Skip to comments.Recent job ad: H1 transfers (Taking American Jobs)
Posted on 04/08/2003 12:45:08 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
I've been looking for a job for weeks without success. While searching on Dice.com, I found an ad targeting anyone with an H1 visa to transfer!
Whoever says workers on visas don't take jobs from Americans is smoking crack.
Foreign workers send money "home" thereby taking money out of the US economy. They take both old and new jobs away from Citizens. This might be fine during times of economic boom, but it's a shame during times like now.
Call and write your representatives in Congress asking them to, on an emergency basis, deny ALL H1 and L1 visas and related transfers. They may give you the excuse that they don't want to have the jobs shipped overseas, but don't accept that excuse. Ask them to impose heavy tarrifs or taxes on corporations that relocate thier IT work.
Tons of IT people have been out of work for some time now, and it's reached a boiling point.
I hate to say it, but I think we'll have more success with the Dems then the Pubbies.
(One thing the Pubbies are not considering is that many IT professionals are in fact incorporated and are small businesses.)
DICE Search results:
Title: H1 transfers Skills: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers
Date: 4-7-2003 Location: Edison, NJ Area code: 732
Tax term: FULLTIME Pay rate: DOE Length: permanent
Position ID: AS202 Dice ID: 10108743
Job description: We are looking for a qualified candidates who are looking to transfer their H1. The candidates will be interviewed in their respective fields by experts and if selected will be considered for further training conducted in house. Salary will be based on skills. Local candidates preferred but is not a limitation. Good communication skills required.
Requirements: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers Travel required: none Telecommute: no
He can't even get his French right. It should be
Vive La Dissention
Viva Le Dissention
To some degree, it is a government problem. But adding more intervention, in the form of tariffs and high taxes, will probably not help. Ideally, the government should not be involved at all, whether it is by issuing special visas or blocking entry to the country to protect "American" jobs.
If not for the health risks and tremendous security risks, I would favor open borders. I'm realistic enough to see the need to regulate entry into the country to make sure someone isn't smuggling in a nuke or a deadly contagious disease. Government has a legitimate role in defending the nation, so borders and border guards make sense.
But I don't think that immigration regulations should extend to distorting the labor market. No Amercian has the "right" to a job. And I'm saying that as someone who lives in Texas and faces the prospect of competition from immigrants from all over the world.
OK, so what is the reasonable pay for a "research laboratory technicians" with few years of college? Should they be able to afford car, get a loan for house or to support family?
"Your logic is flawed. No bussiness is forced to remain in the America. Governments do not control where a business conducts its business nor where it hires its employees. Business's are free to open shop in any country they choose to. They are sovereign. The U.S. is also a sovereign entity and as a sovereign entity must control immigration for the sole purpose of benefitting America and the American population. If limiting immigration is required because of unemployement it is the sovereign responsibility of the Federal government to do so. The government is for the people by the people. Something you apparently forgot. You can hire whoever you want, just take your company out of America and hire all the slaves you want. We don't need you importing your slaves to our country.
Why not to open borders completely then?
I do not agree. Family, community, tribe, nations are not mere values. They are the fundamental part of human nature as man is a social being. Undermine them and you will undermine the individuals and destroy the whole society.
It is an illusion can you can leave alone - being a true hermit is an extermely hard undertaking and not possible without some social support.
China and much of the Socialist 3rd World also like our policy of near unlimited immigration. And the Communists in Beijing would most certainly be in favor of totally removing any remaining obstacle to an unlimited, open border immigration policy for America. From there they could flood America with a few hundred million of their agents and take total control of our country without firing a shot.
You call yourself a capitalist...heh heh heh...no; at best you are a useful idiot for the Left who has little insight into human nature or history. At worse you are an open borders socialist masquerading as a capitalist.
You might be right in some sense, but remember that in the countries with which American workers will have to compete, governments provide cheap public transportation, subsidized shelter, primitive but free medical care etc. So a Chinese can manage by sharing communal appartment with other families, get to work on a bus or bicycle (roads are designed to facilitate this) and OUTCOMPETE American who will not be able to pay bills or support family.
I know, you think that it is not government duty to care about such petty local problem or follow national prejudice when the global market is the god.
Not to mention H-1B lab techs, nurses and physician's assistants. There was no one in my doctors office who didn't speak broken English (except the doctor, and I'm sure the provider group will find a way to offshore his job as well.)
They don't care about quality. They just want it cheap.
I don't look for this to happen any time soon, if at all. On the one hand, Republicans want an unending supply of cheap labor in the unskilled, and now professional job markets that large companies can put to good and profitable use. On the other, the Democrats want a steady stream of "oppressed third world victims of evil corporate greed", i.e., voters.
Either way it will turn the American middle class into a third world hovel living in a marginal level of poverty. The only question in my mind is: what will these companies do with their goods that no one will be able to afford domestically, and that no foreign country will want overseas? They may want out money, but they don't want our goods.
I have to concur, sad to say. I interviewed for an IT manager's job with a major manufacturer in southern California, only to discover during the course of three days of talks, that all the needed was someone to mind the store while they converted from an HP3000 to an Oracle system and move the whole operation to Sarawak.
Let's see. We don't manufacture anything anymore. We don't design anything anymore. We don't build anything anymore. We're getting so we don't service anything anymore. What's that leave?
I know. We're hell when it comes to lawsuits.
Yes, if you think that the national wealth accumulated though the generations is the sole property of the owners/employers (at least legally if not morally). Then of course course the workers who did not secure their share in the ownership lived "pretty high on the hog".
Now that borders and tarrifs and being eradicated in the name of free trade and the capital gets divorced from labor moves to other countries in search for profit, workers who lived "on the hog" have to be normalised with their Chinese or Indian counterparts.
Fine, but first:
India and especially China has national policy to reduce the disruption of the rapid change
Second the normalisation means for Chinese workers most of the time the raise in standard of living. This does not have to cause much destruction. But for Americans at the lower income/skill levels it can spell disaster. There is no infrastructure in America adjusted to the Chinese wages.
Do you know what I'm getting at?
And, since you and the others on this thread ( and like threads ) just moan & groan, about others and your sorry plight, instead of doing something about it...like looking for another job ( and YES, they ARE Out there, you just have to be willing to move, sometimes take a lower pay grade ), one can assume that YOU guys weren't all that hot at work. No wonder you are still having such problems.
And, no, a democratic REPUBLIC does NOT " owe it's citizens jibs, job gaurentees, nor keeping out those who can do the work. What you want is SOCIALISM ; which makes one wonder just why you're on a Conservative forum. ; ^ )
His employer did NOT give him a chance to get American citizenship. You don't know what you're talking about.
Americans can take jobs, that pay whatever it is and that isn't servitude.What the companies who make it off the backs of H1s do, is to con their employees. They wake up, after a while and get better paying jobs. That isn't " servitude ". Look up the meaning of the word.
Nowhere, did Gaas say anything about " open borders "; that's your own paranoia speaking, dear,
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