Skip to comments.IN VIRGINIA: DOUBLE JEOPARDY FOR SPEEDING
Posted on 01/25/2005 6:32:30 AM PST by FreeMarket1
IN VIRGINIA: DOUBLE JEOPARDY FOR SPEEDING
Jan 25, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com
by staff reports
FreeMarketNews.Com, Jan. 25, 2005 - A bill has been introduced into the Virginia House of Delegates that would place an additional penalty on motorists who have received speeding tickets. The bill, cosponsored by two Republicans, Thomas Rust and David Albo, would add so-called abuser fees.
A driver convicted of exceeding the speed limit by 30 mph in Virginia, would normally pay a fine of $100 with $50 in court costs, and have their license suspended for 90 days. The new plan would levy an additional $750 in fines on the hapless motorist.
Interestingly Albo, in addition to being a legislator, is also a traffic ticket attorney. The National Motorist Association comments on what would seem to be a clear-cut case of self interest, as opposed to public safety, in regard to his efforts. They state:
If this measure passes, it will certainly be a win-win for him. When it comes time for re-election, he can claim that he stood.........Full Article www.FreeMarketNews.com
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Turning the police into rolling tax collectors.
My young new driver son got 2 traffic tickets (one for going over speed limit by 5 and the other for not using his turn signal) in Michigan - he paid 150.00 for each - about 6 months later he gets another bill for an additional 100.00 for the tickets he already paid the fines on. One good thing - he is now a much more careful driver - however, isn't this like double jeopardy.
Still not as bad as NC, where +15 mph over the limit (or anything over 80 mph) lands you in a mandatory court appearance. Traffic lawyer's paradise.
"Turning the police into rolling tax collectors."
Yup, that's what it's come to in this country.
This is horsesh*t. 'Abuser Fees'?
This unfortunately continues a trend to turn the nation's highways into just one more vast tax collection apparatus.
I'm living for the day that the radar detector industry will move offshore (don't slame me yet) and then begin marketing devices that will not only detect police radar, but cause the damn systems to literally burn up inside their casing, iow, a 21st century version of ECM for the motorist.
The majority of drivers are careful and conscientious. It is virtually impossible to drive anywhere without exceeding the speed limit at some point. And while this dubious Virginia tax grab 'fee' on speeders might end up being sold to the public, it will result in wholesale voters AGAINST any lawmakers stupid enough to vote for this measure.
The police are becoming just tax collectors with guns.
How important is it to you and to the subsequent posters to have well regulated 'traffic'? Ever wonder why motoring is not a Right but a privilege? Drive legally armed and discover the real balance between Right and privilege. And between 'regulated' and well-regulated.
In my state 'excessive driving offenses' is sufficient to disbar this exercise of your 2A Right.
"Still not as bad as NC, where +15 mph over the limit (or anything over 80 mph) lands you in a mandatory court appearance. Traffic lawyer's paradise."
Oh, Virginia is just as bad. My 17 year old daughter got one for 20 mph over the limit in Virginia. Mandatory court appearance. She hired a lawyer in Virginia to handle the case, since she lives in Ohio. Between lawyer fees, fines, and the mandatory safe driving class, this ended up costing her about $500 and lots of hours. (The lawyer fee was not as bad as it could have been since her aunt knew the lawyer).
That's just bs.
A state delegate who is traffic lawyer seeks stiffer penalties for speeders. (gets more business)
Reminds me of the Tn. State Senator who has two families and introduced child support legislation that favors his situation. (doesn't have to pay full amount).
Government of me, by me and for me.
Is it just me or are more and more so called "Republicans" trying to pass Tax increases under the radar? The recent suggestion by some "Republicans" that SS taxes should be raised (a tax by any other name), to save SS, comes to mind.
OK. Pass the lousy bill. After getting one of these, people will stay home. No driving, no shopping malls. No shopping malls, no sales tax. Economic depression. State looses revenue, fires cops. No more speeding tickets.
Everybody orders from Doctor Delivery. Invest in Doctor Delivery. Make money off stock. Double income and no tickets. Ain't life grand?
Perhaps. But it's a tax you don't have to pay. Just don't speed.
Yeah, they sure are tax happy these days ole Virginny
Anyone know off hand who's responsible for the Satelite TV tax that's coming before the state legislature sometime this year?
Sounds simple enough, but allow me to attest that not speeding here in NoVA is a good way to get squashed like a bug.
But taxing is not the answer to to solve problems. Get the Asian women going under the speed limit out of the left lane is a better start.
And that's why we have to have city stickers in VA.
Two years ago in Indiana, I got two tickets in a year. I paid the tickets. A year later I got a letter in the mail saying that even though I was well under my points limit, I would lose my liscense if I didn't send them 80 bucks and take a defensive driving course. They can do anything they want to you. No one will ever stand up to them.
In other words, my state professional licensing board knows full well that speeding tickets do not reflect in any way on a person's ability to act in a law-abiding manner -- these tickets are nothing more than revenue stream for local governments.
We lost a family member in an MVA caused by a person exceeding the speed limit by 30 mph. Frankly, if they want to tax speeders into oblivion, fine by me.
Done and done.
Back in the 80's there were radar jammers sold to and used by truckers. In one mode, the device would jam the out going signal. In another mode the driver could dial in a preset speed that the LEO's radar would read back. The later require one to constantly monitor the system so you would not be nailed for 55 in a 45 mph zone.
Scale Houses at state borders begain using their own dection equipment to seek out vehicles with these jammers and radar detectors. I think that Federal Law now outlaws any radar detecting device in commercial vehicles.
Better driver training, making the left lane a passing lane, get illegals off the road, enforce car inspection laws better, get driver training back in schools, increase jail time, but taxing won't do anything.
Hitting speeders in the pocketbook? Sure, it'll work. They obviously don't give a tinker's dam about the law and/or their fellow drivers, but about their pocketbooks? You bet they do. Hit them in the wallet. Higher fines/taxes/insurance premiums/deductibles. All fine by me.
No doubt the state has already spent the tax increase they just rammed through last year and has already decided they need more money, which is exactly what I expected would happen.
I hate to tell you but you are wrong.
They don't call it "The communist state" for nothing.
It all began with confiscation of CB radios and radar detectors.
Do that.....I got a speeding ticket on I81 and had to drive 350 miles to Lexington to appear in court because I was clocked over 80....and on my birthday....very sour.....
I had no problem paying the ticket...by mail....I was told that if I didn't appear in court they could suspend my liscense and tell Jersey and then I'd get my liscense suspended in my home state.....how ridiculous is that!!!!!!!
Not according to my insurance company :)
That's why we have the SECOND AMENDMENT, and in Virginia folks get to "pack and ride".
Please be polite around here. It creates horrible traffic jams when they have to stop to clean up dead bodies.
Sorry - couldn't resist ;'}
Outside agitators sometimes create traffic jams because they don't recognize that the signs saying "LEFT EXIT" really do mean "LEFT EXIT", so they try tailgating and running down cars on the left whose drivers are lawfully trying to get off the highway.
It's time for a law against OUTSIDE AGITATORS in this country. Send 'em back where they came from!
Free Market News shouldn't toss around terms like "Double Jeopardy" when it's obvious they don't know what they mean.
I just called his office and told him I would vote for a yellow-dog Democrat before I would ever vote for him again, he's just another ambulance-chasing parasite and boil on the backside of state government.
This wouldn't be a bad idea if speed limits were set reasonably. 30 miles per hour over whatever the safe and reasonable speed for a given piece of road is is genuinely dangerous, and should be strongly discouraged.
In the real world where speed limits are universally set so low that they are ignored by everybody, this is just revenue enhancement.
I know, I know. I used to live there. If you "go with the flow" you will end up going about 10-15 mph above the speed limit. I've driven in bumper-to-bumper traffic. I've driven in extremely fast traffic. But only on I-95 and I-495 have I driven in extremely fast bumper-to-bumper traffic inches (literally!) from each other at 80 (or more) mph.
I am so sick of new laws...and attorneys....and politicians...and Michael Moore...and Katie Couric...and Rap...and...
At least the threshold is relatively high for now, I suppose. Going with the flow on 66, when we're all moving nicely, usually means about 70-75 in a 55. Still, as soon as legislators start feeling like they're digging for nickels in the couch cushions, look for it to be lowered, and then they can catch everyone.
Someone please explain to me why Asian women can't drive.
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