Skip to comments.Exiling Unborn Children of American Citizens
Posted on 12/19/2004 3:09:50 PM PST by indoeuro
Our Last Christmas in America
I, after much research, have come to know hundreds upon hundreds of unborn children of American Citizens are banished, exiled, removed from the soil of these United States each and every year. It is disheartening to know so-called "pro-life" and "pro-family" groups and organizations are in either overt or covert support of the exiling of unborn children of United States Citizens.
"Why, why your care, why your concern, about these unborn children" you ask?
I am a natural born citizen of the United States. My wife came to the United States as in immigrant by reason of marriage to a United States Citizen in 1991. She has been an example of what I believe every woman of America should be, pro-family, pro-life, and pro-America. In our town, in our community, she has stood upright; with no criminal charges no matter how small against her.
During an immigration interview in 1993 my wife's prior husband (a United States Citizen) who engaged in abuse of alcohol and illicit drugs, and abuse of my wife, told an official of what was then the I N S that he only married my wife for a sum of eight hundred dollars so she could gain resident status in the United States. He knew my wife was filing for divorce because of his behavior and thought he could make a preemptive attack on her. The immigration officer took the information and ran; calling the marriage a fraud. My wife was ordered to leave the country. She appealed the decision to a singular immigration judge (I.J.). The I. J. made her case drag out for years with continuances for ten years.
I have known my wife as friend for the past eight years, we have been married now for a year and a half. We now have an unborn child and my wife has been ordered removed from the United States; and, she may never return to the United States. With her, our unborn child is now to be EXILED, removed, banished, sent packing from the United States. Our unborn child will have no right to be a natural born citizen, as opposed to a naturalized citizen. My wife and our unborn child will find themselves on the streets of a small island nation she has had no ties to, likely within a one months time.
My Government leaves me with no option. My wife and our unborn child are my life, they are my love. I am preparing to resign from my employment, we are selling our home and the bulk of our possessions. I too must consider myself exiled along with our unborn child and my wife. I had never in my life thought I would be forced abandon my allegiance to my nation. Now I must. I must take up residence in the small island nation, gain permanent residence there, and following that become a citizen of that nation. With this, I must renounce my United States citizenship.
As I have sought comment, guidance, or form of support from "pro-life" and "pro-family" groups and organization and searched the true thoughts and direction of these organizations I have come to a keen awareness. I have found that the "rights of the unborn" are of no consequence, need, or value to these organizations "if" immigration is an issue. I have found most of these organizations to be anti-immigrant to the point where the life of the unborn does not matter to them. Case in point. A courageous Federal Judge in the state of Missouri ordered, using "Unborn Victims of Violence Act", an unborn child of a United States citizen was wrongly removed from the United States, that the unborn child is a United States Citizen, that the unborn child be brought back to the United States by the non-citizen mother, the wife of a United States Citizen. This ruling was denounced by the abortion crowd as flying in the face of Roe v Wade; and, ignored by "pro-life" and "pro-family" groups and organizations. This case should have been taken up as a "banner case" by so-called "pro-life" and "pro-family" organizations and groups. This case could have been one of many cannonball fired against the ship of so-called "pro-choice" and Roe v Wade. Rather, the cannonball was thrown overboard because of anti-immigrant sentiments.
I am not one for "citizenship by tourism", the use of "anchor babies" for gaining citizenship. I believe there should be a Constitutional Amendment superseding the Fourteenth. I believe if "one or both" parents of a child born in the United States are citizens, then the child should be a Citizen. With my wife, myself, and our unborn child the case of "anchor baby" does not apply.
My wife and I are mid-middle aged. God has given us an unexpected child. Now in an "at risk" pregnancy, my wife and I go into exile from the place we have loved and called home, our nation. We prepare for a nonstop flight of thirteen hours to a foreign nation neither of us has ties to. We believe "pro-life" and "pro-family" legislation will remain stagnant until the right for unborn children not to be exiled from the United States is included in the values supposed.
Birth Abroad in Wedlock to One U.S. Citizen Parent and One Alien Parent:
A child born abroad, in wedlock, to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth after 2:07 PM, November 14, 1986, a period of five years' physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and at or before 2:07 PM, November 14, 1986, a period of ten years' physical presence, five after the age of fourteen, is required to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)
Number 3 should clarify. Merry Christmas RD.
Did it occur to you to marry her eight years ago?
I hope you had appropriate legal counsel during the course of your wife's hearings with the INS.
Since you didn't know that your child will be eligible for U.S. citizenship at birth (despite being overseas), it doesn't sound like you've been speaking with an immigration lawyer.
And having been through my wife's INS encounters over 4 years (she's now a U.S. citizen), I can tell you that going it alone with the INS/ICE/CIS and without an immigration attorney is flat-out the wrong way to go.
My wife has had an immigration attorney. And, I know of right to get citizenship for our child. But, I am not going to permit my wife and our unborn child to be dropped onto the streets of a nation she has no ties to. I have to go along. I will not allow the break-up of my family. To remain intact as a family, I must become a resident of that country and give up my United States Citizenship.
I understand that and would probably do the same thing or something similar.
But I have to ask: is what you propose the advice of your immigration attorney, and the one and only option that's been given to you by that attorney?
Are you sure you have to give up U.S. citizenship to gain permanent residency in the host country? That's rather draconian, even Vietnam will provide residency to the spouse of a Vietnamese citizen, and the same with Thailand and Taiwan.
I doubt it. The quoted $800 is far below the market rate for the spousal visa scam (I've heard $10K to $20K). Also the living arrangements with husband #1 are not consistent with that scam. Finally, the spousal visa makes broad allowances for abusive situations.
I see. Got it. Same to you, Pops. Gotta get my B-Day out the way this Wednesday though.
Happy Bday young feller.
Actually, this is the latest incarnation of the RonlyBJ (take that as you will) trying to cover for Albanian Muslim Terrorists sneaking across the borders of Kosovo to steal Serbian land.
Srebrenica Squak! Srebrenica Squak! Srebrenica Squak!
Sorry, I can't decode your post.
My experience, and what I observe of others, is first of all, an overwhelming laziness and incompetence among employees of the INS. We were married in 1/78. My wife applied for citizenship as soon as eligible but did not obtain it until 2002 (just in time for the local GOP primary).
The prime role of the "lawyer" is not to know the complex law, which is complex. No. The prime role of the lawyer it to motivate the INS employees (by whatever means necessary) to dump the laziness and do a little work.
But I agree with one of the original pleadings. Most pro-lifers see the right to life as coming from God to all of God's little children. But some pro-lifers seem to think that the right to life comes from a very small god who can't care about more than a limited number of babies.
Absolutely correct. The immgration process is actually simple, consisting of some forms and supporting documentation for the most part.
After that, it's a matter of getting the right INS/ICE/CIS honcho to pull your file from that 2 foot stack on his desk.
Right down to the naturalization wire, my lawyer (a passive aggressive type) had to make an appointment with "the boss." When we went to visit him, he pulled wifey's file off the top of his stack, fully approved, and asked "Is this what you're looking for?"
Our lawyer's true artistry was in making that file gravitate from the bottom to the top of the stack.
I recommended her to a friend and she employed that same magic to resolve a 5-year old tussle with INS in a matter of months.
And these are the people we trust to save us from terrorists. Remember what did and did not work on 911.
What did not work:
INS, Army, Navy, AirForce, Marines, Coast Guard, FBI, CIA, NSC, Customs, FAA, CAB, XYZ.
What did work on 911:
The militia over Pennsylvania, as was intended by the founders. We are so hung upon one tool of the militia that we forget, it is not about the tool. It is about us and our moral (but not legal) duty and courage to act. If we as the militia do not act, the only eventual alternative is a police state.
In my case (my wife's, actually) it just meant having an aggressive attorney with lots of contacts. Nothing more.
Hey guy. A Federal judge already ordered the pregnant wife of an American citizen be returned to the United States because their unborn child was an American citizen. This took place in middle of this year. You would do good to make a search for the judge's ruling.
All the best to you and your family.
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