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Freepers Help Me! Is the Draft Possible?
September 17,2004 | Wonderama

Posted on 09/17/2004 6:40:43 PM PDT by Wonderama

Hi fellow Freepers. I just got this e-mail from one of my misguided Liberal Dem friends. I don't know how to answer this, because, I don't know if it's true. Does anyone out there have some info on this? Is it a Democratic dirty trick, playing on the fears of mothers everywhere? I would love to reply to my friend with some concrete information. I know Israel has a mandatory draft, and it's a good thing, but I'm not sure how well it would go over here in USA.

Your help my lovable pj bloggers, is desperatly needed.


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FYI THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE AWARE OF!! Mandatory draft for boys and girls PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION!

Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.

There is pending legislation in the house and senate (twinbills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.

Actions:

Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . . And let your children know

- - it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this website:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long.

If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within it's borders. This bill also includes the extention of military service for all those that are currently active. If you go to the selcet service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergradates, our children and our grandchildren. Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you feel about this legislation.

www.house.gov www.senate.gov

Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story. The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004. The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is > an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp> entitled the Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

What to do:

Tell your friends

Contact your legislators and ask them to oppose these bills Just type "congress" into the aol search engine and input your zip code. A list of your reps will pop up with a way to email them directly. We can't just sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will go away. We must voice our concerns and create the world we want to live in for our children and grandchildren.

1 posted on 09/17/2004 6:40:44 PM PDT by Wonderama
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To: Wonderama

Go look at who sponsored the bills and get back to us.


2 posted on 09/17/2004 6:42:11 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: Wonderama

Check these out. This is running through the home school community. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1219438/posts


3 posted on 09/17/2004 6:42:44 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: Wonderama

Tell your lib friends to go see what political party is sponsoring the draft bills. But first get them to agree thatthe draft is bad idea and that no rational person would vote for that party.


4 posted on 09/17/2004 6:43:14 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: Wonderama

Two words for your Dem friend: Chuck Rangel


5 posted on 09/17/2004 6:43:15 PM PDT by gore_sux (and so does Xlinton)
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To: RWR8189

It ain't gonna pass.


6 posted on 09/17/2004 6:44:37 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: All

Are these the bills authored by Democrats Rangle and Hollings???

No one in the WH is talking about a draft,,,gotta look up that bill and see who is authoring it. This is being spread around the teaching community. I am not a teacher but I know of a couple people who have gotten these at there respective community colleges.


7 posted on 09/17/2004 6:44:55 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Wonderama
The Demoncrats are the ones who want to resurrect the draft so they can use it as a tool to turn people against the war.

If you don't want a draft, vote Republican.

8 posted on 09/17/2004 6:45:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Wonderama

http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/


9 posted on 09/17/2004 6:45:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: RWR8189

These are the sponsers of the bills.
Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services .
Well Rangel I know is a crazy idealogue, but the other two, who know?


10 posted on 09/17/2004 6:45:25 PM PDT by Wonderama
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To: Wonderama

Sponsored by Democrats, without any Republican backing, without any backing of the President, mainly to try to embarrass the President.

Now being used by Democrats to start false rumors.

CBS must be involved.


11 posted on 09/17/2004 6:45:32 PM PDT by sitetest (Spitball Kerry for Collaborator-in-Chief!)
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To: Wonderama

Rangle is an ass it will not fly.


12 posted on 09/17/2004 6:45:49 PM PDT by Fast1
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To: Wonderama

The draft is Charley Rangel's (D-NY) pet project. He wants to reinstate the draft so he can ressurect false Vietnam-era charges that the black soldiers get the most dangerous jobs, are discriminated against, etc. It was part of what I thought was a long-abandoned ploy to appear tougher than Bush on the war, co-opting his strength.


13 posted on 09/17/2004 6:46:13 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Wonderama
Yeah, yeah, we know.

We're homeschoolers, and we've seen this spam.

The following was excerpted from a note I wrote to a friend who was freaked-out about this.

I believe the Leftists started circulating this stupid piece of crap just to get us to waste cycles worrying about it.

Fuggedaboudit.

14 posted on 09/17/2004 6:46:16 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: dighton; JoJo Gunn
not freaking again...
15 posted on 09/17/2004 6:46:40 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Wonderama

Sure a draft is possible. So is getting hit by a comet. The comet is more likely so if you want to worry about something worry about that.


16 posted on 09/17/2004 6:46:47 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Wonderama

A quick search on 'draft' would have prevented this unnecessary posting. Typical scare mongering by dems has already been thoroughly debunked.


17 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:04 PM PDT by blanknoone ("New Media? Is that somewhere in Jersey?" Dan Rather aka Dem Blather)
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To: JeeperFreeper

Also, the LAST Republican president to institute a military draft was Abraham Lincoln. Otherwise, it's always been a Democrat.


18 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:10 PM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: Wonderama

S89 is from Fritz Hollings

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c108:./temp/~c108gyvquN


19 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:17 PM PDT by wesdale
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To: austinaero

Here's a comment on it from Pete Starks in January of 2003!!! It is the Rangel/Conyers bill. I know Rangel is a Democrat, gotta look at Conyers.

It is a scare tactic by the DNC.

The draft could happen under any administration.


20 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:21 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Wonderama
Is it a Democratic dirty trick, playing on the fears of mothers everywhere?

You hit the nail on the head.

This is not a serious legislative proposal. It's a boogyman.

21 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:37 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (Don't make me roll initiative...!)
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To: Wonderama

A draft will be required if john f kerry is elected. If Kerry loses, Osama will be killed or captured and peace will return to Iraq.


22 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:39 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Providence Has Favored Our Undertakings)
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To: Wonderama
And after you read the posts, and understand which party is sponsoring the draft legislation, send your dear liberal friend this message:

Liberals and Democrats eat s..t sandwiches.

23 posted on 09/17/2004 6:47:52 PM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Wonderama

Next thing ya know, the guvermint is gonna charge us for emails!


24 posted on 09/17/2004 6:48:02 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Wonderama
It's a campaign ploy by the Democrats.

They're spreading stories about the Bush administration attempting to reinstate the draft in an attempt to shore us support from toung people and blacks.

Rumsfeld, among others in the administration, has said that there is no thought of bringing back the draft — none!

25 posted on 09/17/2004 6:48:53 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Wonderama

The bills have not moved from committee in their originating house in the two years since they were introduced. They are going nowhere.


26 posted on 09/17/2004 6:48:54 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: Wonderama

I hope it does pass. Rangel and the Dems will have a lota splainin' to do.


27 posted on 09/17/2004 6:48:59 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: austinaero

OH, I see someone is lightining quick on the keys,,good job guys!!!

I forgot to post the link but that would be redundant now.

I gotta get faster on my draw!


28 posted on 09/17/2004 6:49:19 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Wonderama

Yes the Draft will only apply to Liberal Democrats (well that's all of them anyway)!!!


29 posted on 09/17/2004 6:49:31 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (God bless our troops!! Our President and those who fight against the awful commie, liberal left!!)
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To: austinaero

You are on the money. A Demoncrat, Hoolings is sponsor of Senate bill. The ubiquitious Demoncrat Rangel is sponsor of House bill. Both pieces of legislation are as dead as liberal ethics and patriotism.


30 posted on 09/17/2004 6:49:48 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: Wonderama
The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now

Here's where you can point out the lie.

Ask them why would a DemocRAT like Charlie Rangel (one of the bill's sponsors, which are all DemocRATs) sponsor a bill that a Republican administration wants passed "quietly"???? Do they think he just wants to "help" George Bush?

31 posted on 09/17/2004 6:49:56 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Wonderama

That's exactly my point.

Everyone who sponsored that bill is a far left Democrat.


32 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:00 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: Wonderama

Sure, a draft is possible. If you elect Liberals.

The Liberals haven't been able to convince the American people that a voluntary Army being sent to perform the duties it was trained and paid to do is wrong. They want a draft so unwilling participants poorly trained will be killed enmasse so the public will express outrage as in Vietnam and we lose the war.

They want the death of our children to win back their power.


33 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:20 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Wonderama

Standard answer #4F:

Yes there are draft proposals, almost all Democrat.

They have NOTHING to do with military manpower requirements.

As intended-to-fail proposals, they are straw men set up
so that Kerry+Edwards can promise to oppose them.

As serious proposals, they have everything to do with
Universal National Service - stealing two years from
every life, then 3, then 4, and why stop there ...

And National Service has nothing to do with service.
It has everything to do with indoctrination of the slaves.


34 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:22 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: thoughtomator
Everybody, and I mean everybody, get out and vote. Take nothing for granted, because you know these weasels are going to cheat. It's a given. They're faced with political extinction, and they're backs are to the wall. If it's a blowout, it reduces their chances of cheating.

Be careful out there as we get closer to the election and the gap widens further in the polls. If these maniacs will tear up a little three-year-old girl's sign, they will get violent with the rest of us.
35 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:27 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Wonderama

This is a scare tactic.

The selective service draft was elimnated over 20 years ago if it were being reistated or even considered it would be all over the main stream media. This is for a civil service draft. whom ever the leftist nitwit that sent this did not even read the bill.

It is asking for Civil service draft it is introduce and supported by Charles Rangel on of the very left's best.
Basicilly what is stating is they would like to require two years mandatory service in federal,state, or local orginization that provides a civil service to the us or abroad such as the peace corps or something like that this is not a military draft far from it. It does have a provison for a military draft is nesecarry, but since the all voulenteer military is working well and they are getting new recruits and meeting there qoutas it is unlikely that it would ever be used.

There other way that I look at it is, If you appricate the freedoms that this country has afforded you, you owe at least two years of you life in service to you country. If they are unwilling to pay that price for freedom perhaps they should be looking elsewhere to live.


36 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:40 PM PDT by Americanwolf ("Be vwey vwey quite! I am hunting DU Twolls! ---Elmer Fuwd Free Republic member and cartoon icon)
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To: hellinahandcart

Lawdy, the rumor mill is in Hyperdrive today.

Maybe I should start one of those Botswana things and ask everyone to open their bank accounts to me.


37 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:55 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.©)
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To: Wonderama
I posted on this some time ago. Charles Rangel is the sponsor of the Bill. It is still alive and well and is at the DOD for "review".

All of the 14 sponsors of the Bill are liberal Democrats. You will notice not ONE REPUBLICAN! Of the 14 the majority serve on the Black Caucus and two are liberal DEMS from the State of California.

If Kerry is elected you can bet that the Draft will be instituted.

IMHO, Rangle and the sponsors will call in their chit for the black vote. Also, with Kerry as Commander in Chief I believe we will see our men and women and service be totally devastated. The only way the USA will be able to have an Military Force will be by instituting the Draft!

Let your liberal friends and young college kids chew on this bit of reality!
38 posted on 09/17/2004 6:50:57 PM PDT by not2worry (The future of Our Country is in Our Hands on November 4, 2004!)
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To: Wonderama

Contact your congressman and tell him/her about your concerns.....


39 posted on 09/17/2004 6:51:18 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 30+ years dealing with idiots, I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.....)
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To: Wonderama

Sponsored by "Charlie Wrangle" to try and undermine support for the war and boost Kerry's chances. And now apparently being sent out by DU Koolaid drinkers to take advantage of their memogate success.


40 posted on 09/17/2004 6:52:05 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Wonderama
There are two bills before Congress; their numbers escape me at the moment.

BOTH ARE INTRODUCTED, SPONSORED, AND SIGNED ON TO BY DEMOCRATS... NOT REPUBLICANS!!!

Go to www.house.gov or www.senate.gov. They're right there for your liberal friends to read. Trust me, as long as Republicans hold the house and senate, those bills will die in committee.

41 posted on 09/17/2004 6:52:26 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Wonderama

If Kerry is elected you will see so many people leave the military that there will have to be a draft. The best way to avoid a draft is to reelect Bush.


42 posted on 09/17/2004 6:52:36 PM PDT by WWTraveler
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To: Wonderama; coconutt2000

To: SLB
This bill is stuck in committee and will stay there. It is a Democrat bill where the intent is not to bolster the armed forces, but to force military service on as many families as possible.

That's how the Democrats want to end war... by forcing any U.S. military action too include draftees.

7 posted on 09/17/2004 8:12:39 PM CDT by coconutt2000

==

BINGO. This is not about defense. It is about the destruction of the family.


43 posted on 09/17/2004 6:52:52 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Wonderama

Dear Wonderama,

Dammocraps all.

McDermott recently lost a legal battle pertaining to the illegal taping of private conversatons. Conyers is one step away from being a Communist, and Stark is the meanest, foulest congresscritter currently in office - he cussed out a Republican a few years back in a House committee hearing. He's a true POS.

And of course, Chuckie Rangel never met a Republican he didn't hate and a welfare program or race pimp he didn't love.

These are a few of the real dregs of the Dammocrap Party.


sitetest


44 posted on 09/17/2004 6:53:05 PM PDT by sitetest (Spitball Kerry for Collaborator-in-Chief!)
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To: Wonderama

THIS IS A DEM DIRTY TRICK!!

This is what a lot of my friends who are in college have been talking about. I havent seen the document until now. This explains it.

This is what they (The DNC) are using to sway younger voters AGAINST Bush.

Do we have some sort of rapid response team? Can someone post a Q/A on the Bush website we can refere them to?


45 posted on 09/17/2004 6:53:11 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Wonderama
Only if the liberal DemocRATs get their way.
46 posted on 09/17/2004 6:53:19 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (The Democrats: 9/10 girlie-men in a 9/11 world)
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To: Empireoftheatom48

Can you imagine if we really had liberal democrats drafted. Lord have mercy it would be cruel and unusual punishment for those of us who do serve.


47 posted on 09/17/2004 6:53:22 PM PDT by marmar (Faith is a beautiful thing.....)
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To: Wonderama

I agree this is Democrat BS.

However, it shows how far we have come that it horrifies folks that our young citizens might be called on to do battle with those who would murder our children while they slept if they could.

Why would a lottery with no exemption be too horrible to contemplate? We share the danger, why not share the burden?


48 posted on 09/17/2004 6:53:44 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Wonderama

Yes, these are pending, and YES, they have rabid Demon-rats sponsoring them. There is NO plan that I've heard of throughout the army to re-institute the draft. The Army would have to ramp up the number of Drill Sergeants and training companies, just like the other services. There is always a push for more Drill Sergeants, but there is no more pressure for them than any other time.

IMHO (I am just a lowly E-7): no draft


49 posted on 09/17/2004 6:54:30 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (I went to Iraq and I didn't even get the t-shirt)
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To: Wonderama
Awwww don't sweat the rumors....a nice four year stint of ridin the wire in Korea will be good for ya !.........:o)

Stay Safe

50 posted on 09/17/2004 6:55:01 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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