached, a free alternative and free (for the exploitation of new energy) to the traditional route search-patent-industrial exploitation by competitors.

Cordially: Ugo Abundo and Luciano Saporito


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; lenr

1 posted on 06/19/2013 9:14:01 PM PDT by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/


2 posted on 06/19/2013 9:15:56 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/


3 posted on 06/19/2013 9:17:14 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Rossi, if he really did develop this tech, has some of the worst business and legal advisors on the planet. Why? Because good ones would have (1) gotten this tech disseminated to the universe, all details of it, and (2) made him a gazillionaire in the process who could buy and sell Bill Gates with pocket change.

It just isn’t that hard.

Hey Rossi, if you lurk, PM me. Not kidding. You’re about to fail yet again. Epically.


4 posted on 06/19/2013 9:21:16 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Oh and a follow up: I’m not kidding. That said, Rossi either is a complete fraud or he really does have the worst business and legal advisors on the planet. At this point, I predict #1. But that says nothing about LENR in general.


5 posted on 06/19/2013 9:27:24 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

This article isn’t about Rossi.

Bill Gates had his IP stolen by hobbyists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists

The forces aligned against this technology make those hobbyists look like girl scouts.


6 posted on 06/19/2013 9:29:21 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Correct, it isn’t directly about Rossi. But it is about the tech Rossi alleges to have developed.


7 posted on 06/19/2013 9:42:36 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kevmo
Mr. Fusion is a WAY more viable technology than the Hydrobetatron.


8 posted on 06/19/2013 10:01:24 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: piytar

But it is about the tech Rossi alleges to have developed.
***Is that so? How do you figure? LENR was around before Rossi showed up.


9 posted on 06/19/2013 10:10:03 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

This is great, let the crowd sourcing research go on!!

We shall soon find out if this is a fraud or not.


10 posted on 06/19/2013 10:22:33 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kevmo

True that. But he alleges to have developed the first commercially viable large scale implementation. Tired of this convo. If you don’t understand the impact Rossi has had on this tech and its credibility in many circles, mostly bad but some good in terms of exposure, there is no point to it.


11 posted on 06/19/2013 10:40:27 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

True that.
***Then your entire point is rendered moot by your own admission.

But he alleges to have developed the first commercially viable large scale implementation.
***Then take it up on a Rossi thread.

Tired of this convo.
***Again. This thread is not about Rossi.

If you don’t understand the impact Rossi has had on this tech and its credibility in many circles, mostly bad but some good in terms of exposure, there is no point to it.
***Then, again: your own point is rendered moot. Before Rossi, 90% of the LENR research was in Palladium/Deuterium, now most of it is in Nickel/Hydrogen. It would appear that you don’t understand that impact.


12 posted on 06/19/2013 11:09:26 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Four words............... “Rube Goldberg”.. “Perpetual Motion”..
There just may MORE than one sucker born every minute..

There really is no FREE LUNCH.. unless you find a sucker..


13 posted on 06/20/2013 12:23:25 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Kevmo
Um, this one statement makes my point:

Then, again: your own point is rendered moot. Before Rossi, 90% of the LENR research was in Palladium/Deuterium, now most of it is in Nickel/Hydrogen. It would appear that you don’t understand that impact.

Seriously, an article about open source research re: LENR involving Nickel/Hydrogen has nothing to do with Rossi when, as you stated, "Before Rossi, 90% of the LENR research was in Palladium/Deuterium, now most of it is in Nickel/Hydrogen"?! Believe it or not, we're on the same side. For some reason, though, you got upset when I brought up Rossi's (good? bad? dunno) influence on this research. I think you must have misinterpreted something I said.

14 posted on 06/20/2013 12:30:37 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Kevmo
the salvation of the planet Earth

A lofty goal!

15 posted on 06/20/2013 2:15:40 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: piytar
"But it is about the tech Rossi alleges to have developed.

Actually not. This technique, although LENR related, has pretty much nothing in common with Rossi's devices.

16 posted on 06/20/2013 6:31:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: piytar
"For some reason, though, you got upset when I brought up Rossi's (good? bad? dunno) influence on this research. I think you must have misinterpreted something I said."

Do you think it just might be because he sees through your blatant effort to highjack the thread into being "all about Rossi" instead of the technique posted??

17 posted on 06/20/2013 6:33:57 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: hosepipe

Technically, Rube Goldberg machines DO (or at least CAN) work, so they don’t apply here...


18 posted on 06/20/2013 6:38:01 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: hosepipe
"Four words............... “Rube Goldberg”.. “Perpetual Motion”.."

None of which apply to LENR. Well, maybe the Rube Goldberg, in the sense that any lab research rig eventually ends up looking like an RG setup.

"There just may MORE than one sucker born every minute..here really is no FREE LUNCH.. unless you find a sucker.."

Again, doesn't apply to LENR. "Maybe" applies to Rossi, but certainly not to the other researchers in the field of LENR. THE single proven instance of fraud in LENR research (fraud by Rossi is suspected, not proved) was perpetrated by an unknown party in the MIT physics department who CHANGED THE REPORTED DATA of their "CF Debunking experiment" to show no excess heat, when in fact the full data set "does" show excess heat.

19 posted on 06/20/2013 6:41:16 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: hosepipe

Please,then, by all means explain how this effect has been replicated 14,700 times.


20 posted on 06/20/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: piytar

If you keep turning yourself around in rhetorical circles like that, you’ll go blind.


21 posted on 06/20/2013 9:19:48 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Then your contention is that LENR does not work... so please explain the 14,700 times it has been replicated. So far, not once on these threads, have you contributed to the scientific discussion. It’s been nothing but sneering.


22 posted on 06/20/2013 9:22:10 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Technically, Rube Goldberg machines DO (or at least CAN) work, so they don’t apply here...


I really have nothing against Rube Goldberg’s..
They mostly make noise, twirl around and are sometimes shiney..
I like all those things...

LENR seems to be like a teenager..
You put fuel in one end and you get flawed logic out the other end.. and defecation..


23 posted on 06/20/2013 11:53:45 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Anti-science pathological skeptics seem to be like a teenager..
You put fuel in one end and you get flawed logic out the other end.. and defecation.

For instance, they deliver crickets when the 14,700 replications are brought up. Or, they nitpick about the chinglish in the report, or act as if scientists from the CAS don’t know how to count.


24 posted on 06/20/2013 12:06:46 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: hosepipe

lol - just so!!


25 posted on 06/20/2013 12:07:34 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

All you ever do on these LENR threads is sneer. Not one scientific contribution. And yet, you seem to think it’s so LOL funny.


26 posted on 06/20/2013 12:13:55 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Ping; All; y'all; et al

Crickets, as expected. And downthread, yet another sneer.

A pro-science FReeper would answer the contention.


27 posted on 06/20/2013 12:16:07 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

For instance, they deliver crickets when the 14,700 replications are brought up. Or, they nitpick about the chinglish in the report, or act as if scientists from the CAS don’t know how to count.


You protest too much.................


28 posted on 06/21/2013 12:00:41 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

And yet, you don’t address any of the scientific points.

But thanks for the Shakespearean quote.

Methink’st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.
William Shakespeare
All’s Well That Ends Well, 2. 3


29 posted on 06/21/2013 12:10:42 AM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Seems.... It is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.


30 posted on 06/21/2013 9:15:04 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

That quote was about life. I take it you’re talking about your own life by misusing the quote.

Rogue, thou hast liv’d too long.
William Shakespeare
Anthony and Cleopatra, 2. 5


31 posted on 06/21/2013 2:34:53 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

true


32 posted on 06/22/2013 4:05:00 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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