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Recent job ad: H1 transfers (Taking American Jobs)
Dice.com

Posted on 04/08/2003 12:45:08 PM PDT by 1stFreedom

Folks,

I've been looking for a job for weeks without success. While searching on Dice.com, I found an ad targeting anyone with an H1 visa to transfer!

Whoever says workers on visas don't take jobs from Americans is smoking crack.

Foreign workers send money "home" thereby taking money out of the US economy. They take both old and new jobs away from Citizens. This might be fine during times of economic boom, but it's a shame during times like now.

Call and write your representatives in Congress asking them to, on an emergency basis, deny ALL H1 and L1 visas and related transfers. They may give you the excuse that they don't want to have the jobs shipped overseas, but don't accept that excuse. Ask them to impose heavy tarrifs or taxes on corporations that relocate thier IT work.

Tons of IT people have been out of work for some time now, and it's reached a boiling point.

I hate to say it, but I think we'll have more success with the Dems then the Pubbies.

(One thing the Pubbies are not considering is that many IT professionals are in fact incorporated and are small businesses.)

DICE Search results:

Title: H1 transfers Skills: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers

Date: 4-7-2003 Location: Edison, NJ Area code: 732

Tax term: FULLTIME Pay rate: DOE Length: permanent

Position ID: AS202 Dice ID: 10108743

Job description: We are looking for a qualified candidates who are looking to transfer their H1. The candidates will be interviewed in their respective fields by experts and if selected will be considered for further training conducted in house. Salary will be based on skills. Local candidates preferred but is not a limitation. Good communication skills required.

Requirements: JAVA, J2EE, EJB, oracle, DB2, SQL Server, Seibel, .net, VB, ASP, peoplesoft, CRM, Business analyst, 21 cfr PART 11, QA testers Travel required: none Telecommute: no


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To: dfwgator
I don't understand why age would be a factor in hiring a contractor if the company doesn't have to worry about the contractor's benefits.

Because the common perception is that an older contractor is a "flight risk". That is, they are doing contracting only until they can find a full time job, at which point they will bail on the contract. So in general, it is hard to become a contractor once you are over 40. Now, if you start as a contractor in your 30's and have a track record -- then you are okay.

51 posted on 04/08/2003 1:23:13 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: bvw
Fair enough. My organization has petitioned for H1-B on occasion (never for techies, though) and we follow the law to the letter.
53 posted on 04/08/2003 1:24:41 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
>>Good point. No one wants to rely on good graces of "government intervention", or union representation. However, when the government has already intervened in the market, that should be reversed. The government has already put 300,000 "Job For Sale - CHEAP! benefits - US Green Card! Hurry and apply now!" signs out per year (including NAFTA visas, H1B, and a few other classes). What's more, the government is only targeting one group of citizens .. on class of citizens.

You hit the nail on the head. As a small business owner, I do not like government intervention. My business is suffering as a result of Government intervention by allowing the flooding of the market with cheap labor.
54 posted on 04/08/2003 1:24:53 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: timm22
Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood.

Horse crap....End the immigration disaster and the national security time bomb......

55 posted on 04/08/2003 1:24:59 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: bvw
We never have lacked nationally for muscle-powered labor, nor have we been hurt nationally for getting it cheap from other countries. But it is silly to open up our national brain pan and drain it away, leaving us nationally a resource of only service workers and consumers, while other nations develop their intellect (H1) and capital (L1) at our expense.

Well if it's good enough for a construction worker then it's good enough for you.

56 posted on 04/08/2003 1:25:49 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: Born to Conserve
You made more money then you were worth, now you're going to get what you're worth and no more.

Setting an government induced, arbitrary value on one's worth is a left-liberal position. The government created the problem by advertising IT and other technical jobs to foreign nationals, offering the enticement of a green card to all comers.

How are American kids supposed to afford a $100,000+ college degree on a maximum salary of $60-70K a year?

"Markets" are about supply and demand. When domestic supply is artifically reduced through government intervention, demand will be filled by third parties (foreign nationals).

It is arrogant or ignornant to blame this guy, when you ignore the government's long standing role in flipping the IT labor market on it's head. IT IS NOT THE US GOVERNMENTS ROLE to resolve a perceived labor-supply crisis by using GOVERNMENT ASSETS (i.e. H1 visa's ) to benefit one class of American's (IT Pimps and Managers like you) over others (the average American IT worker).

Why don't YOU go home to the Democrat party. Every IT Job Pimp I've every met has been a card-carrying left-wing Democrat, especially those supplying the government labor market.

57 posted on 04/08/2003 1:26:34 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: gedeon3
I am a programmer with lots of skills, have been back to school to learn new technology, and still can't find a job in IT. It is useless to learn new technology when every employer requires 2, 5, 8, 10 or more years of experience. Nobody is willing to take somebody who just learned the technology. As far as pay goes, I have offered my services for as little as 10 dollars an hour with no lock

For IT recruiters now, it's a buyer's market. They jack up the qualifications to the point where they want someone who knows everything there is to know in the IT field, knowing full well that no such person exists. They have unrealistic expectations, and think that a certification or degree counts for more than real-world experience. Some of us have been so busy actually doing the work that we haven't had time to take the test to get a piece of paper that says we know what we know.

I've been in IT for almost 7 years now, and I am between jobs. I work for a Staffing firm who has kept me pretty busy over the last 15 months, with very little down-time. There is a position in the works for me, which if it happens, will mean I take a pay cut, but it's work, and beats the heck out of unemployment. it will also expand my skillset, and possibly give me the opportunity to take some cert exams and add to my certs. It's tough right now for everyone, but it will get better. That's the optimist in me talking....

58 posted on 04/08/2003 1:26:35 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: BillinDenver
You raise a good point. The H1 program is not in itself a ripoff. However, certain market conditions have changed and warrant a review of the occupations covered under this program. There are still severe shortages in non-IT occupations such as those in health care.
59 posted on 04/08/2003 1:27:08 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: timm22
The Government is already involved...by creating the VISA PROGRAM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

It isn't about skills, it's about getting around the issue of the cost of living (surviving) in the US versus the desire for cheap labor - legal or illegal.

Greed is apolitical. It is neither Democrat or Republican or Libertarian or whatever.

I'm a free market capitalist of the first order but if you think that the "market" in the US represents a "free market" just check out what the leadership of Delta Airlines did to ensure their retirement benefits in the event of bankruptcy. If you think that Corporate Management is accountable to stockholders, the SEC, the Government or the even the law, you're on something.

The results of our "free market" are writ large in the lines at the unemployment office and the price of stock.

Take your comments about education, salary, experience, field of work and put 'em where they belong (same place as a suppository)!

P.S. I've done all of the above and it sucks!

60 posted on 04/08/2003 1:27:35 PM PDT by johncatl
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To: 1stFreedom
Part of the problem with the H1's are the way they take advantage of the Visa holders. In the current IT economy, it is almost impossible for an H1 Visa holder to find another company to sponsor his Visa. So an employee with a Visa sponsor is practically in a form of indentured servitude to his employer, with the promise of a Green Card seen as the big payoff making it worth while.

Then, when the visa expires, the company can send a fully trained worker back to India. If they have Indian facilities (and a large number of companies do now), the job will travel back to India where they can pay less than a quarter the salary and STILL be comparatively generous by the standard of living in India. Net result, one job lost in America, one job gained in India.

Now of course, we're not in zero sum economies. Smart companies are going to go after enough business to hire both Indians and Americans, because they want to grow as large as they can.

But when the times get tough, it's the American jobs that become expendable, because they have a larger impact on the bottom line. And this is definitely NOT the story told by either politicians or IT companies when our national visa policy is defended.
61 posted on 04/08/2003 1:27:51 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Gaas
Congratulations! But your comments only reinforce what we are saying here. If there were no types from other countries, then the job you have would belong to an american. And don't give me no garbage that the job you do, could only be done by you or some other foreing type.
62 posted on 04/08/2003 1:29:01 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
They can be penalized big time for this. They have to offer jobs to American workers first.

Opps.. you forgot to add the < /sarcasm > tag. There is no penalty enforced for a practice that the government explicitly encourages via imigration and tax law.

63 posted on 04/08/2003 1:29:08 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: bigfootbob
Out here Microsoft tells us the reason they hire so many from H1-B pool, is because our schools are not preparing our students adequately so they can do these jobs.

Why should the schools prepare the students adequately? Or better yet, why should Microsoft do the training they need if they can just get a cheap handout from the government?

64 posted on 04/08/2003 1:29:30 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: 1stFreedom
The IT group is taking it on the chops the same way engineers did about 5-10 years ago.

HOWEVER, I have been told that in the Milwaukee area, all USGovernment suppliers (Blue Cross, Wisconsin Physicians' Group) are NOT accepting resumes unless the candidate is a US Citizen.

Apparently the Feds 'put out the word' recently, at least to some organizations.

Ergo, for you, health-system providers, manufacturers who supply the Feds (even indirectly) and, of course, security-providers, should be a fertile field, assuming any of them are hiring in your area.
65 posted on 04/08/2003 1:30:10 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: timm22
Perhaps a better idea would be to improve your job skills, lower your asking price, or find a new line of work, instead of relying on government intervention for your livelihood

What an absolute pant load ... it WAS the gubmint that started this STUPID program now they need to stop it ... and stop it NOW

66 posted on 04/08/2003 1:31:04 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Credo Quia Absurdum)
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To: timm22
Perhaps you should be familiar with the technology.

His skills are current.

At what point in the bankruptcy process does the Constitutional mandate to "provide for the common good" kick in for you, cheapo??
67 posted on 04/08/2003 1:32:12 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Mr. Bird
Well the big companies that use many, many H1B's have the art of advertising positions (narrow-casting) and filling out the paperwork to a "t" down very well, and that effort pays down many a US law student's debt load.
68 posted on 04/08/2003 1:34:36 PM PDT by bvw
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To: dark_lord
You speak the gospel truth, and you know what? If the GOP doesn't get its collective head straight on this dynamite issue (re: greying IT generation), they're going to find their political legs cut out from under them. I won't support any politician who supports an open ended, non-controlled H1 (NAFTA, et. al.) immigration policy. Do we need to keep the H1B door open? Certainly. However, at the moment, there is no door at all. If ol' Ulsamma and his buddies want to get into the USA, the shortest, quickest way is to put "Programmer" on their application.
69 posted on 04/08/2003 1:34:42 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: PuNcH
"Why should the schools prepare the students adequately? Or better yet, why should Microsoft do the training they need if they can just get a cheap handout from the government?"

You answered the question quite well.

70 posted on 04/08/2003 1:34:47 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: dfwgator
Also technological changes means that there is a need for fewer programmers, and that these programmers can be located anywhere in the world.

This is a common misperception, and part of the problem. The fact is, only 30% of software projects are successful. Why? Because (here is the real reason) the vast majority of managers of software projects don't know what the heck they are doing.

The managers are themselves people who might understand, in a general way, the business -- but most of the time the manager assigned is assigned because they are the manager that is least needed. They know nothing of gathering requirements. They couldn't tell you the difference between functional and nonfunctional requirements, or why they are important. They don't understand how facilitation techniques aid in requirements gathering. They don't understand design. They don't know how to translate requirements to design. They don't know how to translate design to code. They don't understand the need for testing and never budget for it. They don't know why regression testing is needed and what happens if automated testing is not funded.

They just go - oh, hire some Java jockeys who know J2EE, use the web application server du jour, and get some Oracle guys. By the way - we need the system in 3 months.

People who just know the programming language and the tools can no more build a system than you can take a bunch of guys who have two years experience as carpenters, cementers, electricians and plumbers and say - guys, go build me a 10 story building. Yeah, that'll work. NOT!

71 posted on 04/08/2003 1:37:10 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: dfwgator
I don't understand why age would be a factor in hiring a contractor if the company doesn't have to worry about the contractor's benefits.

MONEY

+10 years' experience is more expensive

Over 40 years of age means higher health-insurance premiums, either now or next year

No obligation for 7 1/2% Social Security contrib, 401(k), FUCA, SUCA, and a few other tidbits for contractors.

Summarily, forgetting any salary difference, these numbers add up to about 10% hit in overhead compared with el-cheapo H1 or under-30 kid.

72 posted on 04/08/2003 1:38:01 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Gaas
>>Please man! Grow up!

Another asenine response.

>> I came to this country on a H1. I am an Oracle, SQL Server and Unix specialist. I had to work 10 times harder than you to get and keep a job.

Baloney. Maybe to leave your own country you might have had to do this. (Unfortunately) I have been in on hiring processes for H1. Many times it was simply an issue if they could speak english clearly enough and could answer basic technical questions they were hired. The saddest part was that the companies were charging $100 - $125 an hour and paying the H1s like 40k a year.

>>I do not send any money out of the US.

You are probably the exception to the rule.

>> We WILL take your job from you if you are not good enough for it!

It's not a question of being good enough.

>> If you can't stand the heat, get out of the cafe!

Ok, if we eliminate the H1 and green card program, you'll be the one standing the heat and have to go back to work for rice or beans in your hellhole of a country.

>>I had to do the jobs of the Americans that I worked with because they were not...think that they were paid enough to work long hours!

Nobody is disputing the dedication, education level, and ambition of the average H1 worker. I've worked with plenty and the are excellent employees and individuals as well. They simply need to work in their own country OR immigrate and become citizens.

73 posted on 04/08/2003 1:38:27 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: gedeon3
I've got it a little easier. Made a slew out of one successful start-up...and I'm published. Published a number of technical articles in magazines like JavaPro and Java Developer's Journal, and I wrote a programming book.

So getting work is pretty easy for me. I got people falling over to offer me work, and I've been off for a year just taking a load off, doing some side stuff I've always wanted to do.

Want them to still come looking for you? PUBLISH!

74 posted on 04/08/2003 1:38:52 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: gedeon3
Who was the president in the mid 90's?.

Who was the president last couple years? Does he give a hoot?

75 posted on 04/08/2003 1:39:44 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: AAABEST
It intervened on behalf of donor tech corporations and lied to us when they said the reason was a labor shortage.

RIngs a bell. Weren't the big floodgates opened during X42's regime?

76 posted on 04/08/2003 1:40:07 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
My best friend and a cousin graduated college at that time with engineering degrees. They both lived in Souther Cal. Man, the military cuts killed the engineering industry at that time. One works in IT, and the other works as a mechanic at a TDK plant.
77 posted on 04/08/2003 1:40:46 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: Gaas
Welcome to America ... now go home
78 posted on 04/08/2003 1:41:03 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Credo Quia Absurdum)
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To: bigfootbob
Out here Microsoft tells us the reason they hire so many from H1-B pool, is because our schools are not preparing our students adequately so they can do these jobs.

If this is true reason, then maybe American students should go to India and China to get world class education. This way they will have much smaller debt and will get job upon return, or will they?

79 posted on 04/08/2003 1:42:07 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: dark_lord
No, now they go "Hire some Indians and outsource it".

Problem is, they forget the old adage, "you get what you pay for".

Having seen three projects that involved Indian and Pakistani programmers go down in flames (not my projects, thank God!), I had to laugh.

Most Indians and Pakistanis I've worked with have been pathetically bad programmers. I'd say that half the American programmers I've worked with are bad, and 2/3 or more of Indians and Pakistanis are bad.

Programming is difficult, regardless, but I've found that Indians are some of the worst I've ever seen (and these are people with advanced degress...Masters and Ph.D.'s in Comp. Sci.)

Russians can be good, but not any better than Americans.

I'll take American programmers anyday. Regardless of cost.

80 posted on 04/08/2003 1:43:03 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: gedeon3
Who was the president in the mid 90's?.

Who controlled the House and Senate in the mid 90's?

81 posted on 04/08/2003 1:44:00 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: bigfootbob
Out here Microsoft tells us the reason they hire so many from H1-B pool, is because our schools are not preparing our students adequately so they can do these jobs.

Appreciate your honest perspective, and Microsoft's too. However, how many American's will pay the $100K plus cost of a college education for an entry level salary of < $50K. They'll be paying their college loans the rest of their lives.

Moreover, the "blame the schools" game doesn't hold water. If Gates-ware gave a damn about it, they'd fund pilot School-Choice programs around the country, instead of supporting the teacher's unions. More kids are coming from private and home schooling backgrounds, and most of our colleges are still first-rate.

No, this is a classical "supply and demand" economic problem. The H1B program was introduced due to a very temporary blip in the IT market during the rapid ramp-up from UNIVACs and 370's to desktop-supercomputing, internet connected power (1985-2000). What the H1B program will do is permanently destroy the US market for domestic IT labor.

82 posted on 04/08/2003 1:45:54 PM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Gaas
When I came here I worked for pennies while you were making $200 per hour! I am doing my part for this country.

Making pennies you do not contribute much to the country budget, you enriched your employer who paid you with the chance of getting the citizenship. Americans cannot compete with such arrangement as they are not allowed to enter into servitude contract.

Now, are you proposing to open American boders to everyone?

83 posted on 04/08/2003 1:46:20 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
If the US Government does not control the Visa IT labor, there will be no American's in the business in 5 years.

...slightly off-topic...

We are also watching the US manufacturing base exit to the 3rd world.

At this time, the stampings business is exiting rapidly.

Price may be better--but when we lose all the toolmaker skills, WHO will manufacture military equipment??

84 posted on 04/08/2003 1:47:27 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
RIngs a bell. Weren't the big floodgates opened during X42's regime?

They were opened when the Republicans gained control of the House and the Senate.

85 posted on 04/08/2003 1:48:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PuNcH
It's an area that is ever in contention, and perhaps should be. Just like tariffs.

If me be benevolent dictator, then would I set tariffs not only to protect fledgling industries, but as well to equalize the transfer of legal and policy costs -- and then considering legal and policy transfers, I might even set tariffs to encourage (nicely or meanly, matters not which) such transfers of beneficent laws. For example, our environemntal laws, that require effluent not poison the neighborhood stream are a cost, yet some developing nations don't heed the regulation, poison their streams and give us the cheaper good on that account. I would set a tariff to avoid imports costed low on this account. On the other hand, many environmental laws and regs are wacko, and I'd have no tariff to encourage imports in such cases.

Likewise in labor and services -- we should set a tariff rather than run a silly paperwork program (H1, L1). That is an extra income tax extracted on Inidan labor. That would equalize the policy difference -- in India the technical schools and colleges are socialist -- tuition paid for by the State. That puts our young technologists and engineers are a GREAT disadvantage in competition. As already pointed out on thread, our students come out of school with a debt burden that -- it alone -- makes them uncompetitive with imported labor.

86 posted on 04/08/2003 1:49:28 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
But when you inject the green card, there's a wholesale discount on the foreign nation, no American can compete, regardless of education, background, skills, or work ethic.

It means that government distributes the green cards/US citizenship to private employers to be used as part of wage and a way to have indentured workers.

87 posted on 04/08/2003 1:49:40 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole
"If this is true reason, then maybe American students should go to India and China to get world class education"

If our Governor had his way that would happen or at least we would adopt China's teaching methods. He sends his wife to China annually to observe their teaching methods to include into her "Early Childhood Learning Initiative". Thankfully we have a dedicated group of Republican women who dog this committee and has been successful stifling their influence. So far.

As far as getting a job, forget about it. Our state chased away Boeing and many other employers. Last I heard we are the #2 unemployed state in the nation after Oregon, another "enlightened" state.

88 posted on 04/08/2003 1:50:32 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: 1stFreedom
I do not like government intervention. My business is suffering as a result of Government intervention by allowing the flooding of the market with cheap labor.

I'm troubled with the content of this post (and others too numerous to mention) for a variety of reasons.

To begin, I'm unsure when it happened, but many folks in the United States, have begun to feel some sort of entitlement to work, as if it is their right as a citizen to be employed. This, unfortunately, is entirely anti-capitalistic and the exact sort of thinking that created fat government programs like unemployment and welfare.

Second: You can't find work, sorry. I'm unsympathetic. There are other suppliers that are willing to supply their labor at a cheaper price. Deal with it. This is capitalism at work. This is what made America an economic superpower. As a true capitalist, I feel the government should have absolutely no restrictions on labor. If a foreign immigrant from Taiwan wants my job and is willing to do an effective job at half my salary, I fully expect my employer to fire me and hire the immigrant.

I want only what I deserve, and nothing more. Not only do I not want charity, I view those people, such as you, that demand charitable hand outs as a matter of right to be one of the most subversive and damaging influences to America today. It's the people that claim to be conservative that undermine everything for which conservatism stands. This is the reasons why the Right Wing has been split into factions too splintered and numerous to ever reconcile.

That sad lot is that the hard-hearted capitalists and advocates of greed and reason--the people that truly made America the greatest Nation on this Earth--have been replaced with feel good whiners who claim to be conversative capitalists but complain when the competition gets the best of them and wishes other taxpayers to subsidize their income.

I know you don't like me. I know you hate me. I don't mind. I don't seek to communicate to people like you. You are beyond help and reason. I seek to reach the people that have yet to be sucked into the self-created void socialism and "entitlement." They are out there, and they do not need to be won, but merely identified.

90 posted on 04/08/2003 1:55:52 PM PDT by Viva Le Dissention
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To: 1stFreedom
Was that when Northrop closed up--and so did Pfister-Price (as part of Black & Decker?)

I'm afraid that if current trends continue, they MAY find decent work in Iraq--but not quite so much beachfront.
91 posted on 04/08/2003 1:57:37 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: 1stFreedom
bump
92 posted on 04/08/2003 1:59:10 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: gedeon3
No job should BELONG to an American. It is an open market
and let demand drives the market. I thought this is the conservative way of thinking.

Just ask WHY so many unpatriotic companies hire so many H1 people. Just ask WHY so many unpatriotic American companies move manufacturing overseas. Ask WHY so many unpatriotic hospitals hire foreign nurses.

One of my customers who is a small business owner says best "Nobody wants to spend a cent more than he/she has to"
93 posted on 04/08/2003 1:59:46 PM PDT by color_tear
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To: Non-Sequitur
Equal-Opportunity Prostitutes.
94 posted on 04/08/2003 2:00:06 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: bvw
You have articulated the position of Patrick J Buchanan: FAIR trade, not FREE trade.
95 posted on 04/08/2003 2:01:53 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
If one is intellegent and hard working, than employment is not a problem.

Go start an I.T. union, crybaby.
96 posted on 04/08/2003 2:01:58 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ninenot
Price may be better--but when we lose all the toolmaker skills, WHO will manufacture military equipment??

It will be done in China, while the soldiers will be Latinos who want to get citizenship.

97 posted on 04/08/2003 2:02:45 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: bigfootbob
If our Governor had his way that would happen or at least we would adopt China's teaching methods.

He, he. Communist teaching methods (and pricing). I wonder how do they get ahead of Americans in learning the newest software skills :)

98 posted on 04/08/2003 2:04:38 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: 1stFreedom
The world economy for intellectual jobs is here and it ain't going away. The Internet has ended most white-collar-USA-jobs-only. Sorry. Try looking for work in another industry.

BTW, I was replaced by a guy half my age and have been a contractor since. Try finding a new permanent job in ANY industry if you're over 45...

99 posted on 04/08/2003 2:04:44 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Viva Le Dissention
>>To begin, I'm unsure when it happened, but many folks in the United States, have begun to feel some sort of entitlement to work, as if it is their right as a citizen to be employed.

The right to work is a GOD given right my friend, not a capitalistic right.

>>Second: You can't find work, sorry. I'm unsympathetic. There are other suppliers that are willing to supply their labor at a cheaper price. Deal with it.

It's not an open bid situation. I'd work as cheap as an H1 if given the chance. Get the point?

>>, that demand charitable hand outs as a matter of right to be one of the most subversive and damaging influences to America today.

Ok a@@hole, get this:
1. I do not collect unemployment compensation.
2. I've been self employed for 3 years now. I AM PART OF WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY.
3. I have no health insurance for my family and REFUSE to go on medicade/medicare because it isn't the States responsibity. Health insurance in NY is outrageous for small groups/individuals (Blue Cross wants $1700 a month for a decent family plan.) I'll just have to pay cash for services or get billed for medical services. So, no, I'm not looking for handouts or charity.

I, a@@hole, am not taking from others pockets. So take that and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

>>You are beyond help and reason.

You are the one who is unreasonable here. Nobody is promoting entitlements. Well, you are entitling yourself to speak for a@@holes I would say.

100 posted on 04/08/2003 2:05:26 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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