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All Segways recalled
AP ^ | 9/26/2003

Posted on 09/26/2003 9:48:33 AM PDT by presidio9

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:41:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The maker of the Segway Human Transporter has agreed to recall the motorized scooters because riders have been injured falling off when its batteries are low. The Consumer Product Safety Commission announced the recall Friday, saying that three people had been injured. One suffered a head wound and needed stitches.


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To: discostu
I still seem to remember hearing that the woman who claimed the loss of use of her husband as being slated to get a monetary reward.
Do you remember, was she slated for it and they proved she was full of malarkey?
101 posted on 09/26/2003 11:42:58 AM PDT by Darksheare (Begone ye typo demons!! Begone from these dimensions and leave us aolne! I said laeve us aolne! Darn)
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To: r9etb
is it easier to walk?"

Depends on whether you are young an healthy. I suspect this is far more practical and mobile than motorized wheelchairs for folks who can stand but can't walk easily. I look for this to catch on as the boomers get older.

102 posted on 09/26/2003 11:47:31 AM PDT by js1138
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To: discostu
Wasn't this the thing that the inventor said cities would be built around? *snicker*
103 posted on 09/26/2003 11:48:52 AM PDT by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Darksheare
I don't think she was slated for any money, she sued and pretty much got snickered out of court. With McD's it's pretty easy to tell what the deal is, if they think a claim is even mildly legit they'll settle out of court, if they don't settle expect the person to get crushed by McD's attorneys (who are very expensive and very good).
104 posted on 09/26/2003 11:52:14 AM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: discostu
I said I agreed with you why it would probably fail. Yes, plugging in the sucker in the middle of nowhere is a problem.

But you don't go repelling down a cliff without sufficient rope either. Or hiking without water. Pick an analogy.

Yes, the gyros need power to keep it upright. Not too much you can do about that, except to be in a position to not to be on it when the juice expires.

The assumption of no common sense is but another nail in the coffin of what used to be a pretty good society.

105 posted on 09/26/2003 11:53:28 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Green Knight
Actually to Kamen's credit he's not the one that said that, some other shlub (Gates, Jobs, somebody he showed it to) said that after they got a private viewing. I don't think Kamen has the kind of long view to contemplate things like that, he's a gadgeteer with flair and skill and has a lot of contagious enthusiasm but that's about his limit.
106 posted on 09/26/2003 11:54:29 AM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: discostu
OKers.
Thanks again.
107 posted on 09/26/2003 11:57:00 AM PDT by Darksheare (Begone ye typo demons!! Begone from these dimensions and leave us aolne! I said laeve us aolne! Darn)
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To: Calvin Locke
But with the Segway's limited range, and severe problem with hills (a few months ago one was taken up some big hill and given the number of battery changes it looked like a 30% grade resulted in about 90% degredation of efficiency) it's practical range is still guess work. So running out of juice, especially when still learning the device's capabilities, could be fairly common place. Same kind of thing happened with early cars, and people STILL run out of gas sometimes even decades later.

But there IS something they could have done (and are now doing) to make running out of juice graceful instead of potentially catostrophic. All you've got to do is make the dumb thing freewheel instead of locking up, if you want to get really cool you can have it expend the final juice slowing and swinging upright before going into freewheel mode.

The lack of common sense here is all at Segway. They built a device that couldn't gracefully stop when running out of juice. It's not a terribly difficult puzzle to work out and should have been done in DESIGN time, not after mass production and distribution.
108 posted on 09/26/2003 12:01:30 PM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: presidio9
All the makers of airplanes need to recall their aircraft because they tend to fall out of the sky when they run out of fuel.

I must say, It is fitting that this is the end of Kaymen's 15 minutes of fame. From direct experience, he has been an arrogant player in the arena of technology. You only need to talk with all the engineers and technicians who have designed and built the machines of his desires and dreams. Apparently, he comes across as a know-it-all, requires major technical support, and at the same time takes all of the credit.

I always thought the Segway wasn't going anywhere and now it still won't.
109 posted on 09/26/2003 12:06:53 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
Actually planes glide when they run out of gas. Some don't glide well but with a good pilot and some luck you can still safely land.

Now helicopters... but they fly through sheer force of will anyway, you expect bad things to happen when they run out of will.
110 posted on 09/26/2003 12:10:10 PM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: Calvin Locke
Gyros do not keep it upright. They only are sensors that detect the acceleration of the device. The main motors are servo'ed by the control system that receives signals from the gyros keeping the device stable. The gyros in this case are MEMS devices that are solid state. They are a derivation of the accelerometers used in airbag deployment systems in cars. FYI
111 posted on 09/26/2003 12:12:37 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: discostu
Does the plane fall or will you argue that it will remain aloft? 'nuff said.
112 posted on 09/26/2003 12:14:28 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: presidio9
Cap'n! ... the dilithium crystals are deteriorating! and there's nothin' I can do about it! I canno change the laws of physics!
113 posted on 09/26/2003 12:16:08 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Final Authority
Red herring question. The Segway locks up potentially throwing the driver from the vehicle. A plane will glide giving the pilot an opportunity to land or bail, a car wil coast giving the driver a chance to pull over and stop. That's the difference: planes run out of fuel in a way that gives an opportunity for safe recovery, Segways do not. Also planes require many hours of training before one is allowed to fly them, a Segway is supposedly usable right out of the box.
114 posted on 09/26/2003 12:17:53 PM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: presidio9
Couldn't they just snap some training wheels on that thing? How about a battery charge indicator?
115 posted on 09/26/2003 12:31:27 PM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: alisasny
Tripping over your own feet?

That's why I upped my umbrella policy. I figue the next time I trip over myself I can sue myself and get millions.

116 posted on 09/26/2003 12:33:40 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: presidio9
They've banned them and like scooters from our Veterans Home here citing dangerous speeds in hallways. I have heard that some towns are wanting them banned from city sidewalks.

117 posted on 09/26/2003 12:38:53 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: presidio9
Its a good thing the Consumer Product Safety Commission wasn't around during the days of the Model T.
118 posted on 09/26/2003 12:44:46 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: discostu
It's not a terribly difficult puzzle to work out...

True, but I guess it is the designers' expections of intended use, not actual use.

Okay, South Park reference: "...so the controls on the side [of "IT"] do the same thing as the oral/anal
controls? Uh, yes. Then, can I get one without the oral/anal controls? Uhhh, well I suppose..."

119 posted on 09/26/2003 12:59:25 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
Which is exactly my problem with it. Lots of geewhiz from designers, no thoughts of grim reality from QA. Being in software QA that's my forte in life and I get irritable when I see products that should have been stopped cold by QA out in the world.

That South Park episode was brilliant. "Well it's better than dealing with the airlines."
120 posted on 09/26/2003 1:04:05 PM PDT by discostu (just a tuna sandwich from another catering service)
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To: presidio9
Oh Please!! .05% injuries? Surely if they can put a battery level on a cheap cell phone this has to come with one. People!! Look at your machine.
121 posted on 09/26/2003 1:42:14 PM PDT by Jaded (But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Mat. 5:44)
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To: Conservababe
" I have heard that some towns are wanting them banned from city sidewalks."

I want them banned from dedicated bicycle and pedestrian paths. The two cycled engined nightmares especially.

I am a good bicycle handler, they have to work to pass me. I use the bike path system here to get away from fossil fueled and other powered vehicles.

If their numbers increase to a thrushhold, there will be a process started to ban them that would be difficult to defeat. I guarantee it.

122 posted on 09/26/2003 1:48:14 PM PDT by bicycle thug (Fortia facere et pati Americanum est.)
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To: Darksheare
Ground Speed in Knots was not recorded.

However a medieval Albanian unit of measurement might be appropriate: KpK Knots per Knickers

The even more ancient measurement "BSPMT,"* was recorded, but not calibrated, due to heavy usae of the road for driving cattle.

* Brown Spots per Mile Traveled

123 posted on 09/26/2003 2:21:41 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
I love it, It should be a skit for something somewhere!
124 posted on 09/26/2003 2:31:26 PM PDT by Darksheare (Begone ye typo demons!! Begone from these dimensions and leave us aolne! I said laeve us aolne! Darn)
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To: Darksheare
The Genesis XXX, or G3X, is produced by a small firm based in Dallas and the first production version should be out in November. Built on a Ford F-550 dually chassis, the 6 liter, 355hp V8 should propel the 8150 pound G3X from 0-60 mph in about 7.5 seconds and it will list for $250K.

Now be truthful, Arianna Huffington and Ed Begley Jr., isn't this what you would REALLY rather be driving?

125 posted on 09/26/2003 2:31:38 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: presidio9
I recall an episode of Jay Leno where they had this Segway guy on. They also had Russell Crowe. Crowe had to ride the scooter. I think he started to hate the Segway guy. It was quite funny.
126 posted on 09/26/2003 2:35:30 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: yonif
"This is individual responsibility which the company is not responsible for. The Segway is a great invention."

If it's that dangerous then it should be either shelved or fixed -- which is exactly what the recall accomplishes.

As far as it being a "great" invention, it seems rather pointless (IMHO).
127 posted on 09/26/2003 2:41:28 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
I love it.
If it came with internal roll bars and armor, I'd be in heaven.
128 posted on 09/26/2003 2:43:05 PM PDT by Darksheare (Begone ye typo demons!! Begone from these dimensions and leave us aolne! I said laeve us aolne! Darn)
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To: discostu
"That's the difference: planes run out of fuel in a way that gives an opportunity for safe recovery, Segways do not. Also planes require many hours of training before one is allowed to fly them, a Segway is supposedly usable right out of the box."

Considering the complexity of aircraft, there's only so much that can be done to avoid falling out of the sky. The changes to make the Segway safe are rather trivial and have little to do with design limitations.
129 posted on 09/26/2003 2:46:16 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: SamAdams76
I couldn't disagree with a word of your post, Sam.

The helmets strapped to the heads of the ABC morning idiots riding on Segways on Intro Day was so stupifying, that I had trouble keeping focused on the machine.

The dork factor, of wearing the helmet on such a slow, goofy-looking scooter, pegged the meter (and the needle went around 3 or 4 times).

130 posted on 09/26/2003 2:48:17 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: Calvin Locke
"True, but I guess it is the designers' expections of intended use, not actual use."

That's just poor design.
131 posted on 09/26/2003 2:48:19 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: Darksheare
"As if anyone needed to be told that coffee is hot."

So if accidently someone heated coffee up to 300 F and then served it, your answer would be the same?
132 posted on 09/26/2003 2:56:58 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: JohnSmithee
That's just poor design.

Maybe. I recall a lawsuit against small airplane manufacturer. The winning idiot plaintiff sued because he was able to change
the interior of the plane in such a way that he was to able to try to fly it from the rear seat so he could mount a
video camera up front to tape himself flying it from the rear (not the pilots) seat.

Hello. Not what either 1.) the designers expected, 2.) the manufacturer expected, 3.) not what the FAA expected, and
4.) anybody with common sense would expect.

Unfortunately, juries are not expected or required to have common sense.

133 posted on 09/26/2003 2:57:55 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: JohnSmithee
Not teh point.
The woman who poured the coffee in her lap and claimed mental anguish due to loss of use of her husband wasn't scalded by 300 degree coffee.
If you had bothered reading further down, you'd see that there have been multiple instances people fraudulently claiming injury.
Besides, NO WOMAN IN HER RIGHT MIND WOULD ADMIT THAT SHE LOST THE USE OF HER HUBAND FOR SEX.
Or didn't you understand that either?
134 posted on 09/26/2003 3:00:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: bicycle thug
I want them banned from dedicated bicycle and pedestrian paths. The two cycled engined nightmares especially. I am a good bicycle handler, they have to work to pass me. I use the bike path system here to get away from fossil fueled and other powered vehicles. If their numbers increase to a thrushhold, there will be a process started to ban them that would be difficult to defeat. I guarantee it.

Yeah, you sound like the same thug that my grandchildren encounter while trying to ride their bikes with training wheels on the same trail as you, buddy. Or you may be the same thug that gets upset because my husband and I are walking along side by side along the trail.

Bicycle purists like yourself just make me angry. You seem to think you are the only one that payed taxes to build the trails and therefore you think you have the right to zip along enjoying the nice air and scenery, and be damned to the rest of us.

135 posted on 09/26/2003 3:22:11 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Darksheare
"Not teh point."

Huh? I wasn't making a point, but merely asking a question. I wanted to understand where you are coming from.

"The woman who poured the coffee in her lap and claimed mental anguish due to loss of use of her husband wasn't scalded by 300 degree coffee."

Exactly, and that's why I asked you a simple question.

"If you had bothered reading further down, you'd see that there have been multiple instances people fraudulently claiming injury."

Actually, I read most threads backwards so I had already read about those other cases. However, this is totally irrelevant in addressing the question I asked.

"Besides, NO WOMAN IN HER RIGHT MIND WOULD ADMIT THAT SHE LOST THE USE OF HER HUBAND FOR SEX.
Or didn't you understand that either?"

I wasn't addressing that. Or, can't you understand the simple concept that fraud does NOTHING to negate a legitimate case. Do I really need to explain this to you?

Funny, how you still haven't answered my simple post consisting of a simple question but you can post a number of totally irrelevant comments mixed with insults.
136 posted on 09/26/2003 3:26:51 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: JohnSmithee
The context and tone of what you were replying to was snotty.
Besides that, you did not bother looking to see what else was said.
I do try to make a habit of checking to see what else was said.

"Actually, I read most threads backwards so I had already read about those other cases. However, this is totally irrelevant in addressing the question I asked."

If you actually DID read the thread backwards, you'd see that this was already addressed, and it IS relevant.
That proves that you are trolling for a fight.
Nice try.
Get lost.
137 posted on 09/26/2003 3:41:38 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: Conservababe
Nah.

I actually slow down and keep my hands on the brakes when encountering children on bikes. Children on bike is a good thing. To make more bicyclists, start them out early on bikes.

I also respect the traffic laws, stopping at intersections and signalling my intention when I turn.

What surprises me about your comment is it is those seaving and speeding on the paths that are dangers to kids. If you think I don't like these things merely because they endanger and annoy me, guess again.

It is days away from the University of Oregon's Fall session, and the packs of beer and motorized scooter crowd will be terrorising the kids and waterfowl in Skinner Butte and Alten Baker parks once more.

I ride year round and give respect when it is shown me on the road or bike path. My attitude is heavily predicated by my experiences with inconsiderate and stupid people on fast gas and electric toys. And I see more and more of them and wonder what else others and myself will have to expect with these things getting the foot in the door to bringing motors on a path that should be for human muscle power only.

Good luck to you and your grandkids out there. And thanks for sharing, and good luck finding an appropriate scapegoat for bad bicycling behavior. They are out there, but it ain't me.

138 posted on 09/26/2003 3:41:41 PM PDT by bicycle thug (Fortia facere et pati Americanum est.)
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139 posted on 09/26/2003 3:44:43 PM PDT by uglybiker (What the $#&% is a shizn'it?)
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To: rftc
'Neither rain, sleet nor low batteries shall deter them from their appointed rounds..'

Neither rain, sleet nor low batteries will hide the fact that I look like a geek.

140 posted on 09/26/2003 3:49:46 PM PDT by uglybiker (What the $#&% is a shizn'it?)
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To: bicycle thug
I offer my profound apology. You seem like a great guy/girl who is kind and considerate of others who share your path/trail. I have met many who do not share your concern for others well being.

No, I do not like the idea of motorized vehicles on a recreational path, myself. But are we to deny Segway owners the same option as we have to enjoy the air and scenery just because they cannot walk long distances without assistance?

I am not in favor of allowing robust and healthy teenagers to scooter along the trail, as they can easily walk.

But, I do think some compromise could be met to allow older or handicapped people access to the trails. Perhaps they might be required to have a handicap sticker on the vehicle the same as when they park in a handicap spot?
141 posted on 09/26/2003 4:09:53 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: uglybiker
Maybe this would help:


142 posted on 09/26/2003 4:15:35 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: rftc
Almost every one was "sold" to various governments (including, for example, every photo op here; and to the ATL airport, the HSA/TSA; etc.)

All hype. Almost all to get your tax money.
143 posted on 09/26/2003 4:25:27 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Conservababe
If you want to enjoy the path and can't walk, of course it is reasonable to use motorized wheelchairs or scooter obviously ment for such use.

They have always been good to see out on the path. I also have a blind friend I go out on a tandem bicycle with. He used to ride all the time when sighted, and I am well aware how much he loves to bicycle. I also have given many first bicycles to kids of friends and family because I remember well how much it ment to me as a five year old to get my first 20 inch wheeled two wheeler.

Kids particularly on the two stroke engined motorized scateboards can be heard a long way off, and to be passed by them as they weave as chose as they can - a common thing in most sckateboad behavior on the sidewalk - leaving you in a cloud of blue stinky smoke angers me quite abit.

I am forty nine and learned a long time ago that if you want respect, show it. Users of these new machines have yet to generally impress me at all. One has recently been run over and killed in next door Springfield darting out into the street as part of the circles he was racing around in.

They are being closely watched by city officials too. I predict a move to ban them in the next year now that you can get these things so cheaply at the big department stores.

144 posted on 09/26/2003 4:30:28 PM PDT by bicycle thug (Fortia facere et pati Americanum est.)
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To: presidio9
I rode a Segway once. They aren't all that safe.
145 posted on 09/26/2003 4:31:18 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Stitch In Time Won't Save You A Dime But At Least It Makes This Dopey Saying Rhyme.)
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To: Darksheare
As if anyone needed to be told that coffee is hot.

Long before this lawsuit I had noticed that McDonald's served their coffee much hotter than other fast food places. I had always assumed that it was prevent customers from draining the cup before they had finished their McMuffin and hash browns, cutting down on the number of free refills dispensed.

Wonder if the savings in second cups paid for the settlement?

146 posted on 09/26/2003 4:52:32 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat
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To: Denver Ditdat
Well, the coffee was always cold otherwise, and people would have complained about that.
So I guess that is the real deal.
147 posted on 09/26/2003 5:12:56 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: Darksheare
"The context and tone of what you were replying to was snotty."

Are you saying that your post was snotty since that is what I was replying to.

"Besides that, you did not bother looking to see what else was said."

Actually I did as I have already stated.

"I do try to make a habit of checking to see what else was said."

ROFL.

You can't even post a response to me without missing what I just stated.

"If you actually DID read the thread backwards, you'd see that this was already addressed"

ROFL.

What was addressed? You don't even know *why* I asked a simple question.

", and it IS relevant."

What are you babbling about?

"That proves that you are trolling for a fight.
Nice try."

Actually, you're the one that is looking for a fight. I asked a simple question that I expected a simple answer.

You could have said:

(1) 300 F is probably too hot to not expect some McDonald's to take some responsibility.

or

(2) 300 F is not too hot to expect a reasonable person to take total responsibility for their actions.

It's really a question of degree vs. kind that I was seeking your feedback on. Remember this whole thread has to do with the Segay. Remember?

"Get lost."

Try boosting the meds...

148 posted on 09/26/2003 5:35:14 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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To: JohnSmithee
Oh wow, you can TROLL threads!
How nice, you said you need to boost yourmeds?
I recommend intramuscualr Thorazine, 300 units.
149 posted on 09/26/2003 5:39:10 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: Darksheare
"Oh wow, you can TROLL threads!
How nice, you said you need to boost yourmeds?
I recommend intramuscualr Thorazine, 300 units."

Yawn.

Try something to curb your paranioa...
150 posted on 09/26/2003 5:44:20 PM PDT by JohnSmithee
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