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Hawaii law lets police have sex with prostitutes
Associated Press ^ | Mar 21, 2014 12:50 AM EDT | Sam Eifling

Posted on 03/20/2014 10:59:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Honolulu police officers have urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations, touching off a heated debate.

Authorities say they need the legal protection to catch lawbreakers in the act. Critics, including human trafficking experts and other police, say it’s unnecessary and could further victimize sex workers, many of whom have been forced into the trade. …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: abovethelaw; donutwatch; hawaii; prostitution
No, no, no.

I saw this story earlier today, but was not sure if it was appropriate to post. But this is just abuse of the law. Totally unnecessary to make arrests.

1 posted on 03/20/2014 10:59:13 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it..


2 posted on 03/20/2014 11:02:57 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Olog-hai

The government hates competition.


3 posted on 03/20/2014 11:07:06 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: smokingfrog

I guess narcotics gets to use as well... Most do anyway. How else do you think they got the job in the first place?


4 posted on 03/20/2014 11:07:19 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Olog-hai

Oh, we’re going to a hookerlaw
A hooker, hooker, hooker, hooker, hookerlaw
Ev’rybody loves a hookerlaw
Where the lawlaw is the kau kau at the big law

We’ll throw our nets out into the sea And all the ama ama come-a swimming to me Oh, we’re going to a hookerlaw
A hooker, hooker, hooker, hooker, hookerlaw

Ev’rybody loves a hookerlaw
Where the lawlaw is the kau kau at the hookerlaw

What a beautiful day for fishing
In the old Hawaiian way
All the hookerlaw nets are swishing
Down in old Laie Bay
Oh, we’re going to a hookerlaw
A hooker, hooker, hooker, hooker, hookerlaw

Ev’rybody loves a hookerlaw
Where the lawlaw is the kau kau at the big law


5 posted on 03/20/2014 11:08:24 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Olog-hai

I got a better idea, how ‘bout forcing the cops to have sex with the pimps instead ?


6 posted on 03/20/2014 11:11:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Olog-hai

So how long before the gay male prostitutes file a law suit complaining that the straight male police won’t have sex with them so they can be busted at equal rates as with the female “sex workers”? Simply using the occasional token gay male cop won’t do it because all discrimination in straight male cops must be stamped out...and besides the Gay cop will be too old and quite the fatty...just not fabulous enough!


7 posted on 03/20/2014 11:14:38 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: Olog-hai

Wait, Danno! You can book her later.


8 posted on 03/20/2014 11:25:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Olog-hai

So the law lets cops have sex with prostitutes then stiff them?


9 posted on 03/20/2014 11:44:35 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Olog-hai

Then, shouldn’t police be able to embezzle in order to catch embezzlers, maybe commit a murder in order to catch a mass murderer, etc.?


10 posted on 03/20/2014 11:47:19 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: All

I could feature some problems with cops who are married.


11 posted on 03/20/2014 11:49:31 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: Olog-hai

More insanity


12 posted on 03/20/2014 11:51:01 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

I’m like, “HUH??”. I live in Hawaii, how embarrassing!! That is just screwed up!


13 posted on 03/20/2014 11:54:36 PM PDT by punditwannabe
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To: punditwannabe

So do I and ICAM.


14 posted on 03/21/2014 12:03:26 AM PDT by Jean2 (i)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

That’s the slippery-slope “logic” being employed here, looks to me.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 12:07:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Honolulu police officers have urged lawmakers to keep an exemption in state law that allows undercover officers to have sex with prostitutes during investigations

Ah, well ok, but my question is, what are they exempted from if they are doing a murder investigation?

16 posted on 03/21/2014 12:15:44 AM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: GeronL

And people wonder why the USA is going down the toilet .... this is just example 13,784 or so....


17 posted on 03/21/2014 12:36:30 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Olog-hai
Let's see,

It is a constitutionally impermissible to prosecute consenting adults for engaging in sex in private. Why in a capitalist country is it permissible to prosecute consenting adults for engaging in sex in private for hire?

If a doctor will not treat a patient, except for money, that is not a crime but is part of our understanding of capitalism. We do not say that requiring a payment for medical services somehow attacks the purity of the Hippocratic oath, we understand that medicine exists in a capitalist world.

It is the unrelenting goal of the left to remove capitalism as the method by which goods and services are distributed in our society. Just yesterday we had a thread in which we were treated to a lecture on "Ted" in which a Harvard professor put forth the idea that to distribute, for example medical services, on the basis of money is on sound public policy because it is morally wrong.

I can recall as a college sophomore being required to write what was expected to be a favorable review of John Kenneth Galbraith's, "The Affluent Society" which told the American people that because they put fins on cars rather than wings on school buildings they were too stupid to dispose of their money, rather those choices should be done by elitists who know better. In other words Galbraith sought to substitute political judgment for market judgment. This is the unremitting quest of the left. Conservatives should resist this wherever it threatens us.

In the instance of prostitution, we are told by our betters that, although it is constitutionally permissible to engage in sex in private between consenting adults of either or both sexes, it becomes a crime if we choose to do so because money changes hands. The result? The oldest profession goes underground, the police state follows it underground, corruption flourishes and prostitution survives through the millennia. For what?

If there are associated social ills accompanying the business of prostitution, such as abuse by pimps, regulate those activities. Look at the German model in which prostitution is legalized, localized, regulated, and supervised by health officials.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:47 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
It is a constitutionally impermissible to prosecute consenting adults for engaging in sex in private. Why in a capitalist country is it permissible to prosecute consenting adults for engaging in sex in private for hire?

If a doctor will not treat a patient, except for money, that is not a crime but is part of our understanding of capitalism.

Don't try to introduce logic and reason when discussing the illegalities of prostitution. You'll only wind up hurting your head. At any rate, I've often wondered why it is that prostitution suddenly becomes legal when the sex act is filmed and downloaded onto a porn site.

If there are associated social ills accompanying the business of prostitution, such as abuse by pimps, regulate those activities.

As an interesting aside, the recent best-selling book Super Freakonomics did a whole chapter on the business of prostitution. A researcher profiled several Chicago streetwalkers and found that those who use pimps actually make more money from fewer sex acts than those who don't --even after handing over the traditional 25% of their earnings to the pimp. Turns out, if the John is black, the prostitute offers a fixed rate. If the John is white, the prostitute asks him how much he's willing to pay. In almost all cases, the white John offers far more than she's used to getting from her black customers. The pimps know this as well and they go out and find white customers for their girls.

19 posted on 03/21/2014 1:36:55 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: smokingfrog
It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it..

Yet somehow I doubt the cops are getting this dirty trying to bust male prostitutes.

20 posted on 03/21/2014 1:38:03 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Olog-hai

tiny bubbles,

On your gland,

Tiny bubbles,

feel weird against my hand.

Tiny bubbles,
Drank too much wine
Make me sick
Make me feel stay at home.

Tiny bubbles
Make me warm all over
With a feeling that I’m gonna
stay with you till the end of time

So here’s to the golden pee
And here’s to the silver colloid
And mostly here’s a painful memory
To you and me

So here’s to the ginger lei
I give to you today
And here’s a kiss
That will not fade away

Like bad luggage,
Tiny bubbles,
Never go away...


21 posted on 03/21/2014 1:46:03 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mdmathis6

That’s gotta suck...


22 posted on 03/21/2014 1:46:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Drew68
I've often wondered why it is that prostitution suddenly becomes legal when the sex act is filmed and downloaded onto a porn site.

Is it because the sex act when filmed acquires the constitutional protection of the First Amendment? That is not vitiated by the fact that the actors are paid. The sex act between consenting adults in private is constitutionally protected, why is that protection lost when the actors are paid?

Surely, the associated social ills alleged to be the byproduct of prostitution such as exploitation, spread of disease, degradation of morals generally, are all to be found in filming porn. And what about the additional social degradation which occurs from the fact that the porn is published while the act of prostitution for hire is presumably done in private?

The legalization of prostitution, like the legalization of drugs, and the general acceptance of homosexuality, whether for good or ill, is inevitable and we should get on with it. That is not to say that these activities are in themselves desirable it is to say that the criminalization of these activities is more harmful to society then to tolerate and regulate them.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 1:50:57 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
The legalization of prostitution, like the legalization of drugs, and the general acceptance of homosexuality, whether for good or ill, is inevitable and we should get on with it. That is not to say that these activities are in themselves desirable it is to say that the criminalization of these activities is more harmful to society then to tolerate and regulate them.

I concur.

24 posted on 03/21/2014 1:58:14 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Olog-hai

Makes you wonder how they catch pedophiles.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 2:16:36 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: maddog55
Makes you wonder how they catch pedophiles.

I suspect that most of the child porn circulating on-line was originally placed there by the FBI.

26 posted on 03/21/2014 2:25:32 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: nathanbedford

Twisted logic


27 posted on 03/21/2014 2:42:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Detective, have you arrested those prostitutes yet?”

“No sir, still gathering evidence...might take a few more boinks er I mean a little more surveillance...”


28 posted on 03/21/2014 3:36:27 AM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: Olog-hai

“Hi Babe, sorry working late tonight. Taking a shower before going to bed.”


29 posted on 03/21/2014 3:55:53 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Drew68

See my posting #7. The gay male prostitutes are gonna sue and claim discrimination...just you wait! (/s)


30 posted on 03/21/2014 4:41:23 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: Olog-hai

I need to join Hawaii Vice.


31 posted on 03/21/2014 4:49:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Olog-hai

Worker’s Comp claims for antibiotic shots?


32 posted on 03/21/2014 4:54:40 AM PDT by Drago
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To: Olog-hai

At least the cop got to go home sated at the end of his shift.


33 posted on 03/21/2014 4:55:00 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Olog-hai
Good for them.

Me, I'd rather sleep naked in a dumpster in January.

Happy Syphillis, officers!

34 posted on 03/21/2014 5:07:33 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Olog-hai

Who knows? Maybe another President from Hawaii may come of it.


35 posted on 03/21/2014 5:21:43 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Olog-hai
What could go wrong?
36 posted on 03/21/2014 5:39:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: Olog-hai

“In a tyranny, everyone is a criminal, except the government or anyone who works for the government or is part of the government.”


37 posted on 03/21/2014 8:33:21 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Olog-hai
And another:

In a tyranny, the real criminals are The Law.

38 posted on 03/21/2014 8:34:32 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Olog-hai

What a sad joke.

When the law serves no purpose other than to leave a stain on all involved.. wellll...


39 posted on 03/21/2014 9:10:25 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: smokingfrog

What do they do, take a selfie for proof?


40 posted on 03/31/2014 9:26:57 AM PDT by Syncro (So? -Andrew Breitbart [1969-2012] RIP King of The New Media)
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To: Syncro
Has BJ Clinton tried to sign up for the HPD yet?
41 posted on 03/31/2014 3:52:29 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: bunkerhill7
Oh, we’re going to a hookerlaw

Hahaha! Ya got me.
I must say, that was a brilliant stroke.

42 posted on 04/23/2014 4:09:27 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: nathanbedford; Drew68
I've often wondered why it is that prostitution suddenly becomes legal when the sex act is filmed and downloaded onto a porn site.

Because it brings in a LOT MORE MONEY.

This brings it out of the realm of the pimp, and into the realm of the politician.

43 posted on 06/10/2014 5:15:52 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2; Drew68
Well…Cast your bread on the surface of the waters, for you will find it after many days. (Ecclesiastes 11:1)

I posted my remarks in March 2014 and it is edifying to encounter your reply after many days.


44 posted on 06/10/2014 5:40:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Mark17

what happens if a Cop contracts AIDS or a STD?
Will this be considered Line of duty Injury?


45 posted on 06/10/2014 7:08:47 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: smokingfrog

I have complete faith that Mike Rowe will NOT volunteer for this job.


46 posted on 06/10/2014 8:37:47 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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