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Convicted By Suspicion -- Why Scott Peterson May Be Innocent
The Hollywood Investigator ^ | 11/30/2004 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 11/30/2004 10:26:51 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman

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To: .38sw

In the absence of a corpse, how are we to know that a murder has occurred? There could be a witness to a murder and the victim is missing, and a trail of supporting forensic evidence, for example.

But in this case the body gives no evidence that the cause of death was homicide, so we must to go other evidence ... and that evidence is lacking, as I pointed out. No eyewitnesses, no evidence of a murder weapon having existed much less one that links the victim to a suspect, no crime scene, no known time or place of death, no forensic evidence that isn't compatible with common transference.

It's counter-intuitive that Scott Peterson -- who was so clumsy in his lies that even the clueless Amber Frey figured it out -- committed an otherwise perfect crime.

JNS


251 posted on 11/30/2004 8:47:38 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: J. Neil Schulman
You are totally self-serving.
IMO, you use FR for self promotion purposes only.


No murder?
A body weighted down?

You deal is simplicities.
Your arguments transcend logic and the law.

I won't wish you luck in your attempt to peddle your "book."
252 posted on 11/30/2004 8:52:44 PM PST by onyx
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To: Velveeta

Velveeta wrote:

"[Quoting me] 'No ME could possibly conclude the cause of death as homicide because they were unable to determine a cause of death.'

"The cause of death was homicide: by ruling out natural cause, suicide and accident. The ME was not able to determine MANNER of death."

That's playing with words. The medical examiners who performed the autopsies could not offer an opinion to a medical certainty on how or why or what week Laci Peterson and her baby died.

JNS


253 posted on 11/30/2004 8:53:25 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Your entire article is FOS to anyone who has been paying the slightest bit of attention to this trial.

And that would not include you. Because if you had, you'd know that you don't need a body, a cause of death, or a motive to convict.





***CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE - Circumstantial evidence is best explained by saying what it is not - it is not direct evidence from a witness who saw or heard something. Circumstantial evidence is a fact that can be used to infer another fact.

Circumstantial evidence is generally admissible in court unless the connection between the fact and the inference is too weak to be of help in deciding the case. Many convictions for various crimes have rested largely on circumstantial evidence.

CIRCUMSTANCES - The particulars which accompany a fact.

The facts proved are either possible or impossible, ordinary and probable, or extraordinary and improbable, recent or ancient; they may have happened near us or afar off; they are public or private, permanent or transitory, clear and simple or complicated; they are always accompanied by circumstances which more or less influence the mind in forming a judgment. And in some instances these circumstances assume the character of irresistible evidence; where, for example, a woman was found dead in a room with every mark of having met with a violent death, the presence of another person at the scene of action was made manifest by the bloody mark of a left hand visible on her left arm.

These points ought to be carefully examined in order to form a correct opinion. The first question ought to be; is the fact possible? If so, are there any circumstances which render it impossible? If the facts are impossible, the witness ought not to be credited. If, for example, a man should swear that he saw the deceased shoot himself with his own pistol and upon an examination of the ball which killed him it should be found too large to enter into the pistol, the witness ought not to be credited. Or if one should swear that another had been guilty of an impossible crime.


254 posted on 11/30/2004 8:56:43 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: Velveeta; Petronski


"If you don't have the facts, argue the law. If you don't have the law, argue the facts. If you don't have the law or the facts, impugn the fairness of the process."



Thanks, JP.


255 posted on 11/30/2004 8:56:54 PM PST by onyx
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To: J. Neil Schulman

*sigh* If this is an example of your ability to think and reason, then I won't be buying any of your books.


256 posted on 11/30/2004 8:56:58 PM PST by .38sw
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To: onyx

onyx wrote:
You are totally self-serving. IMO, you use FR for self promotion purposes only. No murder? A body weighted down?
You deal is simplicities. Your arguments transcend logic and the law. I won't wish you luck in your attempt to peddle your "book."

Okay, this is both a personal smear and completely irrelevant to proving your case.

You have all the qualifications to have been on the prosecution team in the trial of Scott Peterson.

JNS


257 posted on 11/30/2004 8:58:15 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: onyx

I thought I said don't quote me.


;O)


258 posted on 11/30/2004 8:58:26 PM PST by Petronski (One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble, not much between despair and ecstasy.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
In the absence of a corpse, how are we to know that a murder has occurred?

Just one example, but there are many:

Person X is missing and reported as such by her husband. The husband has replaced carpeting in the bedroom, but the blood stain is still illuminated with luminol. The area of the blood stain to the volume of blood loss can be calculated to determine that anyone losing that volume of blood would be dead.

259 posted on 11/30/2004 8:59:27 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Petronski


Could NOT resist.
I liked it too much.


260 posted on 11/30/2004 8:59:35 PM PST by onyx
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To: J. Neil Schulman
who was so clumsy in his lies that even the clueless Amber Frey figured it out...

I'm going to Amazon and write a review of ALL your books, cautioning would be buyer's that you have a bad habit of NOT knowing the facts you're writing about.

She did NOT figure it out.

261 posted on 11/30/2004 8:59:41 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: onyx

I remember quipping in law school "and if you don't have the law or the facts, run like hell."


262 posted on 11/30/2004 9:00:42 PM PST by Petronski (One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble, not much between despair and ecstasy.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
That's playing with words.

That's laughable coming from you.

263 posted on 11/30/2004 9:00:58 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
That's playing with words.

Yeah, that technical jargon...who needs it? LOL

You did not read the transcripts...did you?

264 posted on 11/30/2004 9:01:37 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: .38sw

.38sw wrote:

"*sigh* If this is an example of your ability to think and reason, then I won't be buying any of your books."

If your demonstrated skill is writing unsupported personal attacks, you have a future as a Democratic Party operative.

JNS


265 posted on 11/30/2004 9:03:04 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: onyx

Please continue...

Impugn the fairness of the process and you're a Geragos shill.


266 posted on 11/30/2004 9:03:20 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Okay, this is both a personal smear and completely irrelevant to proving your case.

You have all the qualifications to have been on the prosecution team in the trial of Scott Peterson.







Personal smear? HA! Your writing speaks for itself.

I do not have a case to prove.
Your premise is bogus.
You have not made a legitimate arguement.

Your musings are simplistic.
They fail in the face of the massive circumstancial evidence.

You're trying to peddle your 'book.'




267 posted on 11/30/2004 9:04:09 PM PST by onyx
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Ya know, I supported all of my statements. What I wrote is pretty mild in the real of "personal attacks". If saying that you make no sense and that I question your ability to think and reason because you aren't making any sense, then fine. Attack me by saying I belong in the Democrat party. You may as well report me to the mods while you're at it.


268 posted on 11/30/2004 9:05:15 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Velveeta

I think this poster wishes he were on SP's team. LOL.
Imagine, Geragos could have used ALL these marvelous arguements.
Silly Geragos, he must need a refresher course from this poster.



269 posted on 11/30/2004 9:06:40 PM PST by onyx
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To: Petronski


I remember quipping in law school "and if you don't have the law or the facts, run like hell."





Or write a book? LOL.


270 posted on 11/30/2004 9:08:36 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

onyx wrote:

"You're trying to peddle your 'book.'"

That particular book came out seven years ago. Six more of my books have been published since, and none of them have anything to do with this topic. Neither does my next book.

I've already had one poster to this forum threaten to write bad reviews of all my books on Amazon.com for spite.

Yeah, that must be it. I came here to sell my old book.

JNS


271 posted on 11/30/2004 9:10:17 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: J. Neil Schulman
Okay, this is both a personal smear

Since when is the truth a personal smear?

Almost without exception, your posts are YOUR articles, with links back to YOUR sleazy web site.

272 posted on 11/30/2004 9:14:20 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: J. Neil Schulman


I checked your forum posts.
All I found were articles penned by you.
THAT is what I call a self promoting use of FR.


273 posted on 11/30/2004 9:14:40 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

I think this poster very well could be Mark Geragos.........LOL.


274 posted on 11/30/2004 9:15:55 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: onyx

*FWEET*

Personal attack!! Smear!!

Flag on the field.


275 posted on 11/30/2004 9:16:42 PM PST by .38sw
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To: Howlin


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA!

Is it the sleaze?


276 posted on 11/30/2004 9:16:54 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

It's the complete detachment from reality that is the big tipoff.


277 posted on 11/30/2004 9:17:36 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: .38sw

ROTFLOL!
Too funny.
Thanks, I needed a great laugh.


278 posted on 11/30/2004 9:18:08 PM PST by onyx
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To: Howlin

And the arrogance.
Geeeeeeeeeez.
How I ever managed to not cross paths with
this one, I will NEVER know!

LOL!


279 posted on 11/30/2004 9:20:06 PM PST by onyx
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To: Velveeta

Velveeta wrote:
"[Quoting me] 'In the absence of a corpse, how are we to know that a murder has occurred?'

"Just one example, but there are many: Person X is missing and reported as such by her husband. The husband has replaced carpeting in the bedroom, but the blood stain is still illuminated with luminol. The area of the blood stain to the volume of blood loss can be calculated to determine that anyone losing that volume of blood would be dead."

Good example!

The trouble in this case is that nothing equally as inculpatory as a positive luminol reading exists.

JNS


280 posted on 11/30/2004 9:23:00 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: Howlin

Howlin wrote:
"Almost without exception, your posts are YOUR articles, with links back to YOUR sleazy web site."

I've made my living as a writer for over three decades. Most writers won't let you read a word they write without getting paid by a publisher.

Now I'm a sleaze because I let people read some of my articles for free.

There's some Biblical advice regarding being careless with pearls, but I just can't remember it right now.

JNS


281 posted on 11/30/2004 9:27:24 PM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: Petronski

Skip the jury; Would have a trial before the Bench rendered a different verdict?


282 posted on 11/30/2004 9:28:35 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
But in this case the body gives no evidence that the cause of death was homicide,

It provides substantial circumstantial evidence to that effect. A dead body would generally float and wash ashore within a fairly short length of time unless something was weighing it down. The state of decomposition when the bodies washed ashore would suggest that either Ms. Peterson entered the water some considerable time after death, or else that when she entered the water her body was weighed down by something substantial. While it would be vaguely conceivable that she might have died of accidental or natural causes and then had somebody decide to dispose of her body at the bottom of the bay, such a notion would stretch credulity to the breaking point.

283 posted on 11/30/2004 9:33:43 PM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
You're letting us read your musings for free?
Why thank you.
No buyers, or just your generosity?
Not that the FREE publicity and FR forum doesn't help you, right?
Free exposure.
Nah. Can't be that.
284 posted on 11/30/2004 9:35:22 PM PST by onyx
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To: J. Neil Schulman
There's some Biblical advice regarding being careless with pearls, but I just can't remember it right now.

I'm not the least bit surprised you can't remember it, among other things.

Facts and references don't seem to be "your thing."

And nobody has complained one bit about your "letting" anybody read your crap; we're complaining because you're trolling for hits.

Somehow or other, I get the impression you're not Tom Clancy. I've read THIS article and see enough misinformation and out and out distortions to know I don't need to read the rest.

285 posted on 11/30/2004 9:37:38 PM PST by Howlin (W, Still the President)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
"no evidence of a murder weapon having existed"

Since the body was literally torn limb from limb (no arms, no legs, no head), I think we can safely affirm there was a murder weapon unless Scott used his bare hands. There was evidence of cover up and evidence of blood in the bedroom. Lots of it. So, murder weapon(s)...plenty of evidence. We just don't know what the weapon was.

I've heard a lot about the lack of evidence in the case, but I think that's overblown. Shades of OJ and MSM sensationalism. Makes a better story if it appears the prosecution has made a bad case. The facts are that there was certainly enough evidence for the jury to find unanimously that this man killed his wife and baby. Then made every appearance that he was going to run to boot.

After hearing about the agony of the mother's testimony tonight and feeling her pain as a mother myself, I'm going to write her a letter of sympathy. I've followed the case, and IMHO, I would have convicted, too. I think it's a great victory for right and justice, and it's about time, too. The mom suffered enough, in her own right, that I think he should face the chair just for THAT alone.

286 posted on 11/30/2004 9:40:42 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi.)
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To: DK Zimmerman
"Beyond a reasonable doubt" refers to the requirement for the prosecution to PROVE exactly how, why, and when the alleged crime took place, by the alleged criminal.

TILT>>WRONG!
The state does NOT have to prove exactly where the murder was committed, how the murder was committed or motive.
Reasonable people can listen to the evidence and allow it lead them to a plausible scenario of the when, how and why..however.
287 posted on 12/01/2004 12:05:50 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: Hi Heels

As there was no head and the neck bones were missing..strangulation could not be proved..but as there was no blood, it or suffocation can be implied..You are mistaken about "lots af blood"..that was all media hype.

The body was probably missing limbs and the head because of the weights and ocean movement along the bottom..She broke loose from the silt because of a storm and the baby finally emerged from a hole in the top of the uterus...The uterus was the only almost intact organ left in her body.

There was no disturbance of the house and her expensive jewelry was on her dresser...He left the neighborhood(trace by cell tower) at 10:08..at 10:18 the dog is discovered by a neighbor dragging its leash..Laci was "mopping" in black pants according to Scott when he left..She washed up in tan pants..He lied..and 10 minutes does not give enough time for her to mop, change clothes, put on and tie her shoes;leash the dog and be kidnapped.


288 posted on 12/01/2004 12:22:05 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Dear sir...Check out the Globe as an outlet for your writing..Too many posters here know the case,read the transcripts and know the law.


289 posted on 12/01/2004 12:35:07 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: MEG33


Hi Meg.
Wish you could have been here earlier. :)


290 posted on 12/01/2004 12:40:19 AM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

Onyx ..my first post was #8...I have also provided three sources for the definition of reasonable doubt..something some just don't get..

I cannot believe some of these posters lack of knowledge of the facts of the case and the false rules of law they present as fact!!..


291 posted on 12/01/2004 12:51:30 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman; Howlin; onyx

I have access to excellent writers every day, any hour of the day on the internet and my library enables me read books of fiction for free.


292 posted on 12/01/2004 1:05:42 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: MEG33



Yes FICTION.
You're a smart girl, Meg.


293 posted on 12/01/2004 1:10:42 AM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

;)


294 posted on 12/01/2004 1:18:32 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: Howlin

Howlin wrote:
"[Quoting me]: 'There's some Biblical advice regarding being careless with pearls, but I just can't remember it right now.'

"I'm not the least bit surprised you can't remember it, among other things.

"Facts and references don't seem to be 'your thing.'"

I was trying to be civil: It's Matthew 7:6.

JNS


295 posted on 12/01/2004 2:50:41 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: MEG33

MEG33 wrote:

"I have access to excellent writers every day, any hour of the day on the internet and my library enables me read books of fiction for free."

My novels and short-story collection have had reasonably good library sales over the last 25 years. Look me up in yours.

JNS


296 posted on 12/01/2004 2:57:56 AM PST by J. Neil Schulman
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To: kjam22
If you think about it, why would a stranger go to all the trouble to drive 90 miles to hide her body????? A stranger who murders doesn't need to hide the body. Obviously, Scott needed to hide it where he "thought" it would never be found, thought it would wash out to sea!

If someone was trying to frame Scott, who is it? There was never any evidence brought up that he had enemies just waiting to frame him, there was never a ransom note demanding money, so who is this stranger that must have been the guilty one, if Scott didn't do it????

297 posted on 12/01/2004 2:58:15 AM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: FoxPro

Post #297


298 posted on 12/01/2004 2:59:17 AM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

post #297


299 posted on 12/01/2004 3:02:42 AM PST by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

LOL!


300 posted on 12/01/2004 3:10:13 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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