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George Zimmerman Couldn't Change the Conversation But Can 'The Newsroom'?
PolicyMic ^ | July 24, 2013 | Chloe Stillwell

Posted on 07/24/2013 1:11:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve had many infuriating conversations with my incredibly conservative, Republican stepdad. He’s laughed in my face for pointing out with facts the inadequacy of Mitt Romney during the 2012 election. We argued over the political reputation of Obama in 2008. We’ve also silently disagreed about immigration reform, birth control, gun control, and health care reform, because we both know how that conversation will end. Every time I turn on the television in his and my mother’s home it’s already on Fox News. Every time I get in his car the sexually frustrated, diabetic voice of Rush Limbaugh rattles the dash of the old pickup.

I’ve always just accepted his ignorance though. I stoke the fire every now and then out of boredom, curiosity, or just to give my mom an alternative opinion than the one of the man she lives with. But recently I hit a ceiling with LarBear (as I affectionately refer to my stepdad). Having grown up in Nashville, I never thought I would be reduced to tears out of sheer frustration after having a political conversation with a man raised in Philadelphia. But I was, and it was during a discussion of the Zimmerman verdict the day after it was announced.

This time I decided to come out of the gate swinging because I needed to take out my frustration with my country on someone close to me. In a rant that I’m sure my parent’s neighbors heard, I angrily listed all of the facts and then posed to them the question that I really did desperately need an answer to: How did this happen? I genuinely thought that LarBear might say something moderate about state’s rights and then pontificate on how my generation would have to save the future, and then I would be able to breathe a little easier knowing that it’s just Florida that needs to be sunk like the Titanic. Instead he gazed into his whiskey and refused to make eye contact.

“Do you not think it’s wrong?” I asked hoping he was just mulling over an eloquent way to communicate through our divide. “Well you know, you can’t make it about racial implications, Chloe.” I felt my face turn red. “You mean to say I can’t make it about race?” I asked starting to raise my voice, because nothing makes a racist more of a coward than using terms like “racial implications” when what they really mean is race, the color of someone’s skin. "Racial implications" are not a real thing — they’re an idea that makes racists feel better, an idea placing the emphasis on the thing that makes them uncomfortable rather than the fact that they are uncomfortable with it.

The rest of the exchange went as follows:

Larry: “Well there wasn’t enough evidence to determine if racial implications were involved."

Me: “That’s not even a real sentence. And Zimmerman’s crime and the trial is one giant racial implication. It doesn’t need evidence, it’s a matter of right and wrong.”

Larry: “It’s not politically correct to say racial implications played a part.”

Me: “It’s not politically correct to kill black children.”

I sat in my car crying because I was so mad at him and the situation in general. For as often as our political views don’t align, I’ve still always revered my stepdad as an intelligent man. But the argument we had went beyond anything intelligible. It was a feeling I had seen on television before in debates and on shows like Meet The Press, in which one addresses a conservative with facts and in return is met with complete nonsensical Fox News propaganda.

And that’s the problem with this country more than anything. There are no longer standards for productive discourse. Conservatives have been pushing forward legislation that is bigoted, racist, religious, and dangerous, and instead of having to articulately explain why it they want us to revert back to the 1700s, they start saying things that don’t make sense.

Which leads us to my ultimate, less important point: that HBO’s The Newsroom is a great show. It’s great for many reasons, one of which is that while you’re watching it you can pretend that there is actually some forum where Jeff Daniels holds corporations, legislators, and public figures responsible for their actions and statements. For me though, it was the first time I felt a unified notion of camaraderie with my fellow liberals, because even though it’s fiction, if this show has an audience then I’m not alone.

There’s a moment in season one where Sam Waterston is defending the show within the show to Jane Fonda, the head of the network. Fonda’s character is pissed that a show on her network is attacking the right wing nutjobs that fund the network and whom she has to directly do business with. She accuses the show of being biased to the left. Waterston’s character then has a brilliant response. He says that the show represents the center, because the center is neither left nor right, it is where the facts are.

This article was supposed to be more about The Newsroom and less about a conversation that I had, but that conversation I had is a prime example of why I think that The Newsroom is way more important than just a television show. Slowly the GOP is self-destructing, and with the potential for Texas’ next governor (or perhaps even the next president) to be a Democratic woman, it’s not far-fetched to say that the tides are changing. There will always be conservative fodder on TV for their followers to salivate over. But I can only hope that if such an ideal format for news exists in fiction, it won’t be long before broadcasting the actual news won’t be considered attacking the GOP — it will just be the news.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: racism; talkradio; trayvon; zimmerman
Daddy issues? And who knew that Rush is on the radio 24/7?
1 posted on 07/24/2013 1:11:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I’ve always just accepted his ignorance though.

This is liberal tolerance in action. They "accept" the ignorance of us conservative yahoos.

Having grown up in Nashville, I never thought I would be reduced to tears out of sheer frustration after having a political conversation with a man raised in Philadelphia.

LOL. One of those enlightened Southerners who see everyone around them as ignorant, racist, inbred yahoos and dream of the Northern urban areas like New York and Philadelphia of being beacons of tolerance. I hate to burst this girl's bubble, but Frank Rizzo is from Philadephia. (So are a lot of us here on FR too.)

2 posted on 07/24/2013 1:17:54 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"About me:
Chloe Stillwell: Writer, witch, whiskey drinker."


3 posted on 07/24/2013 1:18:13 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can’t she disagree with something Rush says without calling him sexually frustrated and diabetic?

This girl has major issues, in her view of the world, views of issues, and her view of those who are not as liberal as she is.

Her opiniont of her father in law is changed because she is so liberal, and she thinks conservative views are wrong? She won’t judge him on the content of his character, but on whether he watches Fox and listens to Rush? This is how she views the worthiness of people, by how liberal they are, or aren’t????? ..........................................

stunning........................................this


4 posted on 07/24/2013 1:20:23 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (race)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is nothing more irritating about leftists than their penchant for pretending that ideological differences are actually differences in knowledge. They aren’t. And ironically, the author’s position on George Zimmerman demonstrates this. The facts don’t dictate the author’s position on the Zimmerman trial. Emotion does. The facts dictate precisely the opposite of the author’s position, and they support the jury’s verdict.


5 posted on 07/24/2013 1:20:42 PM PDT by altsehastiin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> For me though, it was the first time I felt a unified notion of camaraderie with my fellow liberals, because even though it’s fiction, if this show has an audience then I’m not alone.

Heh. Since Duck Dynasty has a considerably bigger audience, maybe you’re more alone than you think.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 07/24/2013 1:20:55 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Typical liberal nitwit. One day she will wake up and realize that “Stepdad” was right. I really wish she would do that sooner than later because she is really making an ass out of herself.


7 posted on 07/24/2013 1:21:27 PM PDT by katwoman5779
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Mrs. 2ndDivisionVet attended Archbishop Ryan High School.


8 posted on 07/24/2013 1:22:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Remember:

a 17 year old burglar is a "child"

but

someone who is 17 weeks in the womb is most emphatically not a child.

This is the logic we're dealing with here.

9 posted on 07/24/2013 1:23:03 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Typical liberal. Says her stepdad is intelligent but no way in hell she’s going to listen to him.

Talks about facts. Then wants to convict Zimmerman on what’s right or wrong.

Walking contradictions.


10 posted on 07/24/2013 1:24:17 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: wideawake

Is a 17 year old Soldier, Airman, Marine or Sailor a child, I wonder? Because 17 year olds have been fighting and dying for this country since the beginning.


11 posted on 07/24/2013 1:24:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"even though it’s fiction, if this show has an audience then I’m not alone. "

Actually, if "The Newsroom" has an audience, it's fictional.

12 posted on 07/24/2013 1:28:28 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where’s the Barf Alert?


13 posted on 07/24/2013 1:29:24 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

It’s posted in Smoky Backroom and the headline should’ve warned you.


14 posted on 07/24/2013 1:30:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: katwoman5779

:: One day she will wake up and realize that “Stepdad” was right. ::

and on that morning she will reflect on the evening past where a lad, having imbibed of intoxicants (maybe Sizzurp) forced her into a dark place and, holding a knife to her throat, forced her to commit oral sodomy to satisfy his perception of “untouchable power” over “whitey”.


15 posted on 07/24/2013 1:33:53 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was this written by a high school freshman?


16 posted on 07/24/2013 1:35:38 PM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Larry: “Well there wasn’t enough evidence to determine if racial implications were involved.”

Me: “That’s not even a real sentence.”

It’s slightly awkward, but it appears to be a real sentence.


17 posted on 07/24/2013 1:36:49 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
The audience is roughly 2mm per episode.

Mad Men is about 2.5mm, so is Breaking Bad.

So in the lower range for "artsy" cable shows.

Compare this to basic cable's Rizzoli & Isles, for example, with about 5.5mm or NCIS with about 19mm.

18 posted on 07/24/2013 1:36:51 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: windsorknot

You think that’s bad?

Jurors gave no credence to what led up to fight

As a man who has followed the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case from the killing through the entire trial, I am utterly incensed by the acquittal of Zimmerman. Hindsight is 20/20, but looking back at the six-female jury - five Caucasians, one Latina; five of them mothers; and none younger than in their 30s - the prosecution should have insisted on at least one African-American. Race ended up the trigger as feared.

While it’s clear that the prosecution’s presentation was miles away from being even close to a conviction for second-degree murder, surely the facts were there to warrant at least a manslaughter conviction. It’s evident that the jurors only considered the events at the actual confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman. They gave no credence to what led up to that fight. Martin, after getting snacks, was merely returning to his father’s condominium in the same complex which Zimmerman so proudly proclaimed himself neighborhood watchman.

Apparently in Florida it is now legal for a “wanna-be cop” (an apt prosecutorial description) to profile his “suspect” (repeatedly used in his police interrogations); give chase by following Martin in his truck until a confrontation occurs (evidenced by the taped conversation between Martin and horrendous prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel, where Martin screams to Zimmerman, “Get off me!”); here, the tape ends.

The brawl ensues and Zimmerman, regardless of the “Stand Your Ground” law, kills an unarmed African-American man. This is vigilante justice reminiscent of Wild West days. Trayvon Martin was on trial, not George Zimmerman.

Bobby Bourbeau

Kihei

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/574780/Jurors-gave-no-credence-to-what-led-up-to-fight.html?nav=18


19 posted on 07/24/2013 1:37:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind each blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...instead of having to articulately explain why it they want us to revert back to the 1700s...

Translated: I have renounced the Judeo-Christian ethic upon which this country was built, as well as the rule of law as codified by the US Constitution, and I grow angry when confronted with values I have rejected.

20 posted on 07/24/2013 1:40:09 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It doesn’t need evidence

The left never needs evidence. In fact, they avoid it whenever possible because it generally refutes their positions on the issues.

I love how the writer of this piece seems to think he had a rock-solid, logical argument when all he had was liberal hysteria.

If I were his step dad, as soon as he said "it doesn't need evidence" I would have burst out laughing.

21 posted on 07/24/2013 1:41:56 PM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: altsehastiin
There is nothing more irritating about leftists than their penchant for pretending that ideological differences are actually differences in knowledge.

That's the prop to the foundation of their sick Utopian fantasies. Kick that out from under them and the whole rotten edifice collapses around them. Tears and rage ensue. They have nothing else. Nothing.

22 posted on 07/24/2013 1:42:33 PM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even if GZ was a racist, so what?

Racists have a right to live and defend themselves if attacked, just like everybody else.

TM wasn’t killed while harmlessly minding his own business; he was killed while deliberately trying to beat a man’s head in, a man that he had attacked first.

But most importantly of all. Even if GZ swung the first blow, and TM was only defending himself, the state of Florida ABSOLUTLEY FAILED TO PROVE IT NOT ONLY BEYOND A REASONBALE DOUBT, BUT WITHOUT EVEN A REASONABLE CASE THAT IT HAPPENED THAT WAY.

GZ deserved to walk, if only because the case against him was so incredibly weak.


23 posted on 07/24/2013 1:48:10 PM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ultimately the problem is she fails to listen to arguments presented and instead substitutes what she wishes the argument was.

With the Zimmerman verdict not a single person of any prominence said that it’s okay to hunt and kill black teens. Not one. The left insists on making the issue whether it’s okay to kill black teens when the issue is whether it’s legal to kill someone beating you to death. It was. That’s why Zimmerman is walking.

She’s going to keep on being an angry bitter racist person till she educates herself.


24 posted on 07/24/2013 1:56:52 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rather odd someone claims to have studied all the evidence then proceeds to show that they haven’t.

There was no evidence preceding the attack that indicates George did anything to provoke it. Evidence is based on... evidence. They don’t consider theories that have nothing to support them and evidence against them.


25 posted on 07/24/2013 2:03:16 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She has made a television show her reality. I think there is a psychological term for that.


26 posted on 07/24/2013 2:16:32 PM PDT by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: chesley

So true...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-zimmerman-prosecution-clarified.html


27 posted on 07/24/2013 2:21:22 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You cannot possibly imagine how compassionate and restrained I am with young Progressives. I always say “please, refill my water” or “we prefer a booth over a table” and we always leave a tip even if the service is marginal. Even though he or she may have a BA in Hispanic Gay Lesbian Transgender Studies and $90,000 in student loans and generally considered to be an abject failure, we are always happy to assist someone to overcome Progressive adversity and built a productive career with Denny’s, IHOP, etc.


28 posted on 07/24/2013 2:26:15 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Chloe would rather live in a world where we incarcerate people based on how it makes others feel, and not on notions of actual guilt or innocence.

-PJ

29 posted on 07/24/2013 2:43:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This seems like the pot calling the Corning Ware black.


30 posted on 07/24/2013 2:44:00 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

STOP THE PRESSES YOU CAN STOP HERE....HERE’S THE DEFINITIVE REPORTAGE ON

THE ZIMMERMAN CASE ...YOU HAVE HERE A VIDEO STARRING THE INESTIMABLE

BILL WHITTLE WHO’LL TREAT YOU TO THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERY LAST ASPECT OF

THIS TRAVESTY ON MR ZIMMERMAN....HE DOES A JOB HERE ONE WORTHY OF THE

GREAT ANN COULTER’S EXPOSITIONS OF THE TRUTH...TAKE A FASCINATING

WATCH. AFTERWARDS YOU’LL HAVE ALL THE AMMO YOU NEED TO DESTROY AN LIB’S

FAIRY TALE FANTASTIC SPIN ON THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. GEORGE

ZIMMERMAN....GOOD ON YA BILL!

http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/07/bill-whittle-afterburner-the-truth-about-trayvon


31 posted on 07/24/2013 2:50:50 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a pleasant daughter she is.


32 posted on 07/24/2013 2:55:45 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Me: “It’s not politically correct to kill black children.”

Maybe not, but blacks do it all the time, and nobody says squat.

33 posted on 07/24/2013 3:01:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Me: “It’s not politically correct to kill black children.”

She's right - unfortunately. It isn't politically correct to kill black children. Even when the black "child" is a bigger and stronger thief on drugs who has already inflicted serious bodily harm, has threatened to escalate to murder, and has the capability to carry out the threat within seconds by either using his superior strength to take the firearm or by using his superior strength to keep beating an innocent man's head against the concrete. Killing such a predator is completely legal and should be celebrated, but it's not politically correct.

34 posted on 07/24/2013 3:23:26 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: katwoman5779

“Typical liberal nitwit. One day she will wake up and realize that “Stepdad” was right. I really wish she would do that sooner than later because she is really making an ass out of herself.”

Highly unlikely that she will ever “wake up”, more than likely she’ll continue on the path she’s on blaming any problems she experiences on others, especially her step-dad.


35 posted on 07/24/2013 3:46:44 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These libs just list out the basic facts of a situation and see racism immediately, they accuse conservatives of not being nuanced.

Look who the simpletons are now.


36 posted on 07/24/2013 5:46:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How was the news about this case first presented? I'll bet most Americans were fed the news that a white man had seen a black child walking through his neighborhood, ran up to the kid, and shot the kid down in cold blood. That's somewhat the way I first heard it. Then more information started trickling out contradicting the story the lib media was trying to feed the country. Since I was already quite skeptical about these kinds of stories coming from lib media, I knew there had to more to the story than a cold-blooded killing by a racist white person. There was.

But obviously most libs couldn't get past the original false narrative. Chloe thinks she deals in facts, but she's not interested in facts. She's only interested in pushing forth her narrative about black kids constantly getting gunned down by racist white guys. I don't know what could convince her otherwise. Her step-dad sounds like he's been through a lot with her. I'd like to hear what he thinks about her.

37 posted on 07/24/2013 6:38:36 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Slowly the GOP is self-destructing, and with the potential for Texas’ next governor (or perhaps even the next president) to be a Democratic woman, it’s not far-fetched to say that the tides are changing.

*****

She’s behind the tides.

Texas has had two women governors, and the first was almost a century ago.


38 posted on 10/07/2013 7:41:16 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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