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Posted on 09/06/2002 8:17:16 AM PDT by BADJOE
History teaches some very good lessons. They are hard to learn but our forefathers did a great job.
From the beginning of time man has overthrown one form of centralized government only to re-establish another one in its place. Our forefathers understood this far better than anyone ever had. They said governments are the eternal enemy of free men. They said that in order for man to remain free it would take a bloody revolution every other generation, unless you bound down (bastard) government with the chains of the constitution.
On another site this week a poster asked if anyone else hated government as much as he did. I replied to him
"Hell !! I thought you were not a good American if you didn't love our country and hate our government.
At least that is how I have always felt about it"
I think our forefathers had the same attitude that I have now. And I think it is inherent in the average Americans attitude to distrust and have disdain for any government, including ours. One of the hardest conclusions I had to arrive at as a young man, after having been a product of the public school system, was that our government was not on our side. As James Forrestahl, former secretary of the Navy, who suffered a mysterious death, once said about our State Department's foreign policy, " Stupidity is never a mark of consistancy. If they were merely stupid, they would occasionally make a mistake in our favor".
Newt Gringrich put it in a humourous manner when talking about the attitude of Europeans. He related the following story. If you go to Europe and drive on the Autobahn, you feel pretty good cruising down the highway at 100 mph when some some German passes you doing 140 mph. Now he said if the Bundestag passed the 55mph speed limit law, every German would dutifully obey that law, untill the next election. They would vote the 55 mph crowd out of office and the no speed limit crowd in. In America Newt said "A speed limit sign is a benchmark of opportunity.
It is obvious that Yankees and Euros have entirely different attitudes about government's edicts. There are darn few Americans who do not break the speed limit laws everyday.
Now we come to the Free Republic. Once a free wheeling, joyful site for news and discussion of politics, economics, philosophy, ethics and morals. I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared. Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?
Has FR been bought by the GOP behind the scenes? Are the two gung ho GOP moderators the go between to oversee and direct FR to be the power internet arm of GOP politcos?
Is there any other explanation?
Works fer me, especially at the Federal level...MUD
i hope the f*****g thing gets nuked !
PUH-leeeze, BADJOE, do you really believe one iota of what yer implying here?! SHEEEESH!!
"Are the two gung ho GOP moderators the go between to oversee and direct FR to be the power internet arm of GOP politicos? Is there any other explanation?"
I'm sure there are plenty and it's amazing how much JimRob lets you get away with...if it was my site, I reckon you'd be calling me a "Tyrant" or a "Sell-out", too, wouldn't you?!
Bump. Kudos to you sir.
I hope not...I'd like to see who actually agrees with this sorta krap!!
Instead of the GOP taking control, over the course of four years at this site I have seen FR go through changes in response to the political environment around it. We used to be defined by our common enemy, Clinton, and I worried what would happen to FR once Clinton was no longer in office. Then, JimRob decided that the conservative movement should fall in behind Bush during August 2000 because that was the only viable decision to make at the time, and he didn't want FR to be used as a platform for political sniping. Then, after 9/11, JimRob has become more supportive of Bush and his efforts to fight terrorism. Wars do that. However, I have at NO TIME felt that I was unable to criticize Bush and/or the GOP on FR without fear of censorship or banishment.
I've been carrying the water for the local Grand Old Party apparatchik for 10 years now (working phone banks, get-out-the-vote phone trees, planting yard signs, playing sound engineer at debates and press conferences, poll watching, etc.), and they've never bought me so much as a cup of coffee. (That's a lie - I did get a free Coke once that somebody couldn't get to fall out of a soda machine). Rotsa ruck finding the cancelled checks for the purchase of FR by THOSE cheapskates.
The moderation sucks, but everybody knows that now... what is this thread supposed to accomplish?
"I could not understand the transformation that has taken place in the last six months. Camaraderie, the sense of family, and cooperation seems to have disappeared."
Yer hangin' out on the wrong threads, my FRiend.
"Are the Freepers exhibiting the same disdain for the new FR as Americans have for our government?"
Except fer a number of disgruntled AFers on websites that no one reads, what the heck are you talking about.
SHEEEESH, dude, you sure can get cranky in the mornin'...MUD
Huh???? First they're Gestapo twins, now they're gung ho GOP moderator go betweens?? This sounds a little off base, BJ.
Did I come late to the dance or is there still a huge chip on your shoulder?
AND are you serious when you say you "HATE" OUR government???
A united front shall not be accomplished by squelching debate...I just think calling JimRob a "SELLOUT" is absolutely preposterous and I'd like to see who the heck agrees with BADJOE on this lunacy!!
Anyone have anything to go with this?
Hate can be a good thing, if properly channeled.
LOL! Still a bit fuzzy on the whole "Dark side" thing Darth?
It's that "being married now" thing, it keeps coloring the Dark Side a lighter shade of pale.
Answer: the architect(s) of these continuing psychodramas.
One thing I think you are missing here is that FR has been undergoing a transformation for 6 years, not 6 month. I think that all of the things you used to love about FR are still present, but they are harder to see through the clamor and smoke. FR is a meeting place of sorts; Jim provides the venue and occasionally tailors the conversation to suit his tastes. Although we act as though it is a public gathering, it is really an open private gathering. I miss the old days where I felt as though I knew all of the posters and we could argue freely. The point is that now there are over 80,000 registered Freepers and there needs to be some more direction and crowd control. Even with the minimal restrictions, it is still possible to find the things you like in Freerepublic, it just takes a little more effort.
Maybe that other board is the place where you need to do the old simple things you used to do here and FR is the place where you come for other thing? I dont mean that as a slam, just an observation. I have seen many changes here over the years, and I have also seen Jims approach over and over again. Sometimes I felt it was certain people having undue influence over him (and using him in the process) and others I felt were Jim just saying Hey its my house and this is how I want the game played. Never have I felt unwelcome to play, but sometimes I have been perturbed by how the game was going.
FR is and always will be a work in progress. Currently I think that it has become to visible not to have an impact, and because of this its agenda will get stronger. If it is promoting an agenda you can not live with then either step back and observe or try to influence the agenda yourself (this is for everyone). If you cant get what you want, well we all lose sometimes in life and it is best to be a gracious loser who returns to fight another day.
BADJOE, please Report Abuse and kill this spawn of yours!
I have one bumper sticker on my truck. It says "I love my country, I fear my government."
History also repeats itself...as it is doing on this very thread.
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