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Thousands of Porn Watchers Have Names Released to Public
New York Daily News ^ | SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2013 | David Harding

Posted on 12/15/2013 11:15:57 AM PST by nickcarraway

The release of names is a big mistake, say some lawyers, based on the court not knowing the difference between streaming and downloading copyrighted material.

Thousands of porn watchers have had their personal details released by a German court.

Some 20,000 people who watched porn on a U.S.-based website have had their names and addresses released by a court and could end up paying a fine.

Cease and desist letters were sent to people who had accessed the smut site, Redtube.

They were traced after a German court released their personal details in a case where people were claiming videos had been uploaded onto the explicit site without permission, thus infringing copyright.

Lawyers had asked the Cologne court to order German Internet service provider Deutsche Telekom to release the names of tens of thousands of people who had watched these videos.

This, the court did.

Users face a fine of almost $350 — as well as public embarrassment.

Other lawyers argued that there was no copyright infringement because the videos had not been downloaded but "streamed".

They say forcing people to pay the fine is a sign the court has made a wrong decision, reported NBC News.

All of those asked to pay a fine are thought to live in Germany, said NBC.

It is thought many of those ordered to pay a fine will appeal to the court.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: copyright; germany; redtube; surveillancestate; violations

1 posted on 12/15/2013 11:15:57 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Is Bill Clinton worried?


2 posted on 12/15/2013 11:17:27 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Bill never paid for anything, LOL


3 posted on 12/15/2013 11:19:37 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: nickcarraway

That is probably a tiny fraction. The percentage of adult men in our nation that have watched porn at some point in their lives has got to be at least 95 % or so. Laws against watching and downloading porn would make felons out of tens of millions of American men.


4 posted on 12/15/2013 11:20:04 AM PST by freedom462
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To: nickcarraway

But healthcare.gov is safe, right?


5 posted on 12/15/2013 11:21:53 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: nickcarraway; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson

Ich bin ein bluelighter


6 posted on 12/15/2013 11:24:22 AM PST by martin_fierro (Breaking Bad Hornsburg)
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To: nickcarraway

you got to love government. On the one hand the nazi demoralizes people by mandating feminism and then uses that against them in attempt to further divide and demoralize to submission.

This is a lesson in communist fabrication.


7 posted on 12/15/2013 11:25:20 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: nickcarraway

Ok, lemme get this straight. A German court is releasing to the public information on individuals who visited a US web site. There must be something missing in the translation.


8 posted on 12/15/2013 11:26:04 AM PST by bgill
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To: 2banana

Actually, I’m guessing he has a couple of videos on there about himself, likely titled “Something to do with the Blue Pill and Still Horny.”


9 posted on 12/15/2013 11:26:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2banana

Worried? Not as long as he can still get into his favorite sites: ‘Little Bent Weenies’, ‘Cigars And The Women Who Crave Them’ or ‘The Best Of Blue Dress Spooge #5’...


10 posted on 12/15/2013 11:26:06 AM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: freedom462
lurker$ galore!
of course; I'm just commenting! :-D
not lookin', just surfin'

11 posted on 12/15/2013 11:26:10 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: nickcarraway

Sporn posters going after sporn posters,, eewwwwwww...


12 posted on 12/15/2013 11:28:12 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: nickcarraway

13 posted on 12/15/2013 11:29:01 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: freedom462
Laws against watching and downloading porn would make felons out of tens of millions of American men.

You can't walk outside your house anymore without breaking SOME law. And most of them are designed for one thing only. To extract money from your pocket. Pure and simple.

14 posted on 12/15/2013 11:31:50 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: nickcarraway; a fool in paradise

The money collected from the fines will be used to support the struggling pornographic industry, so it’s all good.


15 posted on 12/15/2013 11:35:06 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: freedom462
Apparently you did not even bother to read the article. It has nothing to do with the legality of pornography. It has to do with the government releasing the names of these customers. I take it you agree with that, since you didn't say anything.

By thee way, thanks for saying U.S. men are losers.

16 posted on 12/15/2013 11:37:42 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: unixfox

““Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.””


17 posted on 12/15/2013 11:39:01 AM PST by EEGator
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To: nickcarraway

I would say that the views on Redtube will go down a lot.


18 posted on 12/15/2013 11:39:23 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: nickcarraway

"...anybody know if they heard a bell?"

19 posted on 12/15/2013 11:58:36 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Venturer

Apparently these were all paying subscribers.

It amazes me that there is still anyone who pays to watch porn. Seriously, you need Internet filters to keep your kids from accessing free porn. You could spend your whole life watching free porn. Buying porn is like Arabs buying sand.


20 posted on 12/15/2013 12:03:48 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: freedom462

It would also be unconstitutional.


21 posted on 12/15/2013 12:06:24 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: nickcarraway

I think a bunch of you didn’t read this. All of the people watching are in Germany.


22 posted on 12/15/2013 12:08:09 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo
I think a bunch of you didn’t read this.

Reading the underlying article was outlawed on FR in 2008.

Reading the excerpt was outlawed in 2012.

Read the headline, shoot from the keyboard!

23 posted on 12/15/2013 12:10:25 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: nickcarraway; a fool in paradise

I did some research and sacrificing my exquisite taste I went to Redtube attempting to verify the news report. There are various categories there, Asian, Japanese, Latina, Ebony, others I don’t understand, but nowhere is there a Deutsche Fraulein category, so what’s up with that?


24 posted on 12/15/2013 12:12:56 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: nickcarraway

Well I think the gov’t releasing these names is obscene and there is zero justification for it. They could try to claim it was about enforcing a sort of morality or something like that, but then, as I noted above, considering the tens of millions that have watched porn in the US alone, it would still be completely arbitrary how the ended up releasing these particular names.


25 posted on 12/15/2013 12:15:04 PM PST by freedom462
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Buying porn is like Arabs buying sand.

Actually they do. The sand on parts of the Arabian peninsula is not suitable for filtering municipal water supplies.

Countries on those parts have to import it. *sigh* Figures.

26 posted on 12/15/2013 12:19:45 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

I love when cliches are exposed. Apples are actually almost identical to oranges, chemically speaking.


27 posted on 12/15/2013 12:20:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Now you really are comparing apples to oranges...


28 posted on 12/15/2013 12:23:25 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: MuttTheHoople

LOL!!! Oh man what a perfect pic, that is him to a tee.


29 posted on 12/15/2013 1:10:27 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: nickcarraway

Another excellent reason to kick the habit. Well, aside from most of it being crap anyway.


30 posted on 12/15/2013 1:14:35 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: bgill
Ok, lemme get this straight. A German court is releasing to the public information on individuals who visited a US web site. There must be something missing in the translation.

Or, the court ordered the German ISP to release info about which of its customers appears in its logs as having visited that porn site. Never forget, your ISP knows who its subscribers are, and keeps logs of what sites were visited. Upon court order, it might even quietly record all traffic, each way.

31 posted on 12/15/2013 1:17:31 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: unixfox

There is a solution. In the tradition of pre-paid cell phones, Americans can opt to pay a “dwelling exit fee” to a government agency online, giving them a one-trip waiver from inadvertent and unwitting violation of the millions of “crimes” they would otherwise commit just by existing. It would be mandatory to carry a receipt in order to show the various hordes of officials thus created in the new bureaucracy who will be confronting them to prove their right to be outside unmolested.

Just think of it as the price of a free society.


32 posted on 12/15/2013 1:26:07 PM PST by DPMD
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To: nickcarraway; JRandomFreeper

My computer, several years ago, could have been collected at numerous porn sites and from there, authorities could have gotten my name.

Some years ago, I worked on a court case with a lawyer as the county judge was being tried for watching porn on his office computer. However, the county had NO rules about an employee using his/her computer for personal use. An investigator in this case was a personal friend of the district judge trying this case (and I think she, Democrat district judge, wanted the county judge in prison), said the county judge was watching “child” porn. Watching child porn definitely gets you into prison. I knew this county judge was not watching a child, no way he would do that.

As a result of working on this case, I accessed many legal sites on my computer that were supposedly “porn” sites. Then, I wrote a series of articles on a website set up specifically about this case. I attempted to first identify what nudity was as that is what makes up porn. It is in the eye of the beholder. Is your definition of nudity if the ankles are shown? What about the whole leg up to where it attaches to the body - is that porn? Is a bare arm porn? Is a bare chest porn (on either sex)? Is nudity only when “private parts” are shown or partially shown and are breasts private parts? Who determines what nudity is and says it is porn?

I’ll stick a personal story in here - I have a female relative who is extremely religious. One day, she was upstairs in my house in my bedroom for a bit. Later in the day after she left, I went to my bedroom for something and noticed my figure of the Biblical David by Michelangelo I bought at the Louvre in Paris, was turned around facing the wall. I laughed. David is in the nude completely. She had to turn the statue around so his private parts would not be shown. I still smile at that today when I think of it. David is still in my bedroom on a table and he is not turned around. He is not porn although he is nude. If you think David is porn, you have a problem.

Back to the case: I looked at numerous totally legal websites that some people think are porn. I saw the picture of the MAN the investigator said was a child. When nailed down on the stand, he said the picture “could” be a child but he couldn’t be certain. Well, that took away the child porn case and we were left with the judge using his county computer for personal use.

If you have never been to the “Playboy” website, it is full of undressed ladies (now don’t everyone rush over there right this minute). Playboy on the web is perfectly legal.

After that case, I had porn sites popping up on my computer every day because I had accessed them once. I couldn’t get rid of them until that computer finally died and I got another one. So, if you go to the Playboy website, don’t be surprised if you can’t get rid of it popping up at any moment.


33 posted on 12/15/2013 1:33:15 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: nickcarraway

Why would German porn fans be embarrassed? Is there any morality left there that would conflict with a porn habit? I mean, they have legal prostitutes, don’t they?


34 posted on 12/15/2013 1:48:40 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

The internet has changed a lot of things.

Blockbuster has practically gone out of business as have other movie rental business’s, There was a guy at a local flea market who used to sell porn DVD’s as well as other things , it put him out of that business he no longer carries them. Why would he ? Anyone with a computer can watch for free. I submit that Red Tube or whomsoever came up with this scam, is about to go under so they came up with this scam in Germany to make a few bucks. Hopefully they put themselves out of business.


35 posted on 12/15/2013 2:12:40 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: nickcarraway
It has nothing to do with the legality of pornography.

Right. It's only about looking at it. As long as no one does that, it's perfectly fine.

36 posted on 12/15/2013 3:34:17 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> ...Redtube. They were traced after a German court released their personal details in a case where people were claiming videos had been uploaded onto the explicit site without permission, thus infringing copyright.

Bluetube, by contrast, casts very ugly women.


37 posted on 12/15/2013 5:00:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Marcella

So, if you go to the Playboy website, don’t be surprised if you can’t get rid of it popping up at any moment.

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Unfortunate wording.

I think.


38 posted on 12/16/2013 2:03:20 PM PST by dmz
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To: SunkenCiv
Bluetube, by contrast, casts very ugly women.

I see what you did there...

39 posted on 12/16/2013 2:15:04 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: nickcarraway
Isn't that what the Internet is for?
40 posted on 12/18/2013 10:05:59 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: nickcarraway; Lazamataz; martin_fierro
Thousands of porn watchers have had their personal details released by a German court.

Released against the wishes of the Federation of Approvers of Pornography, also known as FAP.

41 posted on 12/18/2013 10:07:50 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: nickcarraway

“Fonda Dicks”-Moravia High (W 99-77) Lenox HS, 2/25/1972 District Semi-Finals at Chariton

http://www.luckyshow.org/basketball/Iowa6x6Complete.htm


42 posted on 12/27/2013 2:11:23 PM PST by TurboZamboni ("PEACE ON EARTH TO MEN OF GOOD WILL".)
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