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Amazon ^ | March 2004 | Anatoly T. Fomenko

Posted on 07/11/2004 9:34:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

History: Fiction or Science? History: Fiction or Science?
by Anatoly T. Fomenko


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To: All
This is the series on which the book was based (not the other way around), and it's on DVD at last! While shopping for hours I saw this at Best Buy and jumped! I didn't buy it though, a little pricey, instead using a gift card I got for my birthday (the enormous chain bookstore). I added this to my Order from Chaos listmania, moved the book (see the "in reply to" link here) to the second spot, and hope the blockbuster movie starring the politically reprehensible Brad Pitt will juice interest. :')
In Search of the Trojan War In Search of the Trojan War
by Michael Wood


41 posted on 07/17/2004 6:09:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: All
Only one hardcover left in stock, and the ppbk is cheaper:

Race and Human Evolution Race and Human Evolution
by Milford Wolpoff
and Rachel Caspari
Race and Human Evolution Race and Human Evolution
(hardcover)


42 posted on 07/17/2004 6:38:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

I promised my neighbor I would watch the movie, Freda, with her tonight. So off I go to see Salma Hayak with a unibrow, which will probably totally distract me from the storyline.


43 posted on 07/17/2004 7:48:36 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
Kahlo was not talented at all, her work sucks, belongs on velvet, sold from trucks parked at abandoned corner gas stations. She was married (I believe) to the so-called social-realist painter who plastered all that socialist propaganda over everything he painted. And she was, uh, unattractive. But by all means, I hope you enjoy the movie. ;')
44 posted on 07/17/2004 8:02:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: RightWhale
[reprise]

John Lewis, writing in the title shown, suggests that the way to avoid our own extinction would be to identify threatening space rocks, then mine them out of existence, defraying expenses from the sale of the processed ores. A run of the mill asteroid often has more mineral wealth than has ever been mined. Trick will be to make it cheap to bring down. Getting the equipment (probably robotic) to the asteroid needs to be cheap; and ideally, a more or less permanent asteroid station at which the automatic machinery will be designed, tested, and manufactured, makes the most sense.

Rain of Iron and Ice: The Very Real Threat of Comet and Asteroid Bombardment Rain of Iron and Ice:
The Very Real Threat of
Comet and Asteroid Bombardment

by John S. Lewis

Hardcover


45 posted on 07/17/2004 9:26:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

YIKES! Well, I was reminded just how dangerous, ugly, selfish, elitist, irrational, compromised, indulgent, churlish and childish are the roots of the communist revolution around the world. They celebrate their godlessness with debauchery as if that makes them superior beings because they are true to themselves, especially when their true selves cause pain to everyone who ever loved or supported them. How admirable.
Frida was in pain, but that does not excuse her "art," or the IDIOTS who find value in it today. She is dead, and should remain that way.


46 posted on 07/17/2004 10:52:44 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 07/17/2004 11:18:12 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: All
[emphasis added below] See the "in reply to" link for a video which includes shots of one of the *three* surviving Aramaic pillars of Ashoka.
The Edicts of King Ashoka
An English Rendering by Ven. S. Dhammika
Asoka's edicts are to be found scattered in more than thirty places throughout India, Nepal, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Most of them are written in Brahmi script from which all Indian scripts and many of those used in Southeast Asia later developed. The language used in the edicts found in the eastern part of the sub-continent is a type of Magadhi, probably the official language of Asoka's court. The language used in the edicts found in the western part of India is closer to Sanskrit although one bilingual edict in Afghanistan is written in Aramaic and Greek. Asoka's edicts, which comprise the earliest decipherable corpus of written documents from India, have survived throughout the centuries because they are written on rocks and stone pillars. These pillars in particular are testimony to the technological and artistic genius of ancient Indian civilization. Originally, there must have been many of them, although only ten with inscriptions still survive. Averaging between forty and fifty feet in height, and weighing up to fifty tons each, all the pillars were quarried at Chunar, just south of Varanasi and dragged, sometimes hundreds of miles, to where they were erected.

The Edicts of King Ashoka The Edicts of King Ashoka
An English Rendering
by Ven. S. Dhammika

48 posted on 07/18/2004 7:53:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: ValerieUSA
Posted this in another thread a while ago, and got some surprising reactions. :') No one asked, "how do we thank him?" ;') This has a real tabloid vibe to it, but may be okay.
Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the Love Triangle That Brought Down the Kennedys Nemesis:
The True Story of Aristotle Onassis,
Jackie O, and the Love Triangle
That Brought Down the Kennedys

by Peter Evans

49 posted on 07/18/2004 9:41:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: nopardons
Here's a reprise of a post I made elsewhere today:

Many of these links may be dead by now, and last I knew the book was out of print by a mile:
Lanai Tsunami Deposit
by Volcano World
This is the deposit left by a giant tsunami as it washed up the south coast of Lana'i. The deposit consists of beach boulders plus coral fragments and sand, and extends to about 100 meters above sea level. Here it is about 4 meters thick.
The Hilina Slump a.k.a. "The Big Crack"
by Wiliam Corliss
A 4,760 cubic mile chunk of the Big Island (Hawaii) is breaking away at the rate of 4 inches per year. This is the Hilina Slump, and it is said to be "the most rapidly moving tract of ground on Earth for its size." The Hilina Slump can move much faster. At 4:48 AM, November 29, 1975, a 37-mile-wide section suddenly dropped 11* feet and slid seaward 26 feet. The result was a magnitude-7.2 quake and a 48-foot-high tsunami. This was a minor of the slump. If the entire 4,760-cubic-mile block decided to break off, it would probably create a magnitude-9 quake and a tsunami 1,000-feet high. All the coast-hugging cities of the Hawaiian Islands would be swept away. And LOOK OUT Australia, Japan, and California.
Japan faces tidal wave threat
Scientists in Japan have discovered a fault in the seabed off the country's coast with the potential to unleash a giant "tsunami" tidal wave. The newly-detected fault lies off the south-eastern coast of Japan and may have been responsible for the magnitude 8.1 earthquake which struck the country in 1944, they say... The fault is close enough to the Japanese coast for there to be only minutes between a substantial earthquake along it and the tsunami reaching land... Jin-Oh Park and his colleagues believe that the fault they have found may have been responsible not just for a magnitude 8.1 quake in 1944, but a nearby magnitude 8.3 quake two years later.
Giant Tsunami Would Follow Predicted Canary Isles Eruption
The computer model, compiled in collaboration with Steven Ward of the University of California, Santa Cruz, predicts that the tsunami will have a height of 100 metres (330ft) from crest to trough when it crashes into the shores of nearby north-west Africa. By the time it reached its final destination, the east coast of Florida and the Caribbean islands, the tsunami would still be up to 50 metres high.
The drowning wave
by Tristan Marshall
Any day now, a gargantuan wave could sweep westwards across the Atlantic towards the coast of North America. A mighty wall of water 50 metres high would hit the Caribbean islands, Florida and the rest of the eastern seaboard, surging up to 20 kilometres inland and engulfing everything in its path. If you thought the tsunamis that periodically terrorise the Pacific Ocean were big, consider this: the Atlantic wave will be five times bigger. It will start its journey 6000 kilometres away, when half an island crashes into the sea.
Landslide
by Jonathan Knight
7 August 1999
Everyone realised that dropping something the size of New York City into the ocean would kick up a big wave, but it was only when Moore returned to Hawaii to explore the island of Lanai that he realised just how big. On the south side of the island, limestone boulders were scattered, some as much as 100 metres above sea level. Since the island itself is made of volcanic rock, the limestone could only have come from coral reefs beneath the sea surface. Moore also found fields of coral and seashells as high as 120 metres. The piece of mountain that is shifting is much larger than the slide that soaked Lanai. It's more on the scale of the "Nuuanu" collapse that spun the New York-sized chunk of rock off Oahu more than 1 million years ago, says Julia Morgan, a geologist at the University of Hawaii's Manoa campus on Oahu, who has been watching the mountain closely.
Could sea slides occur off N.J. coast?
A computer simulation of the continental shelf 100 miles off the coast of New Jersey suggests that there may be pockets of water trapped under great pressure deep beneath the ocean floor. The study concluded that if such pressurized deposits of water exist, they could pose a threat of sudden undersea landslides. Peter B. Flemings and Brandon Dugan of Pennsylvania State University said even a small shaking of a mild earthquake could be enough for a sudden release of the water. That could cause undersea landslides down the side of the continental shelf. Such slides, involving many tons of sediment falling like an undersea avalanche down the side of a submerged mountain, have been known to cause tsunami waves.
Mt Pinatubo's brimming lake threatens thousands
by Joanna Marchant
25 July 01
This year has been particularly wet, and since the rainy season began in June the water level has been rising by up to a metre each week. The last time Rodolfo and Alonso flew over the lake in a military helicopter, they estimated that the water was only four metres from the lowest point of the crater wall, a V-shaped cleft called the Maraunot notch. Rodolfo and Alonso estimate that if the notch eroded down 10 metres, 30 million cubic metres of water would spill out. The water would probably mix with loose volcanic sediment on the way, hugely increasing its volume and creating a cement-like mixture knows as a "lahar". Rodolfo has seen fast-flowing lahars in action before. "It is a horrendous sight - horrifying and exceedingly beautiful." Engineering solutions to the threat include reinforcing the notch, or boring a tunnel into the crater to drain the lake. But the government says it is too late for such action now the rainy season has started. Rodolfo and Alonso believe this complacency could be disastrous and are now working with Oxfam to reach local agencies and people directly.
Asteroids and Tsunamis
by Michael Paine
5 November 1999
Tsunami can travel at around 400 mph in deep water. When they reach shallow water they slow down, and that's when the real danger begins. The front of the wave slows first and the effect is like a pile-up on a freeway, with the rear of the wave catching up to the front. The wave increases in height from this bunching effect. The final height of the wave depends on several factors, but the shape of the sea floor has the greatest impact.
Out There
by Louis A. Frank
and Patrick Huyghe
In the spring of 1986, I published my explanation of the black spots in a scientific journal: The Earth's atmosphere was being bombarded by house-sized, water-bearing objects traveling at 25,000 mph, one every three seconds or so. That's 20 a minute, 1,200 an hour, 28,800 a day, 864,000 a month and more than 10 million a year. These objects, which I call "small comets," disintegrate high above the Earth and deposit huge clouds of water vapor into the upper atmosphere. Over the history of this planet, the small comets may have dumped enough water to fill the oceans and may have even provided the organic ingredients necessary for life on Earth.

Scientists reacted to my announcement as if I had plowed through the sacred field of established science with a bulldozer. I had. If the small comets were real, one scientist commented, textbooks in a dozen sciences would have to be rewritten... I spent more than a year answering the objections of critics. But I didn't convince them. It was 10,000 to 1 -- actually 2, myself and John Sigwarth, whose task as my graduate student assistant had been to help me resolve this black-spot mystery. "We have taken a representative poll of current opinion in this field," an editor at Nature wrote in rejecting a small-comet paper we submitted to them in 1988, "and the verdict goes against you." It was my first encounter with taking polls as a way of doing science.

The Big Splash: A Scientific Discovery That Revolutionizes the Way We View the Origin of Life, the Water We Drink, the Death of the Dinosaurs, the Creation of the Oceans, the Nature of the Cosmos, and the Very Future of the Earth Itself The Big Splash:
A Scientific Discovery
That Revolutionizes
the Way We View the Origin of Life,
the Water We Drink,
the Death of the Dinosaurs,
the Creation of the Oceans,
the Nature of the Cosmos,
and the Very Future
of the Earth Itself

by Louis A. Frank
and Patrick Huyghe


50 posted on 07/25/2004 7:55:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Remember_Salamis
The Phoenicians in Spain: An Archaeological Review of the Eighth-Sixth Centuries B.C.E.: A Collection of Articles Translated from Spanish The Phoenicians in Spain:
An Archaeological Review
of the Eighth-Sixth Centuries B.C.E.:
A Collection of Articles
Translated from Spanish

ed by Marilyn Bierling
assoc editor Seymour Gitin

51 posted on 07/27/2004 11:41:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: ValerieUSA
Appropriate title -- Crick croaked:

Rosalind Franklin: The Dark Lady of DNA Rosalind Franklin:
The Dark Lady of DNA

by Brenda Maddox


52 posted on 07/29/2004 11:04:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: All

Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson Master of the Senate:
The Years of Lyndon Johnson

by Robert A. Caro


53 posted on 07/31/2004 6:59:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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Greece
50 Ancient Tombs Uncovered (1400BC, Crete) ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 07/18/2004 1:17:56 PM PDT · 47 replies · 1,023+ views


The Australian ^ | 7-18-2004
50 ancient tombs uncovered From correspondents in Athens July 18, 2004 ARCHEOLOGISTS have discovered 50 tombs dating back to the late Minoan period, around 1400 BC, and containing a number of artifacts on the Greek island of Crete, ANA news agency reported today. The tombs were part of the once powerful ancient city of Kydonia, which was destroyed at the time but later rebuilt. The oldest among them contained bronze weapons, jewellery and vases and are similar to the tombs of fallen soldiers of the Mycenaean type from mainland Greece, said the head of the excavations, Maria Vlazaki. The more...
 

New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption ^
  Posted by SunkenCiv
On General/Chat ^ 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT · 11 replies · 76+ views


Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 ^ | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Determining a reliable calendrical age of the Santorini (Minoan) eruption is necessary to place the impact of the eruption into its proper context within Bronze Age society in the Aegean region. The high-resolution record of the deposition of volcanically produced acids on polar ice sheets, as available in the SO42-time series from ice cores (a direct signal), and the high-resolution record of the climatic impact of past volcanism inferred in tree rings (a secondary signal) have been widely used to assign a 1628/1627 age to the eruption. The layer of ice in the GISP2 (Greenland) ice core corresponding to...
 

Middle East
THE HISTORY OF THE ARAMAIC LANGUAGE ^
  Posted by NYer
On Religion ^ 07/22/2004 1:12:20 PM PDT · 25 replies · 267+ views


Journal of Near Eastern Studies ^ | Rocco A. Errico and Michael J. Bazzi
Aramaic was the language of Semitic peoples throughout the ancient Near East. It was the language of the Assyrians, Chaldeans, Hebrews and Syrians. Aram and Israel had a common ancestry and the Hebrew patriarchs who were of Aramaic origin maintained ties of marriage with the tribes of Aram. The Hebrew patriarchs preserved their Aramaic names and spoke in Aramaic.The term Aramaic is derived from Aram, the fifth son of Shem, the firstborn of Noah. See Gen. 10:22. The descendants of Aram dwelt in the fertile valley, Padan-aram also known as Beth Nahreen.The Aramaic language in Padan-aram remained pure, and in...
 

Ancient Egypt
13Th Century Tablet Could Lead To Lost Archives Of Ramses II ^
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On News/Activism ^ 09/28/2003 9:31:05 AM PDT · 7 replies · 25+ views


ABC News ^ | 9-27-2003
Last Update: Saturday, September 27, 2003. 4:26pm (AEST)13th Century tablet could lead to lost archives of Ramses II The discovery of a stone tablet detailing diplomatic ties between the ancient Egyptians and Hittites in the 13th Century BC could be the key to the lost archives of Ramses II, according to archaeologists. Discovered at Qantir 120 kilometres north-east of Cairo, the tablet dates back to the time of the ancient Egyptian pharaoh, Ramses II (1298-1235 BC) and confirms his capital, Pi-Ramses, was in the Nile Delta. "Its the first time that such a written record has been found in the...
 

Battlements Found At Egypt's Ancient East Gateway ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 07/01/2004 8:17:17 PM PDT · 34 replies · 44+ views


Reuters ^ | 6-30-2004
Battlements Found at Egypt's Ancient East Gateway Wed Jun 30, 2004 01:52 PM ET CAIRO, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian archaeological team has uncovered battlements from Pharaonic times at the ancient eastern gateway to Egypt in the north of the Sinai Peninsula, the Culture Ministry said Wednesday. The find includes three fortifications built in the area of Tharu, an ancient city which stood on a branch of the Nile that has long since dried up, a ministry statement said. The battlements stand on the ancient Horus Road, a vital commercial and military artery from ancient Egypt to Asia. The discoveries,...
 

Digging Out The Truth Of Exodus ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 10/12/2003 10:27:46 AM PDT · 4 replies · 11+ views


USN&WR ^ | 10-20-2003 | Helen Fields
Science & Society 10/20/03Digging out the truth of Exodus By Helen Fields Egyptologist Manfred Bietak was reading a 60-year-old report of a dig near Luxor in Egypt when a surprising find caught his eye. Near a mortuary temple from the 12th century B.C., archaeologists had uncovered a grid of shallow trenches, which they guessed was the base of a workers' hut. Bietak, head of the Institute of Egyptology at Vienna University, recognized the floor plan as that of the four-room houses used by almost all Israelites from the 12th to the sixth century B.C. What was it doing in Egypt?...
 

Smenkhkhare, the Hittite Pharaoh ^
  Posted by SunkenCiv
On General/Chat ^ 07/30/2004 9:42:36 AM PDT · 1 reply · 35+ views


BBC History ^ | September 5, 2002 | Dr Marc Gabolde
[T]he exclusively masculine epithets referring to this individual in the same tomb and on a now-vanished block at Memphis, confirm that we are dealing with a man - as distinct from the pharaoh-queen Ankh(et)kheperure Neferneferuaten... Contrary to Ancient Egyptian custom, Smenkhkare is not presented under a coronation name and a birth name in his two cartouches, but under two coronation names. The explanation for this curious fact seems to me clear: both his royal names were composed on the occasion of his coronation. He therefore must have had another name beforehand... The absence of a birth name, the lack of...
 

Climate Change
Mammoth Skeleton Found In Russia's Voronzh ^
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On News/Activism ^ 01/31/2003 9:23:28 AM PST · 2 replies · 6+ views


Pravda ^ | 1-31-2003
Mammoth Skeleton Found in Russiaís Voronezh Region Ancient volcanic catastrophe turned out to be a treasure for modern scientistsArchaeologists of the St.Petersburg Material Culture Institute found almost a whole skeleton of a mammoth last summer. The remarkable event happened in Russiaís Voronezh region, not far from the village of Kostenki. Twenty-six objects of the paleolith era have been found in that area since 1879. Every object that was found there, was in a very good condition: hearths, animal bones, constructions made of mammoth bones, stone and bone things, decorations, and works of art. The layers of eruptive ashes were found...
 

Mesopotamian Climate Change (8,000 Years Ago) ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 02/15/2004 11:18:28 AM PST · 56 replies · 40+ views


Geo Times ^ | 2-15-2004
Mesopotamian climate change Geoscientists are increasingly exploring an interesting trend: Climate change has been affecting human society for thousands of years. At the American Geophysical Union annual meeting in December, one archaeologist presented research that suggests that climate change affected the way cultures developed and collapsed in the cradle of civilization ó ancient Mesopotamia ó more than 8,000 years ago. Archaeologists have found evidence for a mass migration from the more temperate northern Mesopotamia to the arid southern region around 6400 B.C. For the previous 1,000 years, people had been cultivating the arable land in northern Mesopotamia, using natural rainwater...
 

Sunken Civilizations
Update on Underwater Megalithic ^
  Posted by callisto
On News/Activism ^ 11/21/2001 11:08:00 AM PST · 150 replies · 162+ views


EarthFiles ^ | 11.19.01 | Linda Moulton Howe
In May 2001, engineer Paulina Zelitzky, President, ADC Corporation, Victoria, B. C., Canada and Havana, Cuba, announced the discovery of megalithic structures 2,200 feet down at the western tip of Cuba. November 19, 2001 Havana, Cuba - The story about a possible megalithic site half a mile down off the western tip of Cuba first broke this past May when a Reuters News Service reporter interviewed the deep ocean engineer who first reported unusual sidescan sonar of the discovery. Her name is Paulina Zelitsky. Ms. Zelitsky was born in Poland, studied engineering in the Soviet Union, was assigned to ...
 

Update On Deep Water Megalithic Stones and Structures Near Western Cuba ^
  Posted by glock rocks
On News/Activism ^ 09/30/2003 4:50:43 PM PDT · 31 replies · 92+ views


Earthfiles ^ | September 24, 2003 | Linda Moulton Howe
Part 1 - Update On Deep Water Megalithic Stones and Structures Near Western Cuba © 2003 by Linda Moulton Howe † Northeast of Cabo San Antonio, marked in yellow, and down about one-half mile off the westerntip of Cuba are large stones in rectangular and pyramidal shapes. There are also huge unidentified structures that have 90 degree corners and are spread along straight corridors on the white sea floor sand. † † Original high resolution side scan sonar images of large structures a half mile down on the white sand sea floor off the western tip of Cuba, received...
 

Evidence of ancient city found in depths off Cuba (best article yet) ^
  Posted by spycatcher
On News/Activism ^ 12/12/2001 10:37:07 PM PST · 75 replies · 328+ views


Toronto Globa and Mail ^ | 12/7/01 | MICHAEL POSNER
A team of Canadian and Cuban researchers have discovered the remains of what may be a 6,000-year-old city submerged in deep ocean waters off the western coast of Cuba. Using sophisticated sonar and videotape equipment, offshore engineer Paulina Zelitsky, her husband, Paul Weinzweig, and her son, Ernesto Tapanes, have found megaliths "of a kind you'd find at Stonehenge or Easter Island," Mr. Weinzweig said in an interview yesterday. "Some structures within the complex may be as long as 400 metres wide and as high as 40 metres," he said. "Some are sitting on top of each other. They show very ...
 

Northern sea baffles archaeologists ^
  Posted by vannrox
On News/Activism ^ 03/24/2004 5:37:29 PM PST · 19 replies · 52+ views


Pravda ^ | 03/11/2004 12:50 | Grigory Donskov
Remains of an ancient civilization discovered in the depths of the Northern sea While some scientists spend all their time and efforts in search of Atlantis, others have already discovered remains of an ancient civilization that had existed on the same territory as present-day Northern sea. With the help of modern technology, archaeologists were able to get a better glimpse of the ancient world. Approximately 10 000 years ago the entire bottom of the Northern sea had been a blossoming valley, inhabited by ancestors of modern-day Europeans. Scientists from the Birmingham University were able to reach such conclusion after reconstructing...
 

Precolumbian, Clovis, & PreClovis
The Oldest Americans May Prove Even Older ^
  Posted by NukeMan
On News/Activism ^ 06/29/2004 4:20:56 PM PDT · 28 replies · 113+ views


New York Times ^ | 6/29/04 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
BARNWELL, S.C., June 24 - On a hillside by the Savannah River, under tall oaks bearded with Spanish moss, an archaeologist and a graduate student crouched in the humid depths of a trench. They had reason to think they were in the presence of a breathtaking discovery. Or at the least, they were on to something more than 20,000 years old that would throw American archaeology into further turmoil over its most contentious issue: when did people first reach America, and who were they?
 

Going Into The Water: A Survey Of Impact Events And The Coastal Peoples Of South-East North America ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 01/17/2002 4:08:32 PM PST · 52 replies · 72+ views


Cambridge Conference Network ^ | 1-09-2002
Very long but good anthropology/archaeology article Click Here
 

Will We Ever Find Atlantis? ^
  Posted by sarcasm
On News/Activism ^ 11/16/2003 10:59:39 AM PST · 11 replies · 64+ views


The New York Times ^ | November 11, 2003 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
omewhere in the imagination, at an intersection of the idealized Golden Age and mankind's descent into manifest imperfection, existed the island civilization of Atlantis. This realm of divine origin was ruled from a splendid metropolis in the distant ocean. Its empire, described by a philosopher as "larger than Libya and Asia combined," enjoyed prosperity and great power.In time, driven by overweening ambition, a common theme in antiquity and not unheard of today, Atlantis set out to conquer lands of the Mediterranean. But in a terrible day and night of floods and earthquakes, Atlantis was swallowed by the sea, sinking into...
 

Catastrophism
An Impact Event in 3114BC? The beginning of a Turbulent Millennium. ^
  Posted by ckilmer
On News/Activism ^ 01/03/2003 8:06:06 PM PST · 40 replies · 39+ views


personal.eunet.fi ^
An Impact Event in 3114BC? The Beginning of a Turbulent Millennium. Recurring Phenomenon: The Cosmic DisasterThe Mayan CalendarStonehengeA Possible Source for the 3100 BC Event Collected and commented by Timo Niroma, Helsinki, Finland Go to the Evidence of Astronomical Aspects of Mankind's Past and Recent Climate Homepage Recurring Phenomenon: The Cosmic Disaster Besides the most evident cosmic catastrophes ca. 2200 BC and 2345 BC there are other events during the Holocene that are so widely global and difficult to explain by only the Earth's own mechanisms that a cosmic explanation must evidently be taken into account. The first so-called...
 

Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages ^
  Posted by ckilmer
On News/Activism ^ 02/03/2004 2:54:24 PM PST · 62 replies · 53+ views


EurekAlert ^ | 3-Feb-2004 | Dr Derek Ward-Thompson
Public release date: 3-Feb-2004 Contact: Dr Derek Ward-Thompson derek.ward-thompson@astro.cf.ac.uk 029-2087-5314 Cardiff University Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages Undergraduates' work blames comet for 6th-century "nuclear winter" Scientists at Cardiff University, UK, believe they have discovered the cause of crop failures and summer frosts some 1,500 years ago ñ a comet colliding with Earth. The team has been studying evidence from tree rings, which suggests that the Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540 AD, indicating an effect rather like a nuclear winter. The scientists in the School of Physics and Astronomy believe this was caused...
 

Comets,Meteors & Myth: New Evidence For Toppled Civilizations And Bibical Tales ^
  Posted by blam
On General/Chat ^ 08/11/2002 5:32:56 PM PDT · 16 replies · 69+ views


Science Tuesday/Space.com ^ | 11-13-2002 | Robert Roy Brit
Comets, Meteors & Myth: New Evidence for Toppled Civilizations and Biblical Tales By Robert Roy Britt Senior Science Writer posted: 07:00 am ET 13 November 2001 "...and the seven judges of hell ... raised their torches, lighting the land with their livid flame. A stupor of despair went up to heaven when the god of the storm turned daylight into darkness, when he smashed the land like a cup." -- An account of the Deluge from the Epic of Gilgamesh, circa 2200 B.C. If you are fortunate enough to see the storm of shooting stars predicted for the Nov. 18...
 

The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined? ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 06/08/2003 10:31:29 PM PDT · 87 replies · 145+ views


The Universe ^ | 9-1999 | Greg Bryant
The Dark Ages : Were They Darker Than We Imagined? By Greg Bryant Published in the September 1999 issue of Universe As we approach the end of the Second Millennium, a review of ancient history is not what you would normally expect to read in the pages of Universe. Indeed, except for reflecting on the AD 837 apparition of Halley's Comet (when it should have been as bright as Venus and would have moved through 60 degrees of sky in one day as it passed just 0.03 AU from Earth - three times closer than Hyakutake in 1996), you may...
 

Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization? ^
  Posted by blam
On General/Chat ^ 07/11/2002 1:56:44 PM PDT · 76 replies · 131+ views


Discovering Archaeology ^ | July/August 1999 | Mike Baillie
Did Asteroids and Comets Turn the Tides of Civilization? By Mike Baillie The heart of humanity seems at times to have lost its cadence, the rhythmic beat of history collapsing into impotent chaos. Wars raged. Pestilence spread. Famine reigned. Death came early and hard. Dynasties died, and civilization flickered. Such a time came in the sixth century A.D. The Dark Ages settled heavily over Europe. Rome had been beaten back from its empire. Art and science stagnated. Even the sun turned its back. "We marvel to see no shadows of our bodies at noon, to feel the mighty vigor of...
 

Evidence for Major Impact Events in the late Third Millennium BC ^
  Posted by vannrox
On News/Activism ^ 09/04/2002 4:48:54 PM PDT · 81 replies · 136+ views


Evidence of Astronomical Aspects of Mankind's Past and Recent Climate Homepage ^ | FR Post 9-4-2 | Timo Niroma
The Climax of a Turbulent Millennium: Evidence for Major Impact Events in the late Third Millennium BC Timo Niroma, Helsinki, Finland The First Intermediate PeriodThe Curse of AkkadTroy IIgThird Millennium BC Climate Change and Old World CollapseNatural Catastrophes during Bronze Age Civilisations Two separate cataclysmsSodom and GomorrahWhere did the impacts occur? The First Intermediate Period Selections from "The Egyptians" by C. Aldred (London 1987). "At this distance of time, the overthrow of the Old Kingdom at the end of the Sixth Dynasty has all the appearance of being sudden and complete. "Recent research has attributed the abrupt nature of...
 

Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 01/03/2002 10:50:09 PM PST · 72 replies · 311+ views


The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-04-2001 | Robert Matthews
Meteor clue to end of Middle East civilisations By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent (Filed: 04/11/2001) SCIENTISTS have found the first evidence that a devastating meteor impact in the Middle East might have triggered the mysterious collapse of civilisations more than 4,000 years ago. satellite images of southern Iraq have revealed a two-mile-wide impact crater caused by a meteor Studies of satellite images of southern Iraq have revealed a two-mile-wide circular depression which scientists say bears all the hallmarks of an impact crater. If confirmed, it would point to the Middle East being struck by a meteor with the violence equivalent ...
 

Miscellaneous
Drilling Finds Crater Beneath Va. Bay ^
  Posted by Rebelbase
On News/Activism ^ 06/01/2004 4:21:15 PM PDT · 63 replies · 25+ views


AP via Yahoo ^ | Tue Jun 1 2004 | Staff
CAPE CHARLES, Va. - Geologists drilling half a mile below Virginia's Eastern Shore say they have uncovered more signs of a space rock's impact 35 million years ago. For more than two weeks, scientists drilled around the clock alongside a parking lot across the harbor from Cape Charles. They stopped at 2,700 feet. From the depths came jumbled, mixed bits of crystalline and melted rock that can be dated, as well as marine deposits, brine and other evidence of an ancient comet or asteroid that slammed into once-shallow waters near the Delmarva Peninsula. Cape Charles is considered Ground Zero for...
 

Probe To 'Look Inside' Asteroids ^
  Posted by blam
On News/Activism ^ 07/28/2004 8:22:08 AM PDT · 24 replies · 249+ views


BBC ^ | 7-28-2004 | Paul Rincon
Probe to 'look inside' asteroids By Paul Rincon BBC News Online science staff in Paris, France Studies of asteroids would aid Earth-protection strategies A new space mission concept unveiled at a Paris conference aims to look inside asteroids to reveal how they are made. Deep Interior would use radar to probe the origin and evolution of two near-Earth objects less than 1km across. The mission, which could launch some time later this decade, would also give clues to how the planets evolved. The perceived threat of asteroids colliding with our planet has renewed interest in space missions to understand these...
 

Reworked images reveal hot Venus ^
  Posted by Central Scrutiniser
On News/Activism ^ 01/14/2004 5:25:16 PM PST · 42 replies · 129+ views


BBC ^ | 1-13-03 | Dr David Whitehouse
Reworked images reveal hot Venus By Dr David Whitehouse Mars it is not: Reprocessed Venus image As the world looks at Mars, an American scientist has produced the best images ever obtained from the surface of a rather different planet - Venus. The second planet from the Sun is blanketed with a thick layer of cloud. Computer researcher Don Mitchell used original digital data from two Soviet Venera probes that landed in 1975. His reprocessed and recalibrated images provide a much clearer view of the Venusian surface which is hotter even than the inside of a household oven. Original digital...
 

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Books, Magazines, Movies, Music ^
  Posted by SunkenCiv
On Bloggers & Personal ^ 07/11/2004 9:34:44 PM PDT · 52 replies · 245+ views


Amazon ^ | March 2004 | Anatoly T. Fomenko
History: Fiction or Science? by Anatoly T. Fomenko
 

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54 posted on 08/05/2004 9:47:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Light Speed
Assertions that Plato just made up the story are a modern invention. : ) Attempts to place Atlantis somewhere besides west of Gibraltar are also modern inventions. Looking for it in Antarctica, or Anatolia, or Santorini, the Andes, the South China Sea, and a host of other places amounts to looking on the sidewalk for the keys you lost in the tavern because the light is better. Regardless of whether the minutaie of the story are just made up -- as I suspect they are, in the same way Herodotus made up conversations in his account of the Persian wars -- there are stories of universal flood found throughout the world.

Settegast cites the example of Catal Huyuk, which was abandoned circa 5500 BC after a 3000 year occupation. The town started full blown on the site, indicating that the culture developed elsewhere. The probable explanation is that its ancestors lived on the now-flooded continental shelf. During glaciation the sea levels were hundreds of feet lower. The lower the altitude (other things being equal), the warmer the climate, and of course the seas would be a handy source of food. There is much more in her book about this, and beyond it.

The best half-book on Atlantis.

Plato Prehistorian Plato Prehistorian
by Mary Settegast


55 posted on 08/06/2004 9:37:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for the book read ping..
Spent some time at the Catal Huyuk dig sites chat forum.

wonder if Mary spent some time there?

anyhoo...ya...Huyuk pops up out of nowhere...and their bulding teired condo's for hundreds/to near thousands from the get go.
aggriarian..and having cattle pens..

some strange social behaviour....ie..burry dead family members under the main floor of the house generationally.

How many mud/mortar, small rock/stone/mortar habitations exist from 12,000 BCE earlier..that are obliterated by rising ocean levels....or other catastrophism mechanisms.

still the crowd at the Catal Huyuk site margin these people as Neolithic doofus's...just a bit smarter than the cave crowd.

kinda limiting and dissapointing.

The academic crowd.....with their stunted imagination?

Read a few book reviews on Mary...

Seems her perspectives on form and ident ..occuring at the end of period interval..with new forms appearing..is intimidating to some scholars.

kinda of..."No Mary....Mankind is stupid.....getting smarter over time"...not..."Smart..get stupid..then get smart again"

Mary's got it right....too bad for ther University book/chalk board king.

56 posted on 08/06/2004 11:28:49 AM PDT by Light Speed
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To: RightWhale
Saw this years ago in William Corliss' newsletter, ordered it (possibly from him), read it, highly recommend it. This is a new edition, with a link to the older one:

The Pyramids: An Enigma Solved The Pyramids: An Enigma Solved
by Joseph Davidovits

hardcover earlier edition with Margie Morris


57 posted on 08/09/2004 7:22:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; chilepepper; Eastbound; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; medved; Swordmaker; ...
I've posted my Amazon review of this title (see the "in reply to" link here as well) but it isn't up yet (about 10:30 pm Sunday).

The Synchronized Chronology: Rethinking Middle East Antiquity The Synchronized Chronology:
Rethinking Middle East Antiquity

by Roger Henry
hardcover
Adobe Reader digital version d/l

website

The California Institute for Ancient Studies (very Velikovsky-like)

NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: AndrewC; Avoiding_Sulla; chilepepper; Eastbound; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; medved; Swordmaker; the_Watchman; VadeRetro; vannrox

58 posted on 08/15/2004 7:39:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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[reprised from a GGG topic] Zangger discusses the long history (circa 1885, much earlier than I'd thought) of the "Thera was Atlantis" idea, and beginning on page 44 cuts it to ribbons. It should be noted that Zangger has his own book about what was and wasn't Atlantis. ;') Check out pp 48-49 for a summary of the problems with the idea, and an amusing catalog of other things attributed to the eruption.

I bought this book in May, and having started it up tonight with some cherry picking, it looks like something I'm going to read in entire.
The Future of the Past The Future of the Past
Archaeology in the 21st Century

by Eberhard Zangger

59 posted on 08/17/2004 7:31:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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There is, of course a name (and a website) for this. :') I have had this book for years (bought it as a remainder) but have never read it.

Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and Its Consequences Innumeracy:
Mathematical Illiteracy and Its Consequences

by John Allen Paulos


60 posted on 08/21/2004 5:16:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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