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Roll Your Own: My Experiences (Saving tons and smoking less)
Today | RandallFlagg

Posted on 12/30/2004 6:47:41 AM PST by RandallFlagg

Well, it's been a week and I have to say that I'm really enjoying these homemade cigarettes. It's so easy to do and it's saving tons of $$$.

With the cigarette cartons skyrocketing at the first of the year (At least in Colorado), we'll need alternatives. So, I'm starting this thread for FReepers who are thinking about going into this little venture for themselves.

I got these items when I started up:
Premier Supermatic II Injector Machine $36.99
1 x Sixty1 100mm Tubes $2.39
1 x Farmers Gold Additive Free Tobacco 16oz. $12.99
I got them from http://www.rollyourown.com
Now, the Supermatic II only makes king size cigarettes. If you smoke 100s, you'll have to go with the Premier Supermatic Injector Machine Kit, which goes for about $50.00 (comes with tubes and a plastic cigarette case -no tobacco). It has a select switch which accomodates kings and 100s. I found the tubes to be a bit harsh as well, so I found an in-town shop that sold Zig-Zag tubes (I can't remember the price, but I'll be getting those online as well) and they were a lot nicer. The machine needed some slight modifications as well. The "Spoon" (the part that the tube is inserted into) was a little too wide to fit inside the tube. However a quick filing around the edges made everything work out nicely. I cranked out all 200 tubes (one carton, minus the few I smoked while cranking) in about a half hour. Also, it's a bit messy, so do this in an area that's easy to clean up (a tabletop).

Now, the flavor of the cigarette was something else. It was nice and strong; the way I like them to be. My Wife thought they were too harsh, which I expected because she smokes lights. I then gave one to a buddy I work with (who's retiring today *sob*) after cranking it out right in front of him to show him how easy it is to do. After smoking it, he liked it so much that he bought the machine from me the next day. (His Wife's probably going to hate me for that)

I'm wondering about a few things. Like where is the best place to keep the tobacco; should I get a humidor? If I cut it down correctly, could I use pipe tobacco? Things of that sort. These questions will probably be answered after some more experimenting and modifying.

Anyhoo. I just thought that it might be a good idea for there to be a FR thread for this kind of stuff. So. Here it is. Please feel free to add comments.

And, PLEASE don't bother with the, "Smoking will kill you," lines. Life is meant to be enjoyed. I always tell people, "I know my luck. I'll quit smoking today, and next week get run over by a truck."

Here's the links I have:

http://www.rollyourown.com/

http://www.stuffyourown.com

http://www.ryomagazine.com

http://www.ryocigarette.com/

http://www.cigarettetobacco.com/

http://www.americanthrusttobacco.com/

http://www.americanthrusttobacco.com/home/home.html

http://www.tobaccostation.com/index.html

http://www.ryotobacco.com/

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: pufflist; rollyourown; stuffyourown
*cough*
1 posted on 12/30/2004 6:47:42 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: RandallFlagg

You could have saved that $100 by quiting.


2 posted on 12/30/2004 6:51:54 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn
You could have saved that $100 by quiting.

Sigh...
With all the other things that's going to kill me out there: soda, LCD monitors, sugar, caffeine, salt, beer, walking, SUVs, breathing, owning firearms, shampoo, pork chops, McDonald's, President Bush,...........

I think I'll enjoy smoking before I assume room temperature all too soon.

Thanks for caring, though.
3 posted on 12/30/2004 6:58:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg
I haven't started rolling my own (yet), but I am getting ready to start growing my own.

Plantation House in England sells seeds over the net (coffinnails.com) complete with instructions for growing and drying.

Tobacco will grow just about anywhere in America. The Colonials used it for money and grew it in the streets.

4 posted on 12/30/2004 7:05:12 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am not a 'legal entity')
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To: MamaTexan

I wondered that myself. But was also wondering if a license was required..


5 posted on 12/30/2004 7:13:12 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg; SheLion

Rolling rolling rolling,,, keep those doggies rolling.... :-)


puff bump


6 posted on 12/30/2004 7:15:58 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: RandallFlagg; Gabz
But was also wondering if a license was required..

I believe that as long as the total acreage is less than 1/4 acre you do not need a license.

Gabz, you may know about this better than I since you decided to try growing your own.

7 posted on 12/30/2004 7:19:39 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: RandallFlagg
I prefer the Premier cigarette tube myself.

Is the tobacco you're using a full flavor shag, a halfezware, or a milde shag?

8 posted on 12/30/2004 7:21:26 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
I believe that as long as the total acreage is less than 1/4 acre you do not need a license.

Really? I wonder... It can't be harder than growing venus's flytraps (Yes, I'm growing one).
9 posted on 12/30/2004 7:22:50 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg

From what I understand the drying and curing is harder than the growing.


10 posted on 12/30/2004 7:24:00 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: RandallFlagg

You have no idea what crap they put in manufactured cigarettes.

A buddy of mine went to work for one of the tobbacco companies after leaving the Air Force, and he was bragging about how they have a machine on the production line that can do a zillion quality control checks by passing radiation through the cigarette and measuring the results.

I quit smoking that afternoon.


11 posted on 12/30/2004 7:24:35 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Just another Joe

It's just that Farmer's Gold stuff. I don't know about any, "Shag," stuff. I also have a one pounder of this, "Gambler," stuff that I haven't opened yet.


12 posted on 12/30/2004 7:25:02 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Yo-Yo

Well, according to a "Roll your own," forum...

Tobacco
Water
Sugars (Sucrose and/or Invert Sugar and/or High Fructose Corn Syrup)
Propylene Glycol
Glycerol
Licorice Extract
Diammonium Phosphate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Carob Bean and Extract
Cocoa and Cocoa Products
Natural and Artificial Flavors

= Marlboro tobacco


13 posted on 12/30/2004 7:26:59 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg

I've been rolling my own for two years now, after reading about it here on FR.

I love it. I smoke less. The cigs burn slower and taste better. Wouldn't dare go back.


14 posted on 12/30/2004 7:29:21 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

LOL! You learned the folly of packing the cig too much?

Like syrup through a straw!


15 posted on 12/30/2004 7:32:25 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Just another Joe
From what I understand the drying and curing is harder than the growing.

Let's ask algore.

16 posted on 12/30/2004 7:33:33 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: RandallFlagg
Go to a tobacco store and try some different cigarette tobaccos.
It took me about 2 months to find a tobacco I truly liked. It's a bit on the expensive side but I still crank my own out for about $1.80 a pack.
If you like regular Marlboros you might try "Lookout" tobacco.
Fairly inexpensive, light color, just a touch harsh for my taste but it is my second choice.

I preferred Marlboro Mediums and found a very similar tobacco in Samson Milde Shag.

BTW, I wouldn't try pipe tobacco in cigarette tubes. There's too much moisture and it REALLY get's the tubes wet when smoking it.
If you're looking for different flavors there are flavored cigarette tobaccos out there.

17 posted on 12/30/2004 7:37:26 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: 1Old Pro
Let's ask algore.

But, that would involve LOOKING for him though.
I wouldn't have the stomach for that.
18 posted on 12/30/2004 7:39:27 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg
LOL! You learned the folly of packing the cig too much?

LOL..Yep. It's an art, it takes time to get it down pat.

One piece of advice, be sure to keep the machine clean, especially the tobacco slot. I use rubbing alcohol to clean, then Hoppes gun oil to lubricate. I've had my Supermatic 2 years, and it still works good.

Another thing, to minimize the mess, I took an old bread pan and velcroed the machine base to it so I can roll in my recliner, and the tray catches all the loose tobacco.

Another thing, some tobacco will come stringier than it needs to be. A cheap coffee grinder ($10 from Wal Mart) grinds the tobacco perfectly. Just don't overgrind.

19 posted on 12/30/2004 7:46:07 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: RandallFlagg
But was also wondering if a license was required..

To grow it, no. Only to sell it.

It's just like brewing your own beer or making your own wine.

20 posted on 12/30/2004 7:50:46 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am not a 'legal entity')
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To: Vigilantcitizen
I use rubbing alcohol to clean, then Hoppes gun oil to lubricate.

I would think that any oil near the tobacco chamber would be a bad thing (I'm remembering the rifle problems in Iraq).

Good idea with the bread pan, though.
21 posted on 12/30/2004 8:28:26 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Just another Joe

Looks like I have some experimentin' to do...

Thanks.


22 posted on 12/30/2004 8:30:14 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg
I would think that any oil near the tobacco chamber would be a bad thing (I'm remembering the rifle problems in Iraq).

The oil is used very sparingly, and all excess is wiped off. The oil mainly keeps build up from happening as quick.

23 posted on 12/30/2004 8:33:47 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (#40)
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To: RandallFlagg

WOW....how can you do 200 in 30 minutes?

I've been using my Supermatic for over a year and it still takes me 10 minutes a pack.

Anyway....I buy Stoker's #2 for $12.49 a pound and El Rey regular filter tubes @ 1.99 at Ingles grocery store.

I take out about a days worth from the bag (which I keep in the Fridge) and put it in a Tupperware container with a small, moistened sponge.

I use a spaghetti colander to clean out the shake and generally get two cartons out of the pound so the smokes are around .80 a pack.

Stoker's tastes like a 1966 L&M.


24 posted on 12/30/2004 9:13:42 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

Yeah. But remember, I had to modify the machine a bit.

I was averaging about one every eight seconds. After doing the math, I had about 200 seconds to spare so I could light up a few while cranking.

Did you know that they sell a motor and someone's working on an automatic hopper? Both will attach to the top of the machine and speed up the process even more.

After working with a hamburger patty machine at Fuddrucker's in my youth, I'm convinced I can make a machine that does it all even faster.

If I only had the time these days......


25 posted on 12/30/2004 9:29:35 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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Bumping for the afternoon crowd.


26 posted on 12/30/2004 12:29:49 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Just another Joe

(sorry so late in replying, been offline all day-phone issues)

No license is needed as far as I know.

The law permits growing 1/10th of an acre of tobacco for personal use. I did learn that is per property owner, not per adult. In other words, my husband and I can only grow 1/10th of an acre, even though we are both adults and both smokers.

And no, I do not know the dimensions of a 1/10th acre garden.


27 posted on 12/30/2004 12:56:53 PM PST by Gabz (Merry Christmas)
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To: Vigilantcitizen; RandallFlagg
I smoke less. The cigs burn slower and taste better.

They burn MUCH slower, and will go out if just left in the ashtray. I discovered shortly after starting to make my own that I actually smoke less than 1/2 a pack a day..........the rest just burned like incense in the ashtray.

28 posted on 12/30/2004 1:02:39 PM PST by Gabz (Merry Christmas)
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I just had a thought. Rolling my own cigs have resulted in my having to purchase a cigarette case to carry them in.
If I marketed a cigarette case that played a song when opened, it would be a hot seller.

What song? Of course, the only appropriate song would have to be the theme from.....

James Bond.


29 posted on 01/01/2005 3:04:21 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg
What if your cigarette case played the funeral dirge, would that help someone quit? ;9)
30 posted on 01/01/2005 3:08:26 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I was also thinking of Darth Vader's theme, but nothing beats Bond.


31 posted on 01/01/2005 3:09:54 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg

Or, "Smoke gets in your eyes..." ;-D

My daughter and her husband roll their own, works out to under 10.00 a carton, they have a specialty smoke shop in their town that carries the tobacco they like...

They both have neat little metal cigarette cases, really nice looking.

I used to roll my own, went back to buying them since I don't smoke very much.


32 posted on 01/01/2005 3:15:49 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: RandallFlagg

bump!


33 posted on 01/14/2005 10:39:06 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: need_a_screen_name

Thanks.


34 posted on 01/14/2005 10:40:23 PM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: RandallFlagg

No problem. Saw you mention the Supermatic in another thread, so I Googled it up. What did I find, but this older thread of yours. lol


35 posted on 01/14/2005 10:50:16 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: RandallFlagg
I smoke cigars myself, but I am amazed at the prices of cigarettes.

I buy boxes of one hundred chicos (small cigars) over the internet (mikescigars.com) for $ 23.00. These are wonderful little cigars, seconds of Macs and Partagas.

$23.00 per hundred is the price of cigarettes in our area!

The cigarette market is way out of wack with all the local taxes, and roll your own folks like you are sending a message through the marketplace. Good job!
36 posted on 01/15/2005 5:53:10 AM PST by cgbg (Come die in Seattle--your vote will still count!)
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To: cgbg

I just hope we can organize the manufacturers to start some kind of lobbying effort before it's too late.


37 posted on 01/15/2005 5:57:29 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save bucks and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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Update: I found a blend of light tobacco that my Wife likes...FINALLY!


38 posted on 01/17/2005 10:25:46 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save bucks and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: need_a_screen_name

Did you buy one yet, or are ya still thinking about it?

Just curious.


39 posted on 01/17/2005 10:33:29 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save bucks and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg
Update: I found a blend of light tobacco that my Wife likes...FINALLY!

Well, whats it called?

Is loose tobacco subject to the tax?

40 posted on 01/21/2005 6:23:37 AM PST by MileHi
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To: MileHi

It's Farmer's Gold Light, but get it online. ALL tobacco products are subject to the tax increase.

I got it at stuffyourown.com


41 posted on 01/21/2005 4:44:13 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save bucks and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Gabz
1/10th acre garden:

4356 sq ft or 100FT X 43.56 FT

Pretty good size garden!

42 posted on 01/24/2005 6:51:05 AM PST by Verax
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To: Verax

Thanks for those measurements.

That is a pretty good size garden and far larger than the section of my garden I have set aside for tobacco for this season.


43 posted on 01/24/2005 6:59:01 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: RandallFlagg

It’s great that you started rolling your own. I’ve been rolling for sometime now and if you do it right you will pay about 80 cents a pack. Plus with rolling tobacco they don’t put all that crap in them that you get from store bought brands. www.smokersoutletonline.com is a great site to save money and get tobacco that that taste great, read the reviews there and see what you like. You can get light or ultra light for your wife too.


44 posted on 01/14/2009 2:40:12 PM PST by MHRoller
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To: MHRoller

Welcome to FR.
Been divorced for two years now, though.


45 posted on 01/14/2009 3:02:09 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: RandallFlagg

Thanks for the welcome. Didn’t realize this blog was from 2005 when I posted it. Sorry about the break up, I hope it went as smooth as possible. I know guys that have lost alot in that process.


46 posted on 01/14/2009 7:34:24 PM PST by MHRoller
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To: MHRoller

It was smooth enough for me. I got my Sons, the house, and she can’t touch my paychecks.

I play a LOT of chess.


47 posted on 01/14/2009 7:58:10 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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