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What Does #Justice4Trayvon Look Like? (Hurl warning)
The Nation ^ | July 10, 2013 | Mychal Denzel Smith

Posted on 07/10/2013 8:45:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The murder trial of George Zimmerman for the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin is nearing its end, with the defense expected to rest its case today. It’s time to prepare for what happens if Zimmerman is acquitted.

I believe strongly in his guilt, but I’ve also watched the trial closely, and between the second-degree murder charge, where the prosecution must prove ill will or malice, and Zimmerman’s crafty defense, it is entirely plausible that he’ll walk. The special prosecutor assigned to this case, Angela Corey, originally charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder denying that it was because of “public pressure,” but because of “special evidence” that supported the charge. Legal analyst Dan Abrams, writing for ABC News, said:

I certainly sympathize with the anger and frustration of the Martin family and doubt that a jury will accept the entirety of George Zimmerman’s account as credible. But based on the legal standard and evidence presented by prosecutors it is difficult to see how jurors find proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn’t self defense. Prosecutors are at a distinct legal disadvantage. They have the burden to prove that Zimmerman did not “reasonably believe” that the gunshot was “necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to himself. That is no easy feat based on the evidence presented in their case. Almost every prosecution witness was called to discredit the only eyewitness who unquestionably saw everything that occurred that night, George Zimmerman.

It’s heartbreaking to think that Zimmerman killed Trayvon and may never face punishment, but it’s possible. And for those of us deeply affected by Trayvon’s death, we have to think carefully about what comes next.

Because even a guilty verdict is only a consolation. It would send a one-time message that a black child’s life had value, but it would hardly shift the tide from the constant dehumanization. We would still be up against the same system—no only our criminal justice system but a larger cultural sytem—in which it was prudent to test Trayvon for drugs but not Zimmerman, that would ask a grieving mother if her son did anything to cause his own death, and that didn’t see fit to make an arrest for nearly a month and a half.

This requires us to wrestle with this question: What does justice for Trayvon look like?

Because if you’re like me, you don’t see prison as the answer. The prospect of Zimmerman sitting behind bars for twenty-five years doesn’t invoke a sense of justice. That just means they’ll be another person languishing in our broken prison system. Our carceral state doesn’t work, and relying on it to bring justice for any of us is a fool’s errand. We need a new outlook.

Justice needs to be more proactive. It should consist of an entire society doing everything it can to ensure that what happened to Trayvon never happens again. This includes a commitment to seeing the humanity in black men and boys, and letting go of the entrenched idea of their inherent criminality. It means divesting from the racist ideology that would have us believe black men are preternaturally violent creatures seeking to wreak havoc on America. Justice is black boys not having to grow up with that hanging over their heads. Justice is support for their potential. Real justice is this country truly believing that the killing of black boys is a tragedy.

When Trayvon’s father was on the witness stand, it was clear, more than a year later, he was still trying to process his son’s death. Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda was asking him about the 911 call where you can hear the gunshot that killed Trayvon. He started his question: “You realized that that was the shot…” and before he could finish, Tracy Martin chimed in, “That killed my son, yes.”

Justice is making sure no parent ever has to say those words again.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: racialism; trayvon; trayvonstroops; zimmerman

The author's tagline there is: All the blackness that's fit to print. And some that isn't.

1 posted on 07/10/2013 8:45:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

#Justice4Trayvon = bullet holes in the hoodie as St. Trayvon leaned over his victim


2 posted on 07/10/2013 8:49:37 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He has that single digit I.Q. look.


3 posted on 07/10/2013 8:49:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trayvon Martin has already had his justice dispensed. This teenage thug decided to put a beat down on this “creepy-ass cracker” and the creepy-ass cracker fought back.

Tough luck for Trayvon that his victim had a CC permit and was using it.

When putting a beat down on somebody, it’s always a good idea to discover whether or not your victim is armed FIRST, not in the middle of the beat down. As Trayvon Martin learned the hard way.

Justice is a bitch.


4 posted on 07/10/2013 8:54:27 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I sure am glad that Mark O’Mara preserved the memory of Trayvon Martin for these lowlifes to rally around.

We wouldn;t want them to get the impression that he was a thug gangbanga who got what was comin to him.


5 posted on 07/10/2013 8:57:18 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: FlingWingFlyer

What he writes is hooey but he is not without a modicum of talent.


6 posted on 07/10/2013 8:58:46 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

17 comments at the Nation again show slim pickings, I didn’t read the Infowars articles but it looked like their articles on this were getting a ton of remarks, same at Breitbart. Just an observation. As I said in the other thread, MSNBC’s African American media site, “The Grio” had articles that are not getting much comment either.


7 posted on 07/10/2013 8:59:29 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This line hit me...” letting go of the entrenched idea of their inherent criminality.”

Then knock it off. Stop all the black on white hate crimes that the USJD doesn’t prosecute. Stop the wilding and mob violence.


8 posted on 07/10/2013 9:00:06 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Justice for Trayvon = double tap


9 posted on 07/10/2013 9:02:10 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And for those of us deeply affected by Trayvon’s death”

Is this man related to Trayvon Martin in ANY way?

No?

I didn’t think so. Is this opportunist ‘deeply affected’ every time some youth gets blown away on the streets of Chicago, which today feature more violence than most coups in Central Africa? Was he ‘deeply affected’ when he heard about this nutjob doctor in Killadelphia who had liquidated HUNDREDS of black children, many of which were probably outside the womb?
I am so sick of these race-hustling opportunists. Just look at this dork. He figures he’ll be a more intellectual Al Sharpton, and you can tell from his lack of any reason for his mental conviction of Zimmerman that he either has delusions of black oppression or is just lying to stir up trouble.

Has this man ever driven his SUV to Detroit to help out the black children who live in Third World-esque squalor? I doubt it. Pencil-pushing journalistic weasel with zero integrity.

Congrats. You COULD be the next not-so-Sharpton.


10 posted on 07/10/2013 9:03:04 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
for those of us deeply affected by Trayvon’s death

I might believe that if you were a personal friend or relative.

11 posted on 07/10/2013 9:03:53 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

aka, America is still bad and society needs to pay!


12 posted on 07/10/2013 9:05:34 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It’s heartbreaking to think that Zimmerman killed Trayvon and may never face punishment, but it’s possible. And for those of us deeply affected by Trayvon’s death, we have to think carefully about what comes next.

Like where to riot and redistribute those big screen TV's.

13 posted on 07/10/2013 9:09:02 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Nation. You can always count on it for lachrymose lefty BS.


14 posted on 07/10/2013 9:12:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: TheRhinelander
Or this one: "Real justice is this country truly believing that the killing of black boys is a tragedy."

I believe it's a tragedy, but since 99% of "black boys" are killed by other black people, I find it hard to blame it on whitey.

15 posted on 07/10/2013 9:16:30 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: oblomov

As long as the black community continue to act like or be actual thugs, the rest if society will continue to treat them like they are much more likley to be attacked by them.

I was in a large group of white, Chinese and and Hispanic people over the 4th. A group of 4-6 black thug wannabes entered the area. Suddenly EVERYONE was paying close attention to them.


16 posted on 07/10/2013 9:18:34 PM PDT by matt04
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He started his question: “You realized that that was the shot…” and before he could finish, Tracy Martin chimed in, “That killed my son, yes.”

Justice is making sure no parent ever has to say those words again.

Then "justice" ain't gonna happen. Or maybe we should outlaw parents.

17 posted on 07/10/2013 9:21:46 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have to give this guy credit - this is the biggest pantload I’ve read about this Trayvon situation, and that’s really saying something. He’s got a real flair for pantloading!

The author seems sincere about wanting to reduce the murder rate of “black boys”. If so, maybe he should talk to the leading perpetrators of black boy killing: Other Black Boys.


18 posted on 07/10/2013 9:24:12 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because even a guilty verdict is only a consolation. It would send a one-time message that a black child’s life had value, but it would hardly shift the tide from the constant dehumanization.

Could you people (that's right, I said it!!!) be any more histrionic?

19 posted on 07/10/2013 9:24:49 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And for those of us deeply affected by Trayvon’s death”

Deeply affected, how?

“It would send a one-time message that a black child’s life had value”

Child?

Seriously?


20 posted on 07/10/2013 9:34:13 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: TheRhinelander

“Stop all the black on white hate crimes that the USJD doesn’t prosecute. Stop the wilding and mob violence.”

Reparations, v.2.


21 posted on 07/10/2013 9:36:10 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: bigbob

” maybe he should talk to the leading perpetrators of black boy killing: Other Black Boys.”

That’s racist.

And profiling.

:-P


22 posted on 07/10/2013 9:37:25 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not one fact; nothing but identity justice.


23 posted on 07/10/2013 9:43:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and letting go of the entrenched idea of their inherent criminality. It means divesting from the racist ideology that would have us believe black men are preternaturally violent creatures seeking to wreak havoc on America.

Sadly, until the last few years, I scoffed at this idea. But actual events have moved me to the point where I tell my daughter to avoid crowds of young black people. Every day we see evidence that black males and females are just looking to commit violence against random white people.

24 posted on 07/10/2013 10:36:18 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AZLiberty

Yes — millions are killed by black mothers, and hundreds are killed in our cities by other black youth who have grown up in a culture that tells them life is meaningless.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 10:39:57 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“That is no easy feat based on the evidence presented in their case. “

Especially when what you set out to “prove” isn’t true in the first place.

As for testing Martin for drugs and not Zimmerman, they tested the corpse in an autospsy. They could have tested Zimmerman any time afterward. The prosecution could have easily demanded hair follicle testing if it was relevant. Apparently they did not see that as helping their case. Trying to suppress the drug evidence was a much better strategy than testing Zimmerman.

If these folks really cared about black youth like Martin, they need to quit embracing a death culture that makes everything about race; glorifies gangs, violence, and sadism; promotes fatherlessness; encourages a “society owes me” philosophy; and discourages pursuing happiness by building healthy relationships, working hard and smart, and taking personal responsibility for our behavior.


26 posted on 07/10/2013 10:57:12 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“... It means divesting from the racist ideology that would have us believe black men are preternaturally violent creatures seeking to wreak havoc on America.”

Oh, uh huh.

Yeah, he should walk down the Southside of Chicago this Saturday evening dressed like that.


27 posted on 07/10/2013 11:41:42 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What an idiot.


28 posted on 07/11/2013 1:09:41 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Justice needs to be more proactive. It should consist of an entire society doing everything it can to ensure that what happened to Trayvon never happens again. This includes a commitment to seeing the humanity in black men and boys, and letting go of the entrenched idea of their inherent criminality. It means divesting from the racist ideology that would have us believe black men are preternaturally violent creatures seeking to wreak havoc on America. Justice is black boys not having to grow up with that hanging over their heads. Justice is support for their potential. Real justice is this country truly believing that the killing of black boys is a tragedy.

Only the black community can accomplish this by getting young black males to stop their violent lifestyles.

Blacks glorify the violent, racist, anti-intellectual, black-hating, misogynist, ghetto subculture in their poetry and music. This is nowhere more clearly evident in their deep commitment to the abort-all-black-babies, neo-Nazi policies of Planned Parenthood and the Democratic Party.

I struggle to get my mind around this: blacks complain about whites hating them, yet they vote over 90% for the Democrats who are the Party of pro to-Nazi Margaret Sanger. Blacks murder so many black babies that Hitler would have gagged. Yet, whites are the ones who hate blacks, right?

What a steaming pant-load. The problem is that blacks hate blacks. Such virulent, suicidal self-hate. It's sad but there it is.

My sympathies to the author, but the problem isn't the beliefs of whites about blacks. The problem is the behavior of blacks caused by their diseased self-hatred.

The long and the short of it is this: you can't respect somebody who doesn't respect himself. You just can't. It's humanly not possible.

It's not my fault if I have no respect for you if you don't respect yourself. You want my respect? Great. Start acting respectably. It's just that simple.

Example: millions of young black men walk around with their pants pulled down. I'm supposed to respect them? Sorry. No can do.

Example: millions of young black men and women refuse to learn to speak standard English. Think Rachel Jeantel. An employer is supposed to hire them? Nope. Ain't gonna happen.

Example: millions of blacks give their children (the relatively few they don't sacrifice to Moloch in the name of Planned Parenthood and the Democratic Party) names that are clearly meant to taunt the larger society. That larger society is supposed to embrace them? I don't think so.

Young black male culture glorifies violence and ignorance and vilifies success and education. And then you complain about violence and failure? Makes no sense.

It's time the larger American society called folks like this author out on this nonsense.

Sorry, Charlie. I can't respect your community if those are the choices it collectively makes. No sympathy from me.

Get over it. Start respecting yourself as a human being. Then talk to me. Maybe we can do business.

Until then (and I'm not holding my breath) I'm walking on the other side of the street.

29 posted on 07/11/2013 2:47:07 AM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Figures...another Black Ku Klux Klan Racist trying to justify his Justice for Trayvon support


30 posted on 07/11/2013 2:58:14 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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31 posted on 07/11/2013 3:09:20 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Excellent advice. They have nothing positive to offer your daughter.


32 posted on 07/11/2013 3:35:27 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let me see: a neighborhood-watch volunteer named George Zimmerman, part Hispanic/White European/African, sees a suspicious character walking through his area looking at houses. He notifies the police and then proceeds to trail the suspect for a distance. He then returns to his truck only to find the suspect, Martin, had followed him back to his truck and angrily demanded to know why he, Zimmerman, was trailing him. Martin then assaults Zimmerman, knocks him down, straddles his body, and begins to strike Zimmerman forcibly in the face breaking his nose and banging his head against the concrete. In the melee, at some point Zimmerman pulls out a handgun and fires striking Martin and killing him.

That is about as much as we know about this case. And based on the only evidence available, Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

33 posted on 07/11/2013 6:56:21 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

You know what you call a black man who believes in truth, justice and the American way?

A Conservative.


34 posted on 07/12/2013 4:18:35 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Prosecutors are at a distinct legal disadvantage. They have the burden to prove that Zimmerman did not “reasonably believe” that the gunshot was “necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to himself.

The thing about Dan Abrams' comment above, which has apparently cascaded down to this fellow, is that the above is HOW THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

In order for the prosecution, which has the burden of proving guilt of a defendant presumed to be guilty, to fulfill it's proper role means that it MUST be at a disadvantage.

I'd ask why these people just don't get it, but doing so would be merely rhetorical.
35 posted on 07/12/2013 4:51:54 PM PDT by tanknetter
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