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IN VIRGINIA: DOUBLE JEOPARDY FOR SPEEDING
http://www.freemarketnews.com ^ | Jan 25, 2005 | by staff reports

Posted on 01/25/2005 6:32:30 AM PST by FreeMarket1

IN VIRGINIA: DOUBLE JEOPARDY FOR SPEEDING

Jan 25, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com

by staff reports

FreeMarketNews.Com, Jan. 25, 2005 - A bill has been introduced into the Virginia House of Delegates that would place an additional penalty on motorists who have received speeding tickets. The bill, cosponsored by two Republicans, Thomas Rust and David Albo, would add so-called “abuser fees.”

A driver convicted of exceeding the speed limit by 30 mph in Virginia, would normally pay a fine of $100 with $50 in court costs, and have their license suspended for 90 days. The new plan would levy an additional $750 in fines on the hapless motorist.

Interestingly Albo, in addition to being a legislator, is also a traffic ticket attorney. The National Motorist Association comments on what would seem to be a clear-cut case of self interest, as opposed to public safety, in regard to his efforts. They state:

“If this measure passes, it will certainly be a win-win for him. When it comes time for re-election, he can claim that he stood.........Full Article www.FreeMarketNews.com


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1 posted on 01/25/2005 6:32:31 AM PST by FreeMarket1
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To: FreeMarket1
A tax increase. When Republicans sponsor one, its euphemistically called, "revenue enhancement." And it has nothing to do with public safety.

Denny Crane: "I want two things. First God and then Fox News."

2 posted on 01/25/2005 6:34:18 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FreeMarket1

Turning the police into rolling tax collectors.


3 posted on 01/25/2005 6:37:01 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: FreeMarket1

My young new driver son got 2 traffic tickets (one for going over speed limit by 5 and the other for not using his turn signal) in Michigan - he paid 150.00 for each - about 6 months later he gets another bill for an additional 100.00 for the tickets he already paid the fines on. One good thing - he is now a much more careful driver - however, isn't this like double jeopardy.


4 posted on 01/25/2005 6:40:07 AM PST by finallyatexan
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To: FreeMarket1; Constitution Day

Still not as bad as NC, where +15 mph over the limit (or anything over 80 mph) lands you in a mandatory court appearance. Traffic lawyer's paradise.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 6:41:03 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: bmwcyle

"Turning the police into rolling tax collectors."

Yup, that's what it's come to in this country.


6 posted on 01/25/2005 6:41:38 AM PST by PilloryHillary
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To: FreeMarket1

This is horsesh*t. 'Abuser Fees'?

This unfortunately continues a trend to turn the nation's highways into just one more vast tax collection apparatus.

I'm living for the day that the radar detector industry will move offshore (don't slame me yet) and then begin marketing devices that will not only detect police radar, but cause the damn systems to literally burn up inside their casing, iow, a 21st century version of ECM for the motorist.

The majority of drivers are careful and conscientious. It is virtually impossible to drive anywhere without exceeding the speed limit at some point. And while this dubious Virginia tax grab 'fee' on speeders might end up being sold to the public, it will result in wholesale voters AGAINST any lawmakers stupid enough to vote for this measure.


7 posted on 01/25/2005 6:43:33 AM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: FreeMarket1
Thanks for the heads up. I travel VA frequently. I guess I'll have to find another route that bypasses VA.
GE
8 posted on 01/25/2005 6:44:34 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: johnfkerrysucks

The police are becoming just tax collectors with guns.


9 posted on 01/25/2005 6:45:10 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: FreeMarket1

How important is it to you and to the subsequent posters to have well regulated 'traffic'? Ever wonder why motoring is not a Right but a privilege? Drive legally armed and discover the real balance between Right and privilege. And between 'regulated' and well-regulated.

In my state 'excessive driving offenses' is sufficient to disbar this exercise of your 2A Right.


10 posted on 01/25/2005 6:46:41 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

"Still not as bad as NC, where +15 mph over the limit (or anything over 80 mph) lands you in a mandatory court appearance. Traffic lawyer's paradise."

Oh, Virginia is just as bad. My 17 year old daughter got one for 20 mph over the limit in Virginia. Mandatory court appearance. She hired a lawyer in Virginia to handle the case, since she lives in Ohio. Between lawyer fees, fines, and the mandatory safe driving class, this ended up costing her about $500 and lots of hours. (The lawyer fee was not as bad as it could have been since her aunt knew the lawyer).
That's just bs.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 6:47:00 AM PST by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: FreeMarket1

A state delegate who is traffic lawyer seeks stiffer penalties for speeders. (gets more business)

Reminds me of the Tn. State Senator who has two families and introduced child support legislation that favors his situation. (doesn't have to pay full amount).

Government of me, by me and for me.


12 posted on 01/25/2005 6:47:09 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: FreeMarket1

Is it just me or are more and more so called "Republicans" trying to pass Tax increases under the radar? The recent suggestion by some "Republicans" that SS taxes should be raised (a tax by any other name), to save SS, comes to mind.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 6:47:31 AM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: Mad Mammoth

OK. Pass the lousy bill. After getting one of these, people will stay home. No driving, no shopping malls. No shopping malls, no sales tax. Economic depression. State looses revenue, fires cops. No more speeding tickets.

Everybody orders from Doctor Delivery. Invest in Doctor Delivery. Make money off stock. Double income and no tickets. Ain't life grand?


14 posted on 01/25/2005 6:47:55 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: bmwcyle

15 posted on 01/25/2005 6:50:12 AM PST by Fixit (comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: bmwcyle
Turning the police into rolling tax collectors.

Perhaps. But it's a tax you don't have to pay. Just don't speed.

16 posted on 01/25/2005 6:50:37 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: JustAnAmerican

Yeah, they sure are tax happy these days ole Virginny

Anyone know off hand who's responsible for the Satelite TV tax that's coming before the state legislature sometime this year?


17 posted on 01/25/2005 6:52:59 AM PST by Cosmo (Got wood?)
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To: FreedomCalls

Sounds simple enough, but allow me to attest that not speeding here in NoVA is a good way to get squashed like a bug.


18 posted on 01/25/2005 6:53:41 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: FreedomCalls

But taxing is not the answer to to solve problems. Get the Asian women going under the speed limit out of the left lane is a better start.


19 posted on 01/25/2005 6:54:16 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: bmwcyle
Turning the police into rolling tax collectors.

And that's why we have to have city stickers in VA.

20 posted on 01/25/2005 6:55:38 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife (Schni schna schnappi, schnappi, schnappi, schnapp!)
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To: FreeMarket1

Two years ago in Indiana, I got two tickets in a year. I paid the tickets. A year later I got a letter in the mail saying that even though I was well under my points limit, I would lose my liscense if I didn't send them 80 bucks and take a defensive driving course. They can do anything they want to you. No one will ever stand up to them.


21 posted on 01/25/2005 6:56:21 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Mad Mammoth
The most convincing evidence about the idiocy of speeding tickets came from the state licensing board for the profession in which I work. Every time I renew my professional license, I have to sign an affidavit declaring that I have not been convicted of a crime, and listing any and all motor vehicle violations I've been cited for in the period since my last renewal. Parking tickets and speeding violations are specifically exempted from the list of motor vehicle violations I have to disclose.

In other words, my state professional licensing board knows full well that speeding tickets do not reflect in any way on a person's ability to act in a law-abiding manner -- these tickets are nothing more than revenue stream for local governments.

22 posted on 01/25/2005 6:56:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child (It could be worse . . . I could've missed my calling.)
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To: Alberta's Child

We lost a family member in an MVA caused by a person exceeding the speed limit by 30 mph. Frankly, if they want to tax speeders into oblivion, fine by me.


23 posted on 01/25/2005 6:59:00 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: bmwcyle
Turning the police into rolling tax collectors.

Done and done.

24 posted on 01/25/2005 6:59:35 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Mad Mammoth
"will not only detect police radar, but..."

Back in the 80's there were radar jammers sold to and used by truckers. In one mode, the device would jam the out going signal. In another mode the driver could dial in a preset speed that the LEO's radar would read back. The later require one to constantly monitor the system so you would not be nailed for 55 in a 45 mph zone.

Scale Houses at state borders begain using their own dection equipment to seek out vehicles with these jammers and radar detectors. I think that Federal Law now outlaws any radar detecting device in commercial vehicles.

25 posted on 01/25/2005 7:00:03 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: mewzilla

Better driver training, making the left lane a passing lane, get illegals off the road, enforce car inspection laws better, get driver training back in schools, increase jail time, but taxing won't do anything.


26 posted on 01/25/2005 7:02:55 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: goldstategop
And lawyer revenue too! The increase in the penalty will definitly put a hell of a lot more people in court that would otherwise just pay the fine... The troopers there in the past have always been pretty standup guys. If you got bagged for going really fast, but traffic was nil, car well kept and you weren't a dick, they'd write the ticket below the 20 mph over-limit that put you into the 6 point reckless zone. They enjoyed the opportunity to "maish it to the floor and let 'er eat" in the cruiser...
27 posted on 01/25/2005 7:04:36 AM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent...)
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To: bmwcyle

Hitting speeders in the pocketbook? Sure, it'll work. They obviously don't give a tinker's dam about the law and/or their fellow drivers, but about their pocketbooks? You bet they do. Hit them in the wallet. Higher fines/taxes/insurance premiums/deductibles. All fine by me.


28 posted on 01/25/2005 7:07:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: FreeMarket1

No doubt the state has already spent the tax increase they just rammed through last year and has already decided they need more money, which is exactly what I expected would happen.


29 posted on 01/25/2005 7:08:16 AM PST by jpl ("Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole." - Ann Coulter)
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To: mewzilla

I hate to tell you but you are wrong.


30 posted on 01/25/2005 7:08:44 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: FreeMarket1

They don't call it "The communist state" for nothing.

It all began with confiscation of CB radios and radar detectors.


31 posted on 01/25/2005 7:11:38 AM PST by bert (Peace is halftime....)
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To: GrandEagle

Do that.....I got a speeding ticket on I81 and had to drive 350 miles to Lexington to appear in court because I was clocked over 80....and on my birthday....very sour.....
I had no problem paying the ticket...by mail....I was told that if I didn't appear in court they could suspend my liscense and tell Jersey and then I'd get my liscense suspended in my home state.....how ridiculous is that!!!!!!!

Beware!!!!


32 posted on 01/25/2005 7:11:56 AM PST by geege
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To: Zavien Doombringer

ping, fyi.


33 posted on 01/25/2005 7:13:27 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (GO PATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: bmwcyle

Not according to my insurance company :)


34 posted on 01/25/2005 7:14:16 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: Mad Mammoth
Yes, it's true. The overwhelming majority of drivers are lawabiding and courteous. Then there are the slimeballs who view a speed limit as a "minimum". They frequently practice "dive bombing" folks in slower lanes ~ guess it gives them some sort of thrill.

That's why we have the SECOND AMENDMENT, and in Virginia folks get to "pack and ride".

Please be polite around here. It creates horrible traffic jams when they have to stop to clean up dead bodies.

35 posted on 01/25/2005 7:16:06 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: goldstategop
"What's my name?" "Denny Crane."

"What's my name?" "Denny Crane!"

"What's my name?" "Denny Crane!"
36 posted on 01/25/2005 7:17:50 AM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: rockrr

Sorry - couldn't resist ;'}


37 posted on 01/25/2005 7:18:30 AM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: bmwcyle
In the "Real Northern Virginia", to distinguish it from that more distant location where the guy said you can actually speed (ha, ha, ha, ha, ROTFLMAO), the Asian woman in the left lane is probably going to exit the Interstate ON THE LEFT. Going through Fairfax County, there are about as many LEFT EXITS as there are RIGHT EXITS.

Outside agitators sometimes create traffic jams because they don't recognize that the signs saying "LEFT EXIT" really do mean "LEFT EXIT", so they try tailgating and running down cars on the left whose drivers are lawfully trying to get off the highway.

It's time for a law against OUTSIDE AGITATORS in this country. Send 'em back where they came from!

38 posted on 01/25/2005 7:20:11 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: FreeMarket1

Free Market News shouldn't toss around terms like "Double Jeopardy" when it's obvious they don't know what they mean.


39 posted on 01/25/2005 7:21:15 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (Mindless BushBot)
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To: bmwcyle
FWIW, here's a link to check out, with some info on fines and speeding :) The math was interesting.
40 posted on 01/25/2005 7:24:33 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: FreeMarket1

I just called his office and told him I would vote for a yellow-dog Democrat before I would ever vote for him again, he's just another ambulance-chasing parasite and boil on the backside of state government.


41 posted on 01/25/2005 7:32:17 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: FreeMarket1

This wouldn't be a bad idea if speed limits were set reasonably. 30 miles per hour over whatever the safe and reasonable speed for a given piece of road is is genuinely dangerous, and should be strongly discouraged.

In the real world where speed limits are universally set so low that they are ignored by everybody, this is just revenue enhancement.


42 posted on 01/25/2005 7:36:12 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: general_re
Sounds simple enough, but allow me to attest that not speeding here in NoVA is a good way to get squashed like a bug.

I know, I know. I used to live there. If you "go with the flow" you will end up going about 10-15 mph above the speed limit. I've driven in bumper-to-bumper traffic. I've driven in extremely fast traffic. But only on I-95 and I-495 have I driven in extremely fast bumper-to-bumper traffic inches (literally!) from each other at 80 (or more) mph.

43 posted on 01/25/2005 7:51:13 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreeMarket1

I am so sick of new laws...and attorneys....and politicians...and Michael Moore...and Katie Couric...and Rap...and...


45 posted on 01/25/2005 7:59:24 AM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: geege
I was clocked over 80
Most of the time, if traffic is moving at all, you have to do about 80-85 to keep from getting run over!
Thanks for the heads up.
46 posted on 01/25/2005 8:01:38 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: FreedomCalls

At least the threshold is relatively high for now, I suppose. Going with the flow on 66, when we're all moving nicely, usually means about 70-75 in a 55. Still, as soon as legislators start feeling like they're digging for nickels in the couch cushions, look for it to be lowered, and then they can catch everyone.


47 posted on 01/25/2005 8:12:26 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: muawiyah
the Asian woman in the left lane is probably going to exit the Interstate ON THE LEFT.

Someone please explain to me why Asian women can't drive.

48 posted on 01/25/2005 8:13:28 AM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: FreeMarket1; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; AdSimp; society-by-contract; ...

Richmond ping.


49 posted on 01/25/2005 8:28:02 AM PST by iceskater (The UN Oil for Food scandal has cost our troops their lives. Time for Kofi to go.)
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To: FreeMarket1; iceskater

ssssiiiiigh


50 posted on 01/25/2005 8:43:12 AM PST by Flora McDonald (Stand the Storm!)
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