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2 lawmakers spurn Muslim's prayer - Republicans step off House floor
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | March 4, 2003 | ANGELA GALLOWAY

Posted on 03/04/2003 2:34:57 AM PST by sarcasm

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To: Illbay
They have no right to such personal expressions when they stand in that office.

So walking out and not participating in a group prayer is a personal expression of religion? And choosing to stay and bowing one's head in prayer isn't an expression of religion?

Of course they have a right to walk out. Whether they stay or they leave, they are expressing themselves, they are making a statement.

101 posted on 03/04/2003 6:10:50 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Eaker
As an American you ALWAYS have the right to walk out.

I'll have to remember to cite this doctrine next time the boss calls a boring staff meeting.

102 posted on 03/04/2003 6:12:50 AM PST by steve-b
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Here are my thoughts on the subject.

First off whom people put into office in an individual state is none of anybody else's concern. The people who were involved are there to serve their constituents not some conservative or christian appeaser from another state.

Secondly, what needs to be impressed upon here is that there are certain elements amongest us who want christians and conservatives punished for their beliefs and no amount of goverment force or whining on a message board is going to make christians or conservatives like myself hold hands or sing Kumbya with these enormously harmful elements if we don't want to.

This grandiose idea of chrisitans and conservatives singing Kumbya and holding hands with people of other political ideologies and religions is just not going to happen no matter how much someone on this message board wants it to happen.

And I can tell you that had I lived in one of those districts in Washington I would say to the freeper condamning those reps. "Screw you. You're not going to tell me who my representative is. You mind your own business in your own state.

Who these people put in office in their own state legislatures is their own decision and as far as I'm concerned is none of our freakin' business.
Regards.

103 posted on 03/04/2003 6:12:54 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.
The voters will decide.
104 posted on 03/04/2003 6:17:32 AM PST by eyespysomething (If you're runnin' down my country, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Please tell my which parts of my post were "spurious".

The part where you assume that legislators don't attend the opening session of the legislature because of bigotry. That's just a spurious argument.

Contrast it with the STAGED walkout by these to legislators. That WAS bigoted, and inappropriate. If they wanted to be appropriate, they would have stayed away altogether. That way their bigotry could have remained unnoticed.

105 posted on 03/04/2003 6:27:43 AM PST by Illbay
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Who is abrogating their religious freedom? No one.

You don't have the "freedom" to be insulting to others when you are a legislator. You represent all your constituents, not just those with whose religious tenets you agree.

106 posted on 03/04/2003 6:28:44 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Kevin Curry
So walking out and not participating in a group prayer is a personal expression of religion?

No. It's a personal expression of contempt for the practitioners of a specific religion, some of whom may well be their constituents.

That is highly inappropriate.

107 posted on 03/04/2003 6:30:05 AM PST by Illbay
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To: expatguy
Well, there is a significant number of U.S. Congresspersons--the Socialist Caucus--that advocates the same thing. What do you do about that?

Thank goodness they don't have a militant wing as Islam does.

Ummmmm.....socialists don't have a militant wing???

-Eric

108 posted on 03/04/2003 6:38:20 AM PST by E Rocc (sometimes all you can do is shake your head and wonder.)
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To: sarcasm
islam is a bloody cult and not even a religion.

Big hand to those that would not partake in it and know its a BS bloody cult.
109 posted on 03/04/2003 6:40:12 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Illbay
Who is abrogating their religious freedom?

You are, when you state that an elected representative does not have the right to "protest" by not attending a prayer which he does not want to hear.

If the constituents don't like his / her actions, they will remove him / her.

Re: Spurious: it was you who claimed bigotry, I simply stated that, as an extension, any others who remained away, or left during a prayer, must be, according to your logic, bigots and must be called upon to resign!

You don't have the "freedom" to be insulting to others when you are a legislator. ROFLMFAO

You represent all your constituents, not just those with whose religious tenets you agree.

True, but the "protestors" did not say they would not reperent thier constituents who where Muslims, they protested a Muslim prayer being offered in thier presence.

110 posted on 03/04/2003 6:41:30 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate
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To: Illbay
It would not be appropriate to ask the Church of Satan to offer a prayer

Why not? It's an officially recognized religion... or are YOU the ultimate determiner of what religion is acceptable and what is not?

111 posted on 03/04/2003 6:42:40 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Matt: "Ye should salt the Earth, lest it lose it's flavour")
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To: sarcasm
Good for them - real pillars of courage. They are in the same league as Tony Blair. I just hope their constituency appreciates such patriotism and courage.
112 posted on 03/04/2003 6:45:15 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: Giddyupgo
Here are a few passages from the Koran
You might want to hold onto those stones until you take a good look at Leviticus.

-Eric

113 posted on 03/04/2003 6:50:49 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: far sider; Illbay; piasa
piasa : The Christan God has a Son; the Muslim god does not.

Illbay : Neither does the Jewish.

far sider : Ooh. Good one.

Not so fast. They are the same God; the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the Father of Jesus Christ (Messiah).

Thus, the "Jewish" God has a Son.

The Jews are in denial that He's already been here once. According to Romans 11, that's only temporary; true Israel will be saved.

114 posted on 03/04/2003 6:57:58 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: sarcasm
Turning their backs would have been a good idea too.
115 posted on 03/04/2003 6:58:11 AM PST by Search4Truth (Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war.)
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To: Mulder
Actually, those were gov't operatives.

Myass.

116 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:25 AM PST by ppaul
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To: An.American.Expatriate; Illbay
You represent all your constituents, not just those with whose religious tenets you agree.

To "represent" does not mean to "condone" or "approve".

117 posted on 03/04/2003 8:01:49 AM PST by ppaul
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To: TLBSHOW
I couldn't agree more.
118 posted on 03/04/2003 8:13:24 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: sarcasm
"They're unable to distinguish between Islam as religion and way of life, and bad Muslims," said Joban, who has also given the opening prayer to the Senate.

This one is easy. Bad moslems live in peace with their neighbors and leave people alone. They don't kill their children for converting to another religion. Good moslems fly airplanes loaded with innocent people into skyscrapers loaded with innocent people. Good moslems also suicide bomb innocent people. Good moslems even go so far as killing their children who want to change religions.

119 posted on 03/04/2003 8:37:40 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Illbay
Contrast it with the STAGED walkout by these to legislators. That WAS bigoted, and inappropriate.

It is always correct to show disrespect for the enemy of your country.

Islam is the enemy and the war on terrorism will only end when there are no more good moslems. (We can live with the bad moslems) Islam must be crushed or it will enslave all free people.

120 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:05 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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