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Trayvon, Zimmerman and Florida's insane gun laws (Someone didn't watch the trial)
The York Daily Record ^ | July 16, 2013 | Tammerlin Drummond

Posted on 07/16/2013 4:25:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Let's set aside the issue of race for just a moment in the Trayvon Martin case. Strip away the hyperbole on the left and the right and cut to the facts.

Here is what the not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial tells us.

In the state of Florida, a grown man can stalk a teenage boy whom he thinks "is up to no good" in his gated community. He can disobey a police dispatcher who tells him he doesn't need to follow the 17-year-old. When the teen, who happens to be visiting the man's neighbor, gets upset that some stranger is following him and the two wind up in a brawl, the man can pull out a concealed gun and shoot him dead. Then he can claim self-defense even though he was the one who provoked the confrontation. Walk away scot free with the law on his side.

On Saturday, a jury of six women found Zimmerman not guilty of second-degree murder. A number of legal experts — among them civil rights attorney John Burris — have said the prosecution failed to make its case.

A legal finding of not guilty, however, does not absolve Zimmerman of the fact that he took the life of a teen who was simply returning from the store with a box of Skittles — a teen who would be alive today if the neighborhood watch member and wannabe-cop had not initiated a confrontation, then escalated it by pulling a gun.

The tragic circumstances of Martin's killing just three weeks after his 17th birthday are deserving of the national protests since the verdict was handed down.

More than 350,000 people have signed a petition by the NAACP calling on the Justice Department to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman. They believe that Zimmerman, who is half-white and half-Peruvian, singled out Martin and ultimately killed him for no other reason than that he was African-American and wearing a hoodie.

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder called Martin's killing "tragic and unnecessary" and said the department was investigating to determine whether to file federal charges. But I think that, rather than racial profiling, the main focus ought to be on the insanity of Florida's gun laws.

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law allows people to defend themselves with force, including deadly force, if they feel threatened in their home, business, car, or a place where they "have a legal right to be" — rather than retreat if they fear for their lives. The police in Sanford waited 44 days to arrest Zimmerman, in part, because of the right to use force under "Stand Your Ground," although his lawyers did not use that defense in the trial.

At least 21 states have versions of the same law, which are an open invitation to vigilantism. The Florida law is so broad it can be interpreted to allow people to use lethal force anytime if they believe their lives are in danger.

Nine months after Martin was killed, Jordan Davis, another 17-year-old African-American was gunned down in a gas station parking lot in Jacksonville, Fla. Michael Dunn, 45, who is white, is accused of shooting into a parked car where Davis was sitting because he and his friends wouldn't turn down their music.

He has been charged with second-degree murder and goes to trial in September. He is using the "Stand Your Ground" law in his defense. Dunn claimed that he thought Davis and his friends had a gun but none was found in the car.

Dunn, at least, was arrested, unlike Zimmerman, who wasn't charged until the case generated national outrage, but his arrest isn't going to bring Davis back.

How many more Martins and Davises must there be?


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackrage; trayvon; zimmerman

1 posted on 07/16/2013 4:25:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well then she doesn’t need to come to our beaches.


2 posted on 07/16/2013 4:27:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes its so obviously true, I mean how dare Zimmerman defend himself, how dare he just not sit there and take the beating, after all, he’s a white hispanic, he deserved it, for slavery and stuff


3 posted on 07/16/2013 4:29:39 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lou Dobbs is doing a segment on FOX Business right now about this. About folks spouting off about the case who don’t know what it was about just like this twit Drummond.

He calls it “Parade of Fools”.


4 posted on 07/16/2013 4:31:46 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just another Angry Black Woman...

Has anyone else noticed the rising drumbeat against SYG?


5 posted on 07/16/2013 4:31:54 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Old Sarge

It’s the talking points straight from the executive mansion.


6 posted on 07/16/2013 4:33:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These people are PRO-ASSAULT and should be reffered to as such.


7 posted on 07/16/2013 4:33:04 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the state of Florida, a grown man can stalk a teenage boy whom he thinks "is up to no good" in his gated community. He can disobey a police dispatcher who tells him he doesn't need to follow the 17-year-old. When the teen, who happens to be visiting the man's neighbor, gets upset that some stranger is following him and the two wind up in a brawl, the man can pull out a concealed gun and shoot him dead.

Wait, I thought she said, "strip away the hyperbole and stick to the facts"?

8 posted on 07/16/2013 4:34:21 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The whole idea here is that suspecting a black person of being a criminal is crimethink, the remedy for which is a severe beating (to death, if necessary) administered by that black person on the spot.


9 posted on 07/16/2013 4:36:40 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Old Sarge

Trayvon was not a “kid” coming home with skittles and other stuff. He was over 6ft tall, taller than George by the way, he was into drugs. Someone called a radio station saying skittles and the other things in Trayvon’s pockets can be used to make drugs if he wanted to. **I did not know that, but am repeating what the caller said.

I looked Trayvon up on the internet saw a picture of him that looks nothing like the “kid” with the hoodie.


10 posted on 07/16/2013 4:37:22 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: Zhang Fei

I don’t know about the Yuppies, LBGT/Q and Metrosexuals in the leftist enclaves, but I have a feeling there are tens-of-millions of folks out there who might not go along with that plan.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 4:39:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I thought Tammerlin was the Chechen brother killed in the Boston bombing brouhaha?

And now he writes beautiful prose and looks like Qaddafi?

Wake me from my nightmare!

12 posted on 07/16/2013 4:40:25 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Burlem

Purple drank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank


13 posted on 07/16/2013 4:40:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Strip away the hyperbole and there is no article left. This is the largest collection of claptrap I’ve read on this situation, and that is saying a lot.


14 posted on 07/16/2013 4:40:58 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Repeat Offender; GenXteacher; Nervous Tick; BlatherNaut; ColdOne; Marcella
Welcome to the first official Black Rage ping.


15 posted on 07/16/2013 4:42:12 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Within the first two paragraphs, Tammerlin Drummond exhibits her utter ignorance of the Martin-Zimmerman case.

Factually refuting her assertions would needlessly waste bandwidth, as everybody on this forum is well aware of the actual facts of this case, as opposed to the race-baiting false presumptions which this silly plantation-dweller is spouting.

When someone is writing from such a warped perspective viz-a-viz reality, is it any surprise that their commentary becomes totally meaningless and is devoid of any cogent analysis?

All in all, just some more clumsy propaganda for the low-information crowd.

16 posted on 07/16/2013 4:42:37 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What is the whitest country to which someone can immigrate?

New Zealand anyone?

17 posted on 07/16/2013 4:43:10 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

New Zealand is further left than Britain or Canada. I’m headed to the Philippines or Singapore.


18 posted on 07/16/2013 4:46:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: driftdiver

Does this mean that liberal black Florida residents will be protesting by moving OUT of Florida, too? Inquiring minds wonder these things...


19 posted on 07/16/2013 4:47:33 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: Burlem

The caller was correct. Look up purple lean or purple drank.

Martin’s Facebook page had extensive discussion about the recipe, before it was deleted.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 4:52:52 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: smoothsailing

Parade of Fools is probably about right.


21 posted on 07/16/2013 4:53:50 PM PDT by Catsrus (`)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our laws in Florida are for us. We don’t need New York Bloomberg SUK-UPS to give us their advice. Clean up your own back yard then work on Chicago and Detroit, the garden cities of the No’th.
Now I feel better.


22 posted on 07/16/2013 4:57:21 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: Burlem

Ah yes, the fixings for Purple Drank, aka Lean.

Ain’t it great what kids these days are into?


23 posted on 07/16/2013 5:01:31 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

where is this fool living?


24 posted on 07/16/2013 5:02:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: driftdiver

I wish the NAACP and other fringe extreme left wing groups do a boycott of our state and leave us alone


25 posted on 07/16/2013 5:02:59 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: central_va

Russia or Poland


26 posted on 07/16/2013 5:04:12 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: JustTheTruth

not just them but all the kooks and race baiters please.


27 posted on 07/16/2013 5:04:35 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Me and Putin are seeing eye to eye on a lot of things lately....


28 posted on 07/16/2013 5:05:17 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: GOYAKLA

FL for FL and not for those liberal race bating yankees or liberal kooks


29 posted on 07/16/2013 5:05:23 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: central_va

me too unless the yankee liberal race baiting homosexual turds get out of here and never come back


30 posted on 07/16/2013 5:06:45 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In the state of Florida, a grown man can stalk a teenage boy whom he thinks "is up to no good" in his gated community. He can disobey a police dispatcher who tells him he doesn't need to follow the 17-year-old. When the teen, who happens to be visiting the man's neighbor, gets upset that some stranger is following him and the two wind up in a brawl, the man can pull out a concealed gun and shoot him dead. Then he can claim self-defense even though he was the one who provoked the confrontation. Walk away scot free with the law on his side.

Ummmmm . . . . . . . . Tammerlin? In your second sentence, you said "Strip away the hyperbole from left and right and look at the facts". And then, you proceed to write this incredibly biased, incorrect, hyperbole-laced "description".

Tell me, Tammerlin, who do you see when you look in the mirror? Someone who looks like you? Or Tyra Banks?

That's what I thought.

31 posted on 07/16/2013 5:08:26 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

By the way, I am white with a grand mother who is half black. Does that make me a White-black? (/Sarc off)


32 posted on 07/16/2013 5:19:29 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tammerlin Drummond looks to be a white-black just like her hero Obamo, who wants to bring civil rights charges against the white-hispanic George Zimmerman, who is married to another white-hispanic. George Zimmerman’s defense team was comprised of two white-whites and one black-black. It’s all so confusing.


33 posted on 07/16/2013 5:21:33 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: driftdiver

Being OF COLOR. What’s your take on what the OJ trail told us.


34 posted on 07/16/2013 5:22:06 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I am so tired of hearing how he disobeyed the radio dispatcher and followed TM. According to his statements to police, the dispatcher did not tell him not to follow TM but that they didn’t need him to do that. When they said that, he discontinued following him and went back to his car. He was only trying to answer the dispatcher when he asked him where TM was going?

When he got out of his car a second time, it was to find a street sign to answer the question of his location and it was at that point that TM ambushed him.

Trayvon Martin, according to the testimony of Rachel Jeantel, had arrived at his father’s front door but didn’t go inside. There was a 4 minute gap from that time to the time he ambushed GZ. What was he doing during that time? He didn’t need to be there and confront a strange man, who we now know was assumed to be a male sexual predator by his friend, Rachel J.


35 posted on 07/16/2013 5:23:24 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: spawn44

Well yes white is a color.

OJ Trial? We already knew that money buys good lawyers. We did learn that many blacks care more about skin color than justice. Perhaps us whites are the same but I dont think so.


36 posted on 07/16/2013 5:25:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: JudgemAll

Depends, if you are a liberal it makes you black. If you are conservative then you are white.


37 posted on 07/16/2013 5:25:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone can disobey a police dispatcher. They are not law enforcement officers, just office staff. Their “commands” have even less force than a mom reminding a child to brush their teeth.


38 posted on 07/16/2013 5:26:48 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JudgemAll

Your grandmother was a mulatto. If her husband was white, her child — your parent — (be it your mother or father) would be a quadroon. Thus, you’d be — if your other parent were white — an octoroon.


39 posted on 07/16/2013 5:36:48 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

My favorite mix is macaroon


40 posted on 07/16/2013 5:41:34 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never let facts get in the way of a great exploitable narrative.


41 posted on 07/16/2013 6:08:21 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: The Toll
These people are PRO-ASSAULT and should be reffered to as such.
Aptly put. Trayvon crossed a line when he assaulted George Zimmerman, and he stayed on the other side of it while George Zimmerman (and no one else) screamed for help while Martin continued to batter him.
But the climax of the tragedy began when John Good demanded that “they” - Zimmerman could do nothing to comply - “stop it.” "Poor little Trayvon" showed no signs of listening to an adult, and Good made a blunder. He was first on the scene, but he acted on the assumption that the Police were the “first responders.” So Good left the scene, and the battered George Zimmerman, having endured for what seemed like an eternity was left to survive in the jungle as best he might - for how much longer he could not know.

John Good was the only neighbor who ventured to approach the scene, and John Good went by the book, as far as any liberal would be concerned. But the result of his passive response was that he failed to succor George Zimmerman - and in the process, failed to save the life of Trayvon Martin. For whatever happened in George Zimmerman’s mind after that - and for that we can only have George Zimmerman’s unverifiable and self-interested word - George Zimmerman became willing, and able, to draw and fire his gun. And did. Once.


42 posted on 07/16/2013 6:21:36 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: murron
Trayvon Martin, according to the testimony of Rachel Jeantel, had arrived at his father’s front door but didn’t go inside. There was a 4 minute gap from that time to the time he ambushed GZ. What was he doing during that time?

Stashing the drugs he just bought from his buddy outside the 7-11 (remember the suspicious meeting caught on their camera?), before going off looking for a fight. His father later flushed the drugs before the cops got there, I'm betting


43 posted on 07/16/2013 6:32:53 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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