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Convicted By Suspicion -- Why Scott Peterson May Be Innocent
The Hollywood Investigator ^ | 11/30/2004 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 11/30/2004 10:26:51 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman

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To: J. Neil Schulman
"Those of you willing to abandon that for the momentary rush of seeing a nasty man burned at the stake are not celebrating American principles. You're celebrating Soviet, Nazi, and Taliban-style "justice." "

Are you serious? This last statement exposes you as an intellectual fraud. This last sentence has become the de riguer last stand of the left. "If you don't agree with me, you are a racist/homophobe/Nazi (pick one)." Soviets and Nazis executed people based on political, religious or philosophical grounds. Lumping this POS in with the millions of brave souls who stood against these regimes is an insult to their memories. As for the Taliban; what Peterson did is their idea of justice. He killed his 'inconvenient' wife! They did that all the time.

Don't make impassioned statements about 'inflamed prejudice' and then call those that disagree with you Nazis!
161 posted on 11/30/2004 1:13:48 PM PST by danno3150
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To: spiralsue

They believe Laci was smothered or strangled.There was her hair in the pliers but none of her blood was found.


162 posted on 11/30/2004 1:17:25 PM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: sandbar
I never posited the ridiculous, only you did, which I would have taken as sarcasm, up until you claimed it to be mine. Very convenient for you - you tell me what my position is and then hold it up to ridicule. Awfully close to arguing with yourself, however.

Look, it's really quite simple. I would posit that I probably might find all the evidence presented sufficient to agree she had been murdered. I do not believe, however, that the case presented proved he did it. Without both, I could not convict. You on the other hand, appear open to the possibility.

163 posted on 11/30/2004 1:18:02 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: danno3150

BRAVO!


164 posted on 11/30/2004 1:18:33 PM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: spiralsue

Bravissimo!!

Great analysis in a nano second. You must be a prosecutor - or a really good parent;)

Thanks


165 posted on 11/30/2004 1:20:17 PM PST by sodpoodle (sparrows are underrated)
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To: sandbar

Laci's dead body being found in the bay is evidence that either she died there or her body was dumped there.

In the absence of an ME's determination telling us the cause of death, we have to eliminate natural causes, accidental death, and suicide before we can conclude her death was a homicide.

An eight-month-pregnant woman suspecting her lying husband was meeting his mistress, and tailing him to the bay, could account for any of the three non-homicide explanations.

Heck, for all we know she went fishing with him, fell overboard, and Scott -- a pathological liar -- locked himself into a stupid lie that got him convicted.

The point is: what happened was never proved in court by substantial and irrefutable evidence, and the defendant being emotionally distant, a pathological liar, and a serial adulterer isn't a case for murder.

JNS


166 posted on 11/30/2004 1:21:09 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: DK Zimmerman

No, I do not have it backward. Your terminology is incorrect. The key word is REASONABLE. Not just doubt. The standard is not "beyond a reasonable doubt." The prosecutor must "prove to the exclusion of reasonable doubt" that the accused did the crime. They do not have to prove how, when and why. Under your standard, we could all go out and kill with impunity. You would reward a criminal who has the ability to cover up a crime. The jury who are given detailed instructions stating that they can only find REASONABLE doubt if they can explain the evidence within the REASONABLE scenario that is giving them doubt. Otherwise, according to your standard, someone could say, "well, it must have been those little green creatures I see at night. They took her." Some juror may have a doubt but if it is not REASONABLE considering the evidence presented, they must convict. Why do you assume I'm not a lawyer??


167 posted on 11/30/2004 1:22:36 PM PST by spiralsue (I will never forget 9/11)
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To: PeterFinn
And the poor bastard was tried by twelve people just like you.

No, the point I was trying to make was the guy was tried by people just like EVERYONE-All kinds of people, sex, race, economic strata.

What was this guy's lawyer doing (In the case I described)...Didn't he tell the guy not to antagonize the jury? Didn't anyone know better? The jury is made up of ordinary people, not trained in Law. As such they are going to act like ordinary people. Most of them do not even want to be there. Why would a defendent go out of his way to get these people down on him? It made no sense.

168 posted on 11/30/2004 1:24:26 PM PST by Gorzaloon (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: danno3150
Slow down, Danno. Someone previously mentioned witch hunting/trials. Salem's version was, I believe, uniquely American, but certainly not what he meant either. Why not charge him with that too?

He didn't label you as any of those things. He suggested that settling for less than true justice suggested a willingness to settle for those types of justice. His hyperbole might have been too much, but hey, an objective read should bear me out.

169 posted on 11/30/2004 1:25:39 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: sodpoodle

Why, thank you. I'm so sick of hearing about how maybe there was some doubt about this guy. When you put all the pieces together as in a jigsaw puzzle (text book circumstantial case), what is the total picture? In this baby-and-wife killer's picture, there is only one REASONABLE conclusion...

Do I need to say it?


170 posted on 11/30/2004 1:32:31 PM PST by spiralsue (I will never forget 9/11)
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To: ElkGroveDan
You forgot: No evidence was every presented showing that Scott bopped Lacy over the head with a bowling pin, nor was any evidence presented that Peterson ever owned a bowling pin, or for that matter had been to a bowling alley any time in the last ten years.

LOL

171 posted on 11/30/2004 1:33:40 PM PST by Samwise (This day does not belong to one man but to all. --Aragorn)
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To: MEG33

Yeah, that's right. Scumbag Peterson was proven to be a meticulous housekeeper, wasn't he? He was mopping up when they came to arrest him, wasn't he? He is such a clean freak.


172 posted on 11/30/2004 1:37:31 PM PST by spiralsue (I will never forget 9/11)
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To: DK Zimmerman
Please read my post again. I did not accuse him of calling me any of those things. What I object to is the way the terms Nazi and Taliban are thrown around. It may be hyperbole, but it's used far too frequently these days to shut down any kind of dissent. That is what I resent.

My other problem is that using this hyperbole is contradictory to his argument, despite mentions of the Salem witch trials earlier in the thread. You can not speak against prejudice in one breath and then tack the worst possible label on those who disagree in the next. It is hypocritical and intellectually dishonest.
173 posted on 11/30/2004 1:37:46 PM PST by danno3150
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To: DK Zimmerman

How many people died while the guy was driving in his proper lane with the right of way?


174 posted on 11/30/2004 1:38:17 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: J. Neil Schulman
An eight-month-pregnant woman suspecting her lying husband was meeting his mistress, and tailing him to the bay, could account for any of the three non-homicide explanations

So, she let her dog out of the house, and then took a cab to tail Scott to the bay... but Scott wasn't there with Amber, so she got out and weighted herself down with something and jumped into the bay? Yeah, that's reasonable.

175 posted on 11/30/2004 1:39:21 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Wrong-oh, JNS. The suspicion priority is first a homicide, second an accident, third a suicide, last natural causes. Some death certificates actually say "undetermined" as a cause. Does that mean they are not really dead?

Dun, dun, dun....


176 posted on 11/30/2004 1:40:44 PM PST by spiralsue (I will never forget 9/11)
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To: spiralsue
Are we a bit paranoid? I never assumed anything about you.

As to backwards, I was referring to the fact that the state must prove their case, the burden is upon them to do so. You, I believe, placed undue emphasis on the jury's ability to think of alternatives, distorting things to the point that the jury is required to accept the state's version of what happened if they can't figure out an alternative explantion. This would seem to beg prosecutors to seek only unimaginative jurors, which I believe they do, but for other reasons.

As to specific wording, I believe it actually varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But hey, I'm no lawyer. I just read a lot.

177 posted on 11/30/2004 1:43:54 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: kjam22

YUP... media lynching.


178 posted on 11/30/2004 1:44:00 PM PST by antceecee
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To: danno3150
Sorry Danno, how else am I to interpret "Don't make impassioned statements about 'inflamed prejudice' and then call those that disagree with you Nazis!"

Sure sounds like you accusing him of calling you one, but maybe that's just my perception.

179 posted on 11/30/2004 1:47:06 PM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: spiralsue

Suspicion is irrelevant.

The ME's office must determine that a homicide has occurred before a prosecutor is supposed to charge someone with unlawful homicide.


180 posted on 11/30/2004 1:47:30 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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