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Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly Crucified for 'Mocking' Christianity in Halloween Costumes: 'Abhorrent'
Yahoo News ^ | Mon, October 31, 2022 | Caroline Thayer

Posted on 11/01/2022 7:15:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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FROM THIS DAY FORTH:
The government mandates the only Halloween costumes allowed
will be those depicting princesses, fairies, and queens.
Your choice.
That will be all.
41 posted on 11/02/2022 7:27:50 AM PDT by V K Lee (Our CONSTITUTION. Written with DIVINE assistance by very wise men. A document Unlike any other.)
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That's not a bad idea or look, but kneeling isn't necessary... As long as she doesn't bring the boyfriend.


42 posted on 11/02/2022 9:06:41 AM PDT by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: T.B. Yoits

I am referring, of course, to the Mass of the Ages, the Tridentine Mass.

Usus Antiquior.

https://www.learnreligions.com/what-to-know-about-traditional-latin-mass-4068352


43 posted on 11/02/2022 1:17:03 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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44 posted on 11/02/2022 1:22:51 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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A.K.A., Vetus Ordo.


45 posted on 11/02/2022 1:43:23 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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It’s a nice painting but it’s revisionist as it conflicts with earlier ones.


46 posted on 11/02/2022 2:22:17 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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I am referring, of course, to the Mass of the Ages, the Tridentine Mass.

Understood, but it's not in Aramaic, Hebrew, or even Greek. The Roman Canon started around the 6th century.

The Tridentine Mass, debated to have started in the 1500s, conflicts with the Last Supper. Reveling in its beauty compared to the beauty of what Christ had done is very... human.

47 posted on 11/02/2022 2:34:20 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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2022.11.02 Sermon 🙏 All Souls 🔔 Traditional Catholic

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kh4F64xEh_w


48 posted on 11/02/2022 2:37:45 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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The first or second century paintings in the catacombs shows loaves of bread and fish.

49 posted on 11/02/2022 2:43:18 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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Tres Linguae Sacrae: Three Sacred Languages—Hebrew, Greek, and Latin

https://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=49760

In Book IX of St. Isidore of Seville’s Etymologies—perhaps the world’s first encyclopedia—St. Isidore (ca. 560-636 A.D.) states that three sacred languages (tres linguae sacrae) excel all others throughout the world: Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

Tres sunt autem linguae sacrae: Hebraea, Graeca, Latina,
quae toto orbe maxime excellunt.
His enim tribus linguis super crucem Domini
a Pilato fuit causa eius scripta.

The justification for St. Isidore’s claim was built upon Pilate’s command—surely guided by divine Providence in St. Isidore’s view—that the titulus crucis, the placard on the True Cross that identified Jesus’ supposed crime, was to be written in Greek, Latin, and Hebrew: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.” (John 19:19; cf. Luke 23:38; Matt. 27:37, 15:26)

In his poem “Apotheosis,” the 4th century Christian poet Prudentius wrote about Pontius Pilate’s stumbling into the truth that Jesus was, in fact, King of the Jews, and not only of the Jews, but of the entire Cosmos, the Pantokrator, as follows:

Pilatus iubet ignorans “I, scriba, tripictis
digere versiculis quae sit subfixa potestas,
fronte crucis titulus sit triplex, triplice lingua
agnoscat Iudaea legens et Graecia norit
et venerata Deum percenseat aurea Roma.”

In ignorance, Pilate commands, “Go, scribe, and thrice
Inscribe the lines under which power hangs affixed,
Afront the cross, let the title be thrice, in three tongues
That by reading, Judaea may recognize, the Greeks know,
And golden and venerated Rome regard God.”

To be sure, other religious traditions have their own sacred languages. For example, the Muslims have the classical Arabic of the Qur’an. The Hindus have their Sanskrit. The Copts have their Coptic, and the Eastern Orthodox Churches their Slavonic.

But for the Roman Catholic, and really for all Christians of the West, the three sacred languages have been, are still, and forever must be, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

St. Jerome, who translated the New Testament from Greek to Latin and the Old Testament from Hebrew into Latin and gave the Church the Vulgate, obviously had intimate knowledge of all three sacred tongues.

Yet St. Jerome’s contemporary St. Augustine, while he had knowledge of Latin beyond criticism, admits in his Confessions that as a youth he disliked Greek, though retained some facility with it, and that his knowledge of Hebrew was such that he would not even recognize Genesis 1:1 if Moses himself read it to him in Hebrew. Conf. I.13-14, XI.3 Also, we mustn’t forget that St. Thomas Aquinas had virtually no knowledge of either Greek or Hebrew, and yet he is the common doctor of the Church, and his knowledge of the faith and his sanctity are both unimpeachable.

Goethe said that he who does not know foreign languages knows nothing of his own. But this is not entirely true. The critic Ben Johnson famously said of William Shakespeare that he had “small Latin and less Greek.” Hebrew goes unmentioned by Johnson, but we may be sure that Shakespeare’s knowledge of Hebrew was less even than his Greek. Shakespeare, we might hardly point out, got along quite famously without such knowledge, and knew his English quite well pace Goethe’s observations.

So it is not necessary for salvation, or even necessary for literary ability, to know Latin, Greek, or Hebrew. Nor is it necessary to travel to Rome or Jerusalem to be a saint. Nevertheless, there is much value in having at least some familiarity with these three languages, or at least some of their words, just as there has always been value to going on pilgrimage to holy sites. Exploring Hebrew, Greek, and Latin is analogous to going on an intellectual or conceptual pilgrimage.

Perhaps we can learn something about ourselves, or about Church, or about our Faith, or even about God by learning a little about Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.

The Old Testament, of course, is by and large written in Hebrew, although the 2nd century B.C. Greek translation of it known as the Septuagint—itself a Greek word worth exploring—is of venerable pedigree. The New Testament comes to us in Greek, though it is full of Semitisms that one unfamiliar with Hebrew or Aramaic would be deaf to. Obviously, knowledge of some Hebrew and Greek helps facilitate or develop intimacy with Scriptures.

Ignorance of Scriptures is ignorance of Christ, wrote St. Jerome in his Commentary on Isaiah. And if what the Jewish poet Hayim Nahman Bialik said is true for Judaism is also true for Scripture (which we have no reason to doubt)—that knowing Judaism in translation is like kissing one’s mother through a veil—then we encounter at least some impediment, though it be as thin as a veil, in being ignorant of the Greek and Hebrew of the Scriptures.

Though Latin is not a “scriptural” language in the strictest sense, the Latin Vulgate—the translation of the Bible by St. Jerome from Hebrew and Greek—is given great pride of place in the Roman Catholic Church, being regarded (by the Council of Trent) as “authentic,” and of “probative force in questions of faith and morals.”

Moreover, Latin is the liturgical language of the Roman rite, the common language of the Church, the inspiration and substance of Gregorian chant, and—along with, though to a lesser extent, Greek—is absolutely central in understanding Roman Catholic doctrine and theology.


50 posted on 11/02/2022 2:45:18 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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In particular response to your comment, please see in particular the ¶ below marked off by two instances of five asterisks, *****.

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What is Archaeologism?

https://unamsanctamcatholicam.com/2022/09/28/what-is-archaeologism/

In his 1947 encyclical Mediator Dei, Venerable Pius XII warned against what he termed an “exaggerated and senseless antiquarianism” in the reform of the Sacred Liturgy. This preference for “antiquarianism” has subsequently become known as archaeologism, and from the 1930s till today has been one of the most prevalent schools of thought in discussions about Catholic identity. What is archaeologism, why is it so prevalent, why did Pope Pius XII warn Catholics against it, and how does it promote a distorted view of the Catholic tradition? God willing, we will endeavor to answer these questions.

What is Archaeologism?

Archaeologism is not so much a heresy as a fad, a certain approach to Catholic liturgy and practice. Its distinguishing characteristic is an excessive value placed on those Catholic practices which came earlier in historical-chronological succession. For the archaeologist, first is always best. A practice or prayer of the patristic Church is “better” or “purer” than a practice of the medieval Church. Consequently, the goal of any true liturgical renewal ought to be to return to the practice of the first Christians, inasmuch as possible. The modern Church ought to imitate the apostolic Church.

The origin of archaeologism lay in the liturgical movement of the 1930’s. With growing discussion about how to more appropriately engage the faithful in the Mass, liturgists posited, among other things, a return to supposed apostolic liturgical forms as a means of promoting active participation. The thinking was that the centuries’ long accumulation of liturgical gestures and rituals had become a barrier to true engagement of the laity. These accretions placed undue obstructions between the faithful and God, and in many cases were completely unintelligible to those outside the clerical caste. Thus, in order to promote a true encounter with the living God, these accretions ought to be stripped away, back down to the simple, robust faith of the apostolic era, when liturgy was devoid of needless externals and focused much more intensively on a personal encounter with the Risen Christ. Therefore, programs of liturgical renewal were most appropriate that would move the Church in this direction.

The Attraction of Archaeologism

Archaeologism is admittedly an attractive idea, and ostensibly a noble aim. Part of its attraction is that, at the outset, it appears to be very consonant with Catholic ecclesiology. The Catholic faith is a faith grounded in tradition. Tradition is the force that binds the Church’s past with her present, and the content of the faith itself is safeguarded through the traditio, the handing on, which takes place in the context of a faithful passing on of the tradition to each subsequent generation. Catholic Tradition is nothing other than Catholic identity. As the Magisterium would teach at Vatican II, “The Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes” (1).

Given the Catholic emphasis on Tradition, why would we not want to return to our earliest roots? If tradition means adhering to what is handed on, what argument could anyone possibly have against going back to the sources, the well-spring from which this stream of Tradition takes its source? It would seem that for a Church grounded in Tradition, this would be not only a good thing, but even the most reasonable course of action. Archaeologism thus presents the appearance of great fidelity to Catholic ecclesiology, and consequently attracts a great many Catholics who, though well intentioned, have perhaps only given superficial thought to the issue. As we shall see shortly, archaeologism is actually foreign to the spirit of the Catholic traditio.

The Warning of Pius XII

Pius XII, while recognizing the need for greater engagement of the Christian faithful in the liturgy, saw a danger in this approach. While an appreciation for Tradition is essential for any authentically Catholic approach to worship, it must be recalled that our Tradition is a living Tradition. The fundamental danger in archaeologism is that it views the Church and her practices as an historical artifacts rather than a living, organic unity. This is why Pius referred to it as a “antiquarian” sentiment. In warning against archaeologism, Pius XII draws attention to the living nature of the Church:

The Church is without question a living organism, and as an organism, in respect of the sacred liturgy also, she grows, matures, develops, adapts and accommodates herself to temporal needs and circumstances, provided only that the integrity of her doctrine be safeguarded. This notwithstanding, the temerity and daring of those who introduce novel liturgical practices, or call for the revival of obsolete rites out of harmony with prevailing laws and rubrics, deserve severe reproof. (2)

He calls for the Church to be understood as she is—a living organism, who like a person, grows, matures, and develops. Just as with a human being, each growth and adaptation the Church undergoes over the centuries becomes part of her identity. Both the things that shaped my own development when I was 12 as well as those that did so when I was 25 are equally part of my personality, and to deny one in favor of the other or to regard older developments are authentic while newer ones are simple “accretions” is really to deny the organic nature of my personhood. In living organisms, everything that the organism does or adapts to over time becomes part of its identity. To be sure, certain traits or events might be repeated or strengthened over time, and thus may become stronger or more prevalent parts of my identity, but if they are stronger it is not because of how early they occur, but because of the constancy with which they occur over time.

The Church, too, must be viewed in this manner, although, Pius notes, this is not to give occasion for pure novelty, which is always reprobated. Pius goes on to laud the desire to engage with Catholic Tradition, but warns that this does not mean primitive practice is to be preferred to those disciplines which came later. In chapter 62 of Mediator Dei, he gives some examples of liturgical practices of the early Christians that he does not believe the Church should return to:

Assuredly it is a wise and most laudable thing to return in spirit and affection to the sources of the sacred liturgy. For research in this field of study, by tracing it back to its origins, contributes valuable assistance towards a more thorough and careful investigation of the significance of feast-days, and of the meaning of the texts and sacred ceremonies employed on their occasion
But it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer’s body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See. (3)

But beyond noting that Pius disapproved of the ecclesiological vision implied by archaeologism, what danger is there in the archaeologist approach? How is the archaeologist approach positively harmful? How is it a distortion of the true spirit of Catholic tradition?

How Archaeologism is Against the Spirit of Tradition

Later in the encyclical, Pope Pius XII speaks of archaeologism (which he refers to hear as “exaggerated and senseless antiquarianism”) as not only a misconception, but as detrimental to holiness in a very practical sense. It “paralyzes” and “weakens” the sanctification of the soul that is effected through the liturgy, causing “grievous harm” to souls. The pope writes:

This way of acting bids fair to revive the exaggerated and senseless antiquarianism to which the illegal Council of Pistoia gave rise. It likewise attempts to reinstate a series of errors which were responsible for the calling of that meeting as well as for those resulting from it, with grievous harm to souls, and which the Church, the ever watchful guardian of the “deposit of faith” committed to her charge by her divine Founder, had every right and reason to condemn.[53] For perverse designs and ventures of this sort tend to paralyze and weaken that process of sanctification by which the sacred liturgy directs the sons of adoption to their Heavenly Father of their souls’ salvation. (4)

What makes archaeologism so positively harmful?

Archaeologism is harmful because, in conceiving of the Church as an artifact that needs to be recovered, it ends up casting aside the legitimate developments within the Church that have arisen throughout the centuries. The Church is essentially viewed as a ship covered with crusty barnacles which need to be scraped off. In this “scraping off” process, many valuable elements of tradition are lost, elements which grew into the Church’s organic structure and are part of her identity. Since the Church’s ends are supernatural—the salvation and sanctification of souls—every legitimate development within the Church contributes to this end. When legitimate developments are discarded as mere “accretions” or treated as extrinsic to the Church’s identity, the Church is weakened in her ability to carry out her divine mandate.

*****The liturgy is the prime example. Nobody denies that the most ancient Christian liturgies were probably simple affairs, at least simpler than we see in the high Middle Ages. Though this may be true, the Church, in her wisdom, gradually added more elements to the liturgy for the purpose of glorifying God and highlighting the sacrificial nature of the Eucharist. This was done to aid the faithful in learning the truths of the faith (finis paedagogia) as well as appropriating the grace of God (finis sanctitatis). Thus, to simply cast aside legitimate developments in tradition is to diminish both the pedagogical value of the Mass as well as the ease with which the faithful can appropriate God’s grace ex opere operantis. This is why Pope Pius XII says that an archaeologist approach to liturgy weakens the process of sanctification. It simply closes off many great treasures of the Church to the faithful.*****

Ultimately, archaeologism forgets Christ’s words that He will be with the Church for all time, and that the Spirit will abide with the Church to lead it into all truth. (5) For the archaeologist, the Church is not a living thing whose developments are all part of its very identity; it is something that was founded by Christ and then left to the wiles of history, similar to how the Deists view the creation of the world. Adherents of archaeologism may deny this, but it amounts to the same thing in practice.

However, if, as Pius says, the Church is a living thing guided in its growth by Christ through the Holy Spirit, no legitimate development, liturgical or otherwise, can ever be discarded as positively harmful to the faith. Traditions may certainly die; many have done so in the past, but in an organic manner, as occurs with living things. It is one thing to note that branches of a tree have withered; such branches may die or be sawed off because they have died—but it is another thing altogether to saw them off when they are healthy.

Archaeologism at Vatican II

Despite the warnings of Pope Pius XII, there was a strong current of archaeologist thought among the liturgists of the day, many of whom saw medieval and Tridentine “accretions” as obstacles to participatio actuousa. It is uncertain how many prelates of the day were sympathetic to archaeologism, but it must of been considerable if Pius XII thought the subject merited mention and condemnation in Mediator Dei.

The leading exponent of the archaeological position at the Second Vatican Council was Abbot Basil C. Butler (1902-1986), Anglican convert, notable Scripture scholar and Abbot of the Benedictine congregation of Downside Abbey in England. Described paradoxically as a progressive committed to orthodoxy, Butler was a leading personality of the Council, and after Cardinal Bea, had the most influence on the document that would become Dei Verbum. In his 1966 autobiographical account of the Vatican II, Butler explains how he believed the Council needed to get “back to the source” of Revelation in order for the Church to present her message with the most meaning. In his words, an archaeologist presupposition became one of the “criterion” by which the Council’s acts were to be judged:

The pastoral aim, the instinct of a charity that goes beyond all boundaries, the sense of mission not so much to human nature or the abstract human species, but to human persons and the actually existing human family, demanded that our aggiornamento should be conceived of in depth. The consequent need to discriminate between what the Church must always be, what the Gospel forever is, and the contingent elements in which, at any given moment, the Church presents herself in history, was driving the Council to some criterion. And this drive took her gaze ever backwards, behind the counterrevolutionary Church, behind the Counter-Reformation, behind the medieval synthesis, back to the Church before the estrangement of East and West, to the Church before the confrontation with Greek culture and philosophy, to the primal source: to Christ in Palestine
Christ Himself is the fullness of divine revelation, and the content of the sacred tradition is just revelation, the Word of God made flesh. (6)

Several years later, with the progressive revolution in full swing and Pius XII safely in his grave, Butler was a little more candid and referred to the “accretions over the centuries” that the Council had thankfully swept away. (7) He expressed similar sentiments in his personal letters. In a revealing letter to his sister Mary Butler, he demonstrates how, far from viewing historical developments of tradition as parts of the Church’s identity, he saw them as the Church getting further and further from its primal roots, like a photocopy of a photocopy. These “remnants of past adaptations” have the effect of causing the Church to become “frozen.” But let us look at Butler’s words in context:


ever since the second century, the Church has been adapting herself to her age. In the second century she Europeanised herself having started as a Jewish thing. She learnt to think and express herself according to Greek philosophy. Then she Romanised herself (I might have added that, later still, she feudalised herself). She trails along with her remnants of these past adaptations. (I might have added that, since the Reformation she has frozen herself into the decadent medieval attitudes which she took up against the Reformers). For me renewal means not just a few changes in window dressing, but a radical return to her origins—not so that we become first century Palestinian Jews, but so that we may then ‘translate’ the fullness of the Gospel into terms relevant to our own age. (The Council can of course take only one or two tentative steps in the required direction; it will be for the Church to explore it further.)” (8)

Thus, the archaeologist theologian presumes a “radical return” to the attitudes of the first century will make the Gospel more “relevant” to the modern age. As to why the Christian attitudes of the first century are supposed to be more relevant than, say, the attitudes of the tenth of eighteenth centuries is never explained, but taken for granted. It is presumed that older is better because it is nearer to the source. Tradition is like a photocopy of a photocopy that degrades in quality with each successive incarnation, until a “radical return” to our origins is necessary to break free from the “remnants of past adaptations.”

Conclusion

Archaeologism, defined by Pius XII as an exaggerated antiquarianism, might at appear to be consonant with Catholic ecclesiology because it pays lip-service to the Church’s history and tradition. In reality, however, it denies the Church’s tradition because it proposes a drastically reductionist understanding of tradition as something limited to the initial traditio of the apostolic age. Unlike Cardinal Newman (who understood that Christianity as an idea could not but develop, and that these developments were essential expressions of Christian identity) archaeologism rejects many subsequent developments as “accretions” that hinder rather than express true Catholicity. Thus, the Church becomes an artifact that needs to be preserved and restored rather than a living reality that needs to be engaged in its historical fullness. The consequent removal of many traditional practices and elements from Catholic life result in a positive weakening of the Church’s ability to sanctify souls, because these practices were all instituted as a means to give glory to God and help the faithful in their Christian walk. The archaeologist presumes to strip down the Church to help the faithful; in reality, he strips down the resources of the faithful and wounds the Church.

“They are ever hunting for a fabulous primitive simplicity; we repose in Catholic fullness.” —Cardinal John Henry Newman

(1) Dei Verbum 8:1, CCC 98
(2) Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei, 59
(3) ibid. 62
(4) ibid. 64
(5) Matt. 28:20; John 16:13
(6) Basil C. Butler, OSB, The Aggiornamento of Vatican II, 1966, “Faith Magazine, July 2013
(7) See Basil C. Butler, OSB, A Time to Speak (Southend on Sea, 1972)
(8) Basil C. Butler, Letter to Miss Mary Butler, 3 October 1964


51 posted on 11/02/2022 2:56:13 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: jerod

Kindly get 1 ea. life.


52 posted on 11/02/2022 2:59:10 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: one guy in new jersey
It's not "adding to the liturgy" to tell people they're unworthy of touching the Body of Christ. Christ Himself established that they were. Let no man, especially one in vestments, tell them otherwise.

Man is worthy because Christ said so. Any ritual that strays from that truth is deeply flawed, regardless of any human justification.

53 posted on 11/02/2022 6:43:00 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

So. You’ve never. Have I guessed correctly?


54 posted on 11/02/2022 9:24:15 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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No need to guess. I’ve avoided the few opportunities that have presented themselves. I’ve found that when it comes to religion, the shinier it is, the more corrupt it is.


55 posted on 11/02/2022 9:35:19 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

Next chance you get, takes vacation from that advice you give yourself, and attend the Vetus Ordo mass on a Sunday morning. They are becoming rate these days but can still be found.


56 posted on 11/03/2022 3:15:12 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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(It’s BACK!) A PERFECT STORM —Mass of the Ages Episode 2— The story of the New Mass after Vatican II

Mass of the Ages: The Latin Mass TRILOGY
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This is the story of how the New Mass (Novus Ordo) was created after Vatican II. Join us for a surprising investigation into the machinations of Annibale Bugnini, and meet those who fought to preserve the Latin Mass against all odds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1cABhLc2o


57 posted on 11/03/2022 9:00:35 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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FIND A LATIN MASS NEAR YOU: https://tlmfinder.com


58 posted on 11/03/2022 9:02:23 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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Looks like an album cover from the band Coven. They did the song One Tin Solider.


59 posted on 11/03/2022 9:05:57 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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From our resident nevertrumper and what culture war siren

Expected


60 posted on 11/03/2022 9:08:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (Sound and Fury Republic now home to more than a few globalists who really love the mainstream media )
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