Posted on 09/04/2003 8:51:55 AM PDT by Polycarp
My anger over the pathological nature of "legal" baby killing and the individuals on these threads who see Hill's crime as somehow "worse" than that of the baby killers has led me to say things on these threads that I don't really believe, just to point out the rank hypocrisy and stupidity of certain posters on these threads.
I've made my points. I'll stop using bitter sarcasm and cynicism now and state clearly:
1)Hill murdered an abortionist, and deserved the punishment meeted out to him by the state. The state has the right, recognized in 2000 years of Christian moral theology, to impose capital punishment. But In all honesty, I have reservations about the death penalty.
2) Abortion may be "legal" but it is still a crime against humanity. Though it would be unjust to try them, by ex-post-facto prosecution once abortion is again made illegal, abortionists still must pay some measure of justice for their crimes. Revoking their licences and general social ostracizing would be minimum and insufficient justice.
3) Vigiliante "justice" and ex-post-facto law cannot be tolerated in a civil society. However, neither can judicial tyrrany and legislation by judicial fiat. Civil rebellion against judicial tyranny and legislation by judicial fiat is not now unwarranted. However, it may in the future be necessary. In the context of innevitable future civil rebellion against judicial tyranny and legislation by judicial fiat it is very likely that certain individuals might engage in vigilantism and ex-post-facto justice. Don't say I didn't tell you so.
4)In the current situation of pathological legalized violence in the form of "legal" baby murdering, everyone must understand that violence will always beget more violence, outside of the abortion clinics. Expect more cases like Hill. It is axiomatic that the violence of "legal" abortion will beget further violence, usually among the intellectually/emotionally/psychologically unstable.
5) Because it is axiomatic that violence, even the violence of "legal" abortion, will always beget further violence, it is evidence of gross ignorance of human nature and Natural Law that certain folks express surprise and dismay at the actions of someone like Hill.
6) Furthermore, to express more outrage at Hill's crime than the pathological violence ("legal" abortion) that precipitated Hill's crime is a symptom of a culture that has completely lost its moral compass and is on the straight and narrow path to self destruction.
Ping. (As usual, if you would like to be added to or removed from my "conservative Catholics" ping list, just send me a FReepmail. Please realize that some of my "ping" posts are long.)
Ok, now Paul Hill was simply involved in "civil rebellion"? You don't know when to quit, do you?
While an argument can be made that Paul Hill was wrong to do what he did, anyone who claims that his crime was worse than the activities of men who daily murdered innocent children for profit has indeed lost their moral compass.
Here's something else "Not" to not respond. Any contrarian views?
Interesting wording.
Guess so, according to the warped logic of the author.
Yesterday he argued that it is morally right to kill abortionists (loosely quoted)
The 9/11 hijackers were not motivated in reaction to judicial activism that eroded the Constitutionally guaranteed right to life.
They were motivated by a desire to destroy all vestiges of the Constitution, not just the now-attenuated right to life.
This is exactly what I've noticed in some posts. There is almost a glee, a giddiness evidenced by some that this man was executed (and well he SHOULD have been). But what worries me is that I don't see nearly the concern for the lives that are snuffed out everyday and I don't see nearly the indignation toward the perpetrators--abortionists.
Like you, I would IN NO WAY encourage people to take the law into their own hands; God has appointed the civil magistrate (whether we like them or not) to that end. So Hill was totally wrong to kill for his "beliefs."
HOWEVER, I do think that the comparison between him and Al Quaeda is not on target. In Hill's mind, he was preventing an abortionist (who HAD been murdering babies) from doing so again; he wasn't randomly attacking "innocents" for the shock value usually sought for by terrorists.
Hill was a mistaken fool, who brought God's judgment on his head by overreaching and taking unlawful liberties to mete justice out on his own. Having said that, though, I'm actually taken aback by the sheer vehemence and joy with which many talk about Hill burning in Hell and so forth but not one accompanying word about whether the abortionists will do likewise.
I said: "Hill murdered an abortionist, and deserved the punishment meeted out to him by the state. The state has the right, recognized in 2000 years of Christian moral theology, to impose capital punishment.
"it is axiomatic that violence, even the violence of "legal" abortion, will always beget further violence, it is evidence of gross ignorance of human nature and Natural Law that certain folks express surprise and dismay at the actions of someone like Hill.
You will probably be the very first one to express surprise and dismay at the level of anger and retribution meeted out if and when a rebellion against judicial tyranny occurs. While I neither condone nor encourage it, I can see it coming.
I won't be surprised, because I understand the axiom that abortion violence will always beget further violence.
Interesting use of the phrase "civil rebellion." Hill seemed to be quite proud when he bragged at his last press conference that he kept shooting at the abortion doc until the doc stopped moving. In fact, he seemed to get a certain amount of enjoyment out of it, judging by the broad smile on his face.
I put you in the same category as Hill.
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