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The West may now have no option but to attack Iran
The Telegraph (London) ^ | December 28, 2023 | John Bolton

Posted on 12/29/2023 3:59:55 AM PST by Jim Noble

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To: ClearCase_guy

Re: 3 - we currently do need oil from the Middle East.

I believe we do and have needed that oil going back many decades.

That said, we do need to wean ourselves from Middle East oil. My guess is that it will take about 10-20 years. But we should start now.


21 posted on 12/29/2023 4:50:41 AM PST by Fury
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To: nuconvert
Why would you want to be left out of destroying the Islamic Republic of Iran?

Because the thesis - that the poor Persians are just waiting for the US to provide them with regime change AND that this is something that can be done with our existing resources AND that the resulting state will be better FOR THE UNITED STATES than what exists now is almost certainly false. This is the same deceptive neocon lie that has cost us thousands of lives, tens of thousands maimed, and a world less safe than when we started while distracting us from the border invasion which IS a national crisis.

Regime change in the Middle East? No thanks. Never again.

22 posted on 12/29/2023 4:51:32 AM PST by Jim Noble (The future belongs to those who show up)
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To: Jim Noble

We have people pushing for war with Russia. China appears to have invasion plans for Taiwan. And now people are pushing for war with Iran. Didn’t we have to pressure Japan to give back Patriot missile systems so we could give them to Ukraine. The USA seems to be in short supply of main weapon systems. What we still have is nukes. Is that the goal of the leftist depopulation crowd?


23 posted on 12/29/2023 4:52:19 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The United States of America is the most dangerous country on earth today.


24 posted on 12/29/2023 4:53:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Jim Noble

Neocon....... you got to interject “neocon” into your ignorance as if it was important


25 posted on 12/29/2023 4:53:25 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Hamasci de is required in totalhe)
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To: Jim Noble

Next to the big guy, the FR neocons’ favorite warmonger.


26 posted on 12/29/2023 4:56:37 AM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Jim Noble

27 posted on 12/29/2023 4:57:17 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Jim Noble
John Bolton. LOL.

It’s very telling that this loser’s reputation is in the dumpster even here on FR.

28 posted on 12/29/2023 5:02:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: bert

Bolton is Prince of the neocons, seemed like a good fit.


29 posted on 12/29/2023 5:03:27 AM PST by Jim Noble (The future belongs to those who show up)
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To: escapefromboston

Nope - Just like we don’t need the Palestinian ‘refugees’.


30 posted on 12/29/2023 5:06:57 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Jim Noble

Iowa National Guard Deploys Soldiers to Kosovo

Over 30 members of the Iowa National Guard are set to be deployed to the European nation of Kosovo this week.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/iowa-national-guard-deploys-soldiers-kosovo/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=iowa-national-guard-deploys-soldiers-kosovo


31 posted on 12/29/2023 5:08:12 AM PST by GailA (Land Grabs, poisoned food, KILL the COWS, Bidenomics=BIDEN DEPRESSION.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We need oil from the ME unless and until we resume extraction and production of our own petroleum products.

Drill, baby, drill.


32 posted on 12/29/2023 5:11:10 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: caww
“ US Pres. Biden in 'attack mode'”

So many things wrong with that picture. Is it actually Pedo Joe?
33 posted on 12/29/2023 5:11:46 AM PST by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: Rlsau1

Bolton is a huge backstabber.

He can go entertain himself.


34 posted on 12/29/2023 5:12:39 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: dforest

+1000!


35 posted on 12/29/2023 5:14:50 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: Jim Noble

“Because the thesis - that the poor Persians are just waiting for the US to provide them with regime change AND that this is something that can be done with our existing resources AND that the resulting state will be better FOR THE UNITED STATES than what exists now is almost certainly false”

Wow. I don’t have the time to correct all that’s wrong with that. If you keep looking at it as “regime change” instead of killing our enemy - the people who are still injuring & killing Americans - then it will never stop. Get the “regime change” meme out of your head.
They are the enemy. We’re being attacked. Apparently you want to sit back & watch.

Same goes for the border. We are being invaded & it’s a national crisis, I agree. But stopping the invasion doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t protect ourselves elsewhere.
We can walk & chew gum at the same time under the right leadership


36 posted on 12/29/2023 5:20:42 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: Jim Noble

They must do this, they must do that.

Dealing with Iran is simple. Next time the Iranians are behind an attack on US, respond by destroying taking out one of their leaders. Then, the next time take out another.
The third time ‘Iranian Parliament’ in the middle of a working day with multiple 2000lb bombs.

They understand force, certainly the ‘negotiations and payouts’ of Carter, Obama, and Biden have only made things worse.


38 posted on 12/29/2023 5:35:21 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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"Just after Christmas, however, Iran committed the classic “Washington gaffe” – i.e., telling the truth accidentally – when the Revolutionary Guard Corps reportedly described Hamas’s barbaric assault as “one of the acts of revenge for the assassination of General [Qassem] Soleimani by the US and the Zionists”. Hamas immediately denied the linkage, no more credibly than the Revolutionary Guard Corps’ subsequent effort to walk back its revealing “revenge” declaration...

The Biden administration, much of the media, and Iran’s propagandists will probably continue ignoring the reality of who is calling the shots in this conflict."

Well, the White Hospice and the MSM have certainly ignored the 'Washington Gaffe', because it was President Trump who took out Soleimani lululululuuuuu!

HE's coming back for more, you dirty Persian stone lickers!

39 posted on 12/29/2023 5:36:39 AM PST by StAnDeliver (TrumpII)
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To: nuconvert

“We’re being attacked” is a rant that rings hollow in a country that has been meddling in the affairs of other nations all over the face of the earth for decades. You don’t deliberately put people in harm’s way for no damn good reason … and then whine about it when they are — well, harmed.


40 posted on 12/29/2023 5:39:08 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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