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The New Proof of the KGBs Hand in JFKs Assassination
PJ Media's Say No To Socialism ^ | November 20, 2013 | Ion Mihai Pacepa

Posted on 11/20/2013 7:46:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

It has been 50 years since President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, and most of the world still wrongly believes that the culprit was the CIA, or the FBI, or the mafia, or right-wing American businessmen. It has been also 50 years since the Kremlin started an intense, worldwide disinformation operation, codenamed “Dragon,” aimed at diverting attention away from the KGB’s connection with Lee Harvey Oswald. Not unrelated are the facts that Oswald was an American Marine who defected to Moscow, returned to the United States three years later with a Russian wife, killed President Kennedy, and was arrested before being able to carry out his plan to escape back to Moscow. In a letter dated July 1, 1963, Oswald asked the Soviet embassy in Washington, D.C., to grant his wife an immediate entrance visa to the Soviet Union, and to grant another one to him, separtably (misspelling and emphasis as in the original).

The Kremlin’s “Dragon” operation is described in my book Programmed to Kill: Moscow’s Responsibility for Lee Harvey Oswald’s Assassination of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. In 2010, this book was presented at a conference of the Organization of American Historians together with a review by Prof. Stan Weber (McNeese State University). He described the book as “a superb new paradigmatic work on the death of President Kennedy” and a “must read for everyone interested in the assassination.”[i]

Programmed to Kill is a factual analysis of that KGB crime of the century committed during the Khrushchev era. In those days, the former chief KGB adviser in Romania had become the head of the almighty Soviet foreign espionage service and pushed me up to the top levels of the Soviet bloc intelligence clique....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: assassination; jfk; kennedy; kgb; lbj; putin; russia; sovietunion
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1 posted on 11/20/2013 7:46:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lets end this thread. It was Lyndon Baines Johnson who set the Dallas assassination up.


2 posted on 11/20/2013 7:49:05 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

I tell you what — it’s the 50th anniversary, so I guess I have to tolerate the tsunami of JFK stories, but in 2014 it will be the 51st anniversary, and I will be really annoyed if the journalists still feel the need to dwell on such a has-been.


3 posted on 11/20/2013 7:51:20 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Sawdring

I’ve seen CIA, LBJ, Mafia, KGB, Castro, the Cubans from the Bay of Pigs, Corporate interests and many combinations of the above.


4 posted on 11/20/2013 7:51:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Interesting Times; zot; NYer

I consider Ion Pacepa quite credible


5 posted on 11/20/2013 7:51:47 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One thing for certain is that KGB had a hand in spreading the silly conspiracy theories, when all available evidence was pointing to the Soviet Union and Cuba. None of those highly publicized theories ever pointed to the obvious!


6 posted on 11/20/2013 7:52:13 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: GreyFriar

Look where he’s coming from.


7 posted on 11/20/2013 7:52:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So the libs would go into even more hysteria now with the fact that it was their own commie brothas who bumped JFK off.
8 posted on 11/20/2013 7:52:51 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bush’s fault—End of story.


9 posted on 11/20/2013 7:54:40 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think was Jeanne Dixon.


10 posted on 11/20/2013 7:56:49 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I believe Daniel Greenfield. Radical idea? A leftist communist named Oswald killed him. I know, it's crazy. Leftist murderers? Bombers? Assassins? Strane ma vero...
11 posted on 11/20/2013 7:56:55 PM PST by golux
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To: Arm_Bears
Damn! Beat me to the punch, FRiend!



America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

Eagles Up! Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

12 posted on 11/20/2013 7:57:49 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JFK is still alive.


13 posted on 11/20/2013 7:58:09 PM PST by sagar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll go with mafia for $1000.


14 posted on 11/20/2013 7:58:13 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/three_minutes_that_transformed_america.html

This process had its beginning in 1964 through 1968 as the Johnson administrations misguided and grossly mishandled Vietnam War spawned a broad anti-war movement. The ensuing protests unleashed far more than just a demand for an end to the war. Those that blamed America for all manner of alleged sins in the past and determined to transform the United States into a socialist/Marxist nirvana were able to step out from behind the shadows and enter the mainstream of national legitimacy. This swarm of locusts soon enveloped the higher levels of Academia spawning countless clones to further infiltrate and dominate all strata of the education, and media/entertainment establishment as well as assume control of the Democratic Party.

Not only by debasing the curriculum throughout all levels of schooling but through propaganda disseminated by the media/entertainment complex American society was gradually but inexorably altered to reflect the left’s determination to upend the basic moral and religious underpinning of society, thus assuring the populace would look to the government as their savior. This process, underway for nearly two generations, has eventuated in the creation of a massive class of low-information and dependent voters unconcerned about the nation’s future and susceptible to all manner of lies and propaganda from unscrupulous national leaders.

The most doctrinaire, dangerous and devious occupant of the Oval Office in the nation’s history is Barack Obama — the son of an avowed Marxist father, who not only in his childhood, but during all his formative years, was immersed in radical ideology. He would not be president today were it not for the consequences of the events that took place on the 22nd of November 1963.


15 posted on 11/20/2013 7:59:12 PM PST by digger48
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50 years later and the Mob is still in control.


16 posted on 11/20/2013 8:00:11 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Jackie planned the whole thing as revenge for his cheating.


17 posted on 11/20/2013 8:01:07 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

It was a mistake. Marilyn Monroe (not her real name) was actually aiming at Jackie.


18 posted on 11/20/2013 8:02:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FACT: We’ll never really know the true facts. Just a lot of theories and speculation.


19 posted on 11/20/2013 8:04:42 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc


20 posted on 11/20/2013 8:06:45 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: HerrBlucher; 2ndDivisionVet
Photographic proof that it was John Kerry and some other guy.

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21 posted on 11/20/2013 8:07:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: digger48

So true.


22 posted on 11/20/2013 8:13:28 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: GreyFriar
I consider Ion Pacepa quite credible

I agree.

Oswald was a Communist who renounced his American citizenship, relocated to Russia, and returned to assassinate Kennedy. The KGB immediately launched their massive disinformation campaigns to place the blame elsewhere.

23 posted on 11/20/2013 8:14:47 PM PST by zot
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To: Sawdring

It was Mr. Plum in the Kitchen with the Candlestick.


24 posted on 11/20/2013 8:15:30 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: mylife

GENIUS!

LOLOLMAO!10

25 posted on 11/20/2013 8:18:07 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Revolting cat!
One thing for certain is that KGB had a hand in spreading the silly conspiracy theories, when all available evidence was pointing to the Soviet Union and Cuba. None of those highly publicized theories ever pointed to the obvious!

Amazing isn't it.

26 posted on 11/20/2013 8:18:56 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it was male models. They have been responsible for all the assassinations for the last two centuries.

Getting serious, I personally think it was probably just Lee Harvey Oswald but goodness what a remarkable series of events followed the arrest of Oswald.


27 posted on 11/20/2013 8:19:18 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

So the whole Jack Ruby thing doesn’t raise a red flag at all?


28 posted on 11/20/2013 8:20:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: FreeReign

Amazing that many of the same people that look to conspiracy theories regarding JFK, take a face value without questioning that John Hinckley acted alone in shooting Reagan, because he wanted to impress Jodie Foster.


29 posted on 11/20/2013 8:20:16 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lincoln did it.


30 posted on 11/20/2013 8:22:01 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All kinds of red flags but in the end I think it was just Oswald.

You are right tho. I could believe almost anything and not be really surprised.


31 posted on 11/20/2013 8:22:02 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

No Lincoln was not old enough. It would have had to have been one of his descendants. Maybe George Lincoln Rockwell?


32 posted on 11/20/2013 8:29:12 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not sure if Lee Oswald did it by himself, but he was involved somehow. As for the CIA, FBI, LBJ, Mob, KGB, or Marilyn, by the 25th of November there were quite a few folks who were happy with the results, whether they were directly involved or not.


33 posted on 11/20/2013 8:32:41 PM PST by Wingy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When things happen that are world changing, we as humans feel much more comfortable in believing that there was some powerful group behind that change, whether the change was good or not good. We like to believe in some grand plan.

we humans are not comfortable believing that a single, unknown individual can have that much of an effect on our world. So we invent conspiracy theories because that makes us more comfortable.


34 posted on 11/20/2013 8:42:32 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: yarddog

There are a couple of things which bother me about Oswald. According to Marine sources he was a mediocre shot. I have been there and it was probably not that hard a shot but even so a nervous shooter using a gun which was sighted in to miss by a foot and a moving target. would have been an almost impossible shot.

Now I was champion of my gun clubs all comers meet and am fairly sure I could have made the shot with a scoped and sighted in Remington 788 in .243. That gun was short inexpensive and known to be very accurate. Even easier would have been a scope mounted AR-15 or even an SKS with a scope properly sighted in.

But Oswald had a junker with a mis-sighted scope. Now although I admit the Carcano was the worst military rifle of WWII, it still would do the job as far as power and accuracy. The only trouble was that scope being off.


35 posted on 11/20/2013 8:43:04 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You forgot Dr. Who, the Joker, school kids in Dallas, Darth Vader, et al.


36 posted on 11/20/2013 8:44:25 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: KosmicKitty

Yes, and sometimes there really are conspiracies. Both exist, no?


37 posted on 11/20/2013 8:46:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: yarddog

Lincoln had a time machine and was not dead at the time of JFK’s assassination. He really meant to take out LBJ too. But John Wilkes Booth had a time machine too and shot Lincoln right after he took out JFK. Oswald was there to shoot Oliver Stone but Booth materialized in the line of fire and died on the spot but due to the laws of time travel both Lincoln and Booth dematerialized. So Oswald was blamed. This is why Oswald claimed to be a Patsy, which was a reference to Patsy Cline who died in a tragic plane crash, that was caused by the Big Bopper.


38 posted on 11/20/2013 8:58:26 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: KosmicKitty
So we invent conspiracy theories because that makes us more comfortable.

A point of view that traces its self back to 1963 and not before.

39 posted on 11/20/2013 9:04:54 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, and sometimes there really are conspiracies. Both exist, no?

Conspiracies became taboo starting in late 1963.

40 posted on 11/20/2013 9:08:04 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting, one of the best articles on this topic I have seen.


41 posted on 11/20/2013 9:09:06 PM PST by BeadCounter (The night they drove O'BamaCare down...)
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To: yarddog

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/lee-harvey-oswalds-carcano-rifle-shooting-it-today/

This gun website discusses the Carcano, I’m sure it would be of interest to folks here. Interesting comments too.

I read some of the Warren Commission Report on the gun too, when they tested it, they used some “shims” with it to fix the scope but apparently that’s not all there is to it.


42 posted on 11/20/2013 9:11:37 PM PST by BeadCounter (The night they drove O'BamaCare down...)
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To: FreeReign

Pearl Harbor?? Anyone?


43 posted on 11/20/2013 9:12:40 PM PST by BeadCounter (The night they drove O'BamaCare down...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s been 50 years, yes. Will we know what really went down? No. Was Kennedy assassinated? Yes. Did Ruby kill Oswald? Yes. Did the Serial Rape of America begin after that day? Yes. Who began all that? Democrats. Liberals. Progressives. Communists.
History says so.

The media is drumming the assassination of Kennedy. They hope to drown out other things of importance. It is said that continual coverage of a historical event, just might bring it back. I think the media better shut up, unless now that the boy-queer-king is not working out, they do not how else to get him out of there.


44 posted on 11/20/2013 9:13:08 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Revolting cat!

Thank you. At least there’ll be one bit of truth on this thread.


45 posted on 11/20/2013 9:26:38 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: FreeReign

Yeah, I guess Gavrilo Princip doesn’t count. He only started WWI


46 posted on 11/20/2013 9:31:55 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: FreeReign

“A point of view that traces its self back to 1963 and not before.”

Or maybe 1865!

“Co-conspirator Lewis Powell (or Paine/Payne) attempted to assassinate Secretary of State William Seward, but only managed to injure him. David Herold accompanied Powell. However, Herold fled before the deed was finished. At the same time, George Atzerodt was supposed to have killed Vice-President Andrew Johnson. Atzerodt did not go through with the assassination.”

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/lincolnsdeath/a/lincolnsdeath.htm

And the article goes into it a bit more in depth.

Probably back to Shakespeare I suppose.


47 posted on 11/20/2013 9:36:41 PM PST by BeadCounter (The night they drove O'BamaCare down...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oswald killed Kennedy, and he acted alone.


48 posted on 11/20/2013 9:54:13 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Fiji Hill

Oswald killed Kennedy, and he acted alone.


49 posted on 11/20/2013 9:58:31 PM PST by ReaganberAlles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think that many people/groups had motives to kill JFK. Which one actually succeeded will never be known for sure. Don't forget they were behind some assassinations and attempted assassinations themselves.

When the Warren Report was issued and documents sealed for 50 years, I wondered why it was sealed. Since the Kennedy Clan was not objecting to the conclusion, I felt that the perpetrators had been punished to the extent that they could be.

Many believed that the assassination was going to lead to war with the Russians. I always figured that Castro and some of his Soviet cohorts were the logical choice for who gave the orders to do it. Retaliation for the actions against Castro by USA/Kennedy.

If the trail led to Castro, and the Soviet Union, the American people would be livid, and demand retaliation which could lead to nuclear war. I figured they sealed it so that wouldn't happen. Figured Kennedy Clan went along with it so nuclear war would not be Kennedy's legacy, and to prevent total destruction of nuclear war.

There are several plausible theories and evidence to back it up, depending on how you interpret it. So all I can say is that there were likely several conspiracies against him, with various motives, and means to do it.

High on the list is Castro/Soviets hiring the mafia and programming Oswald. The recent movie on TV regarding the accidental shooting by a Secret Service Agent was also plausible to me.

As I said right after I watched Jack Ruby shoot Oswald: Now we'll never know for sure, because there won't be a trial and presentation of evidence that will be available to the American people in our lifetime.

50 posted on 11/20/2013 10:06:49 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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