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At what point does humiliation become torture?
Gonzo News Service ^ | 12 May 2004 | Maigrey

Posted on 05/12/2004 2:01:04 PM PDT by Maigrey

At what point does humiliation become torture?
Editorial by the Gonzo News Service

In the last day, the words torture and humiliation have been bandied throughout the press and talking heads of the media. Hearing these words time and time again, I thought I would look them up and see how they were defined.

From Merriam-Webster Online

Torture

Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a: anguish of body or mind: AGONY
b: something that causes agony or pain
2: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3: distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument:

Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): tor·tured; tor·tur·ing /'torch-ri[ng], 'tor-ch&-/
1: to cause intense suffering to : TORMENT
2: to punish or coerce by inflicting excruciating pain
3: to twist or wrench out of shape:

From Dict.Die.net

Torture

n 1: extreme mental distress [syn: anguish, torment]
2: unbearable physical pain [syn: torment]
3: intense feelings of suffering; acute mental or physical pain; "an agony of doubt"; "the torments of the damned" [syn: agony, torment]
4: the act of distorting something so it seems to mean something it was not intended to mean [syn: distortion, overrefinement, straining, twisting]
5: the act of torturing someone; "it required unnatural torturing to extract a confession" [syn: torturing]
v 1: torment emotionally or mentally [syn: torment, excruciate, rack]
2: subject to torture [syn: excruciate, torment]

Well, let us also look the definition of humiliation from those same two sources.

Main Entry: hu·mil·i·ate
Pronunciation: hyü-'mi-lE-"At, yü-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Late Latin humiliates, past participle of humiliare, from Latin humilis low -- more at HUMBLE
: to reduce to a lower position in one's own eyes or others' eyes : MORTIFY

humiliate (humiliation):

n 1: state of disgrace or loss of self-respect
2: strong feelings of embarrassment [syn: chagrin, mortification]
3: depriving one of self-esteem [syn: abasement]

So, in regards to the definitions presented, how can the pictures - which might or might not violate the Geneva Convention on treatment of prisoners - can the treatment of prisoners be held as such? But, in that itself, comes a distinct and important question: who qualifies as a protected person under the Geneva Convention?

The Geneva Convention states in convention three, article four, that those who are soldiers for a co-signed country that they are covered by the Geneva Convention when they are captured in battle.

Article Four also states that those who have taken up arms against an invading army for the reason of being part of a state militia, as long as their carry their arms openly, and submit to a command authority, are also given privilege of Geneva Convention protections p> According to the report my Army Major General Antonio Taguba, the isolated (to date) incidents occurred in one cell block of the Abu Ghraib prison: Cellblock 1a: the cellblock for terrorists. These prisoners are the ones who were arrested and charged for terrorist activities against Coalition Forces and against the people of Iraq, which include murder.

As a reader, the decision is up to you whether these pictures were, as Rush Limbaugh said, just a hazing prank; or as Sen. Ted Kennedy stated, "Tantamount to Torture" or somewhere in between. We hope we've given some clarity in deciding on whether these soldiers' actions are a violation of moral and ethical laws in regards to the treatment of prisoners held in Iraq.

So, the remaining question is: where do terrorists fall into this? They are not citizens of Iraq. They do not wear a uniform, or insignia declaring them part of the Iraqi Army. They do not carry their weapons openly, and they do not fall within command organizations for the purpose of being a militia.

So, should they also be afforded the same protections and comforts afforded those who did follow "the rules of war?" Should they also be protected by the Geneva Convention from humiliation and torture?

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Have at it!
1 posted on 05/12/2004 2:01:04 PM PDT by Maigrey
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To: Maigrey
Dang!

And right after I post the Webster definitions in the previous post as an argument that what occurred at Abu Ghraib was abuse and NOT torture!!!
2 posted on 05/12/2004 2:42:33 PM PDT by noscreenname ("Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Aliens)
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To: noscreenname
Sorry!

Like all things, many a thing depends on your perception of a point of view.

I don't see a problem with the pictures, even if some lawyer 3000 miles away does.

This is especially the case after the death of Nick Berg.

3 posted on 05/12/2004 3:11:55 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)
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To: Maigrey
Well, the pictures are now 'evidence'. Not only in the courts martial of these individuals but in the condemnation of the US by our enemies both foreign and domestic.

I'm also a bit disturbed by the, seemingly, prurient fascination with the 'worst of them' now being viewed behind closed doors by members of Congress. Why? To what end? I sure hope no one feels that 'the public has a right to see these'. It's unnecessary. Those that are convinced the Iraqi prisoners were 'tortured' don't need any more ammunition, and I don't need to see near pornographic images of young soldiers cavorting with each other. Kind of like the topless pictures of Jessica Lynch that surfaced awhile ago. Pointless.
4 posted on 05/12/2004 3:21:05 PM PDT by noscreenname ("Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure" - Aliens)
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To: Maigrey
Torture? Listening to Ted Kennedy
Humiliation? Knowing theres people with drivers licenses that elect him year after year



Doogle
5 posted on 05/12/2004 3:23:40 PM PDT by Doogle (....and the truth shall set you free....depends on what you mean by truth)
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