Posted on 07/21/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin
In both Jay's Letter to Washington, and in the Federalist Papers, the intent is plainly stated to guard against Foreign influence in the executive branch of government.
But it does serve the purpose. It assures attachment to our country, and it protects us absolutely from some English nobleman over in London deciding to come over here and buy his way into the Presidency.
And that was the entire purpose.
It was never to exclude the native American son, born in Pittsburg of German immigrant parents, from growing up in the United States, rising through the ranks, and becoming President.
As most of us heard all of our lives: "Any kid born in America can grow up to become President."
That is part of the wonder of what America is.
Why? He's an American citizen. Nobody disputes that. Why did they have to go out of their way to try and give him a something he already "presumably" has? (We know why they ignored Obama). But why McCain? Why?
BTW, I don't ping you when I describe you in other posts because you do not deserve any respect whatsoever.
Another of the blue flies drawn to the aroma of an Alinskyesque poster at FR. making a name for yourself, rude one.
You do understand that the founders who became president were constitutionally grandfathered in, right? No one alive today though is quite old enough to be under that clause.
Jeff makes up what he wants to believe as he goes along. He's been told a hundred times that the founders were grandfathered in, but he prefers to believe the IDIOT theory put out by Dr. Conspiracy. (Democrat Kook, Nut burger.)
Jeff believes that all the founders WERE "natural born citizens" of the United States of America. That the nation didn't exist when they were born is simply not a problem for Lunatic whack jobs like Jeff and Dr. Conspiracy.
So in their twisted little Bizzaro world, George Washington is BOTH a "natural born subject" of King George III, (shown below)
and he is ALSO a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America. That Grandfather clause in Article II? That was just put there as a favor to Alexander Hamilton and other foreign born friends of the founders.
Yes, they really are THAT stupid.
“It was doubtless introduced (for it has now become by lapse of time merely nominal, and will soon become wholly extinct) out of respect to those distinguished revolutionary patriots, who were born in a foreign land, and yet had entitled themselves to high honours in their adopted country….” United States Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution (1833)
yet it continues:
A positive exclusion of them from the office would have been unjust to their merits, and painful to their sensibilities. But the general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman. It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elective monarchies of Europe. Germany, Poland, and even the pontificate of Rome, are sad, but instructive examples of the enduring mischiefs arising from this source.
Link (which wasn't provided), is here
When you post an obviously and undeniably false claim, such as this obviously false accusation, it completely discredits everything else you might have to say.
For documentation that what I say is true, and not false as you allege, see post 321.
Didn’t follow the issue, and I don’t try to explain acts of Congress. I can surmise politics was involved. Was it a bill? A resolution? Who introduced it? Who sponsored it? Who voted for it?
At least Cruz's father became a citizen and loved the US. Anyone who says Cruz can't become president because of this issue has lost their mind and needs to go find it........
If there is a plus to the “psycho troll” it’s that he keeps this topic at the forefront.
The sheer number of his posts pushes these threads up to the top of the heap.
Tard that he is probably doesn’t realize it.
If my interpretation of their words is incorrect, then surely you should be able to convincingly point out why.
Ah, because David Ramsay says so. Because Samuel Roberts says so.
And most of all, because DiogenesLamp says so.
You HAVE to believe this nonsense, because if you accept the truth, it renders the rest of your crap theory unpalatable even for you.
Thank you. That’s twice that you have responded to the assertion that “you are not presenting a case” with a personal attack. Doesn’t bother me a whit. Menopause is natural.
More verbal fartage. Whew! It sure stinks in threads in which Jeff opines.
But but but, the oracle of Obama, Jeff Winston, asserts there are no refutations or negatives ever presented regarding his/her/its spam posts! And rudeboy reinforces that meme, so it must be an innocent confusion that Jeff would deceive FR readers, right?
I think I see why........
Because laws are sometimes complex and/ or misunderstood by the public, and therefore Congress sometimes passes a law to clarify what the law actually is.
It's exactly what our Senators and Representatives did when they passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and declared that black people born in the United States were US citizens.
The sponsors generally said that the law was simply a declaration of what they already understood the law to be. It just needed to be clarified, so that no one could deny it.
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