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TROLLS ZOTTED: Parents, District Fighting Off Law Suit about Banning the Declaration of Independence
Cupertino Courier ^ | 2/2/05 | Alison Rost

Posted on 02/06/2005 12:53:31 PM PST by Cupertino Mom

... the district filed a motion on Jan. 31 to dismiss the lawsuit. The district said in the motion that there's no factual evidence to back Williams' claim that his constitutional rights were violated. The motion also countered Williams' argument that he and his lesson plans were singled out for review by Principal Patricia Vidmar because of his religion. The motion stated that parental complaints prompted the actions.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; US: California; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: adf; alliancedefense; bushbasher; churchandstate; cupertino; cupertinoschool; declarationbanned; hippietrash; stevenscreek; troll; wetheparents; zot
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The parents of Stevens Creek School, the school accused of banning the Declaration of Independence, have united in We The Parents to correct the lies in the media about our school that unleashed an avalanche of threatening and profane of hate messages. Two sheriffs patrolled the school daily for 2 months. Please see our web site, http://www.SevensCreekParents.org for the truth about Stevens Creek School. The Declaration was not banned; not only is taught by all 5th grade teachers, it appears in the 5th grade text book and on posters in the school. Even the ADF has back-peddled in their recent press release (http://www.eriposte.com/philosophy/fundamentalism/stevenscreek.htm).
1 posted on 02/06/2005 12:53:31 PM PST by Cupertino Mom
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To: Cupertino Mom

liberals love nothing more than hating Christians


2 posted on 02/06/2005 12:57:16 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: Cupertino Mom
If what the "we the parents" say is correct, then why was the teacher disciplined?
3 posted on 02/06/2005 1:01:19 PM PST by roylene
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To: Cupertino Mom
"FUNDAMENTALISM

Far-Right fundamentalists launch intimidation campaign against Stevens Creek Elementary School Principal in Cupertino, CA
- Far Right group files lawsuit against the Principal and the Cupertino Union School District"

I am intrigued by your web site..far right fundamentalists..good grief..you mean those who may be Christian and believe in the constitution as original intent are extremists.
What about the whiny parents who do not believe in the constitution or teaching its original premise.

My original question still applies..if what is said by the 'we the parents' is correct..why is the teacher being persecuted?
4 posted on 02/06/2005 1:09:52 PM PST by roylene
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To: Cupertino Mom
SPUE (Society for the Prevention of Unnecessary Excerpting; check the list) to the rescue once again:
The lawsuit that Stephen Williams brought against the Cupertino Union School District was filed in Oakland, but the firestorm surrounding it was centered squarely over the Stevens Creek Elementary School community. While the district has finally broken its silence on the matter by filing a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, parents are going a step further. They're fighting back in the same arena that produced the firestorm - the media.

Incensed by widely reported claims that Stevens Creek has banned the Declaration of Independence, an organization called We the Parents is trying to restore Stevens Creek's reputation. At a forum held on Jan. 24, parents - as well as several Stevens Creek teachers - discussed the school's history curriculum for community members and the news media.

In addition, We the Parents has sent an open letter to the Alliance Defense Fund, which is providing Williams' legal representation and published the case's initial press release. The letter requests that the fund retract its misleading statements and apologize for their effects - the school received 3,000 irate phone calls and messages and has increased security patrols to ensure students' safety.

"Our goal is merely to present our side of the story," said Maria Segal, one of the forum's organizers. "We're concerned with the depiction of our school. Many parents would have been happy not to say anything if it weren't for ADF."

About 60 people attended the forum at Quinlan Community Center on the evening of Jan. 24. After an introduction by Nathalie Schuler Ferro, one of the group's founders, the forum kicked off with a presentation of the group's website, located at www.stevenscreekparents.org. The site features photos of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution hanging in Stevens Creek's Guided Learning Center. It has received up to 17,000 hits a day.

Fifth-grade teachers Sara Beetem and Amy Vedunas then discussed their social studies curriculum - Vedunas held up a copy of A New Nation, the history textbook used by all of the grade schools in Cupertino Union. The book is based on California state standards. Beetem also gave a presentation on Stevens Creek's Living History Days, which give the school's 118 fifth-graders the chance to impersonate explorers or Revolutionary War participants for a day. The Revolutionary War exercise involves an overnight stay in tents on the school's back lawn.

"I learned a ton of stuff about the Revolutionary War that I did not know before," said John Bartas, editor of the group's website, who has volunteered for Living History Days. "I have no recollection of doing anything like this when I was in school."

Ferro said that this was the point - to give the parent's point of view on the school's offerings. That opinion was an overwhelmingly positive one, told to an audience that included many Stevens Creek parents, but also several older members of the community. "There are other members of the community who are older and don't have children in the district any more, but they have consistently gone to board meetings. But the board can't talk about the lawsuit," Ferro said. "We wanted to assuage their fears."

She added that the response to the forum was surprising. We the Parents couldn't advertise the forum on school grounds, but managed to attract more people than Ferro expected. The invitation was also extended to members of the local media, but not to outlets like the Fox News Channel, which brought conservative talk show Hannity & Colmes to the Flint Center on Dec. 8.

However, national media attention on the lawsuit is still alive and kicking. Ferro said she recently escorted New Yorker writer Peter Boyer around Cupertino and he expressed surprise at seeing a number of churches in what he had heard was a "heathen" town. On Jan. 12, Katie Couric interviewed former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, who made a reference to a California high school where a teacher was prohibited from handing out the Declaration of Independence.

The perpetuation of the claim that the Declaration of Independence has been outlawed prompted We the Parents to send an open letter to Alliance Defense Fund, asking it to retract the original press release, which can still be found on the fund's website through an Internet search. The letter also asked the fund to issue a public apology. "While you may not have directly contacted the many people who felt compelled to vent their hostility toward our principal and school, we believe your organization is nonetheless responsible," the letter said.

"We want to make the point that they lied," Ferro added. "Any one of those 3,000 people [who sent messages to the school] could have come in with an AK-47. We wanted to place the responsibility of those 3,000 threats on their shoulders."

In response, ADF issued a statement blaming the media for misrepresenting its initial press release and condemning those who threatened the school.

"... such crude behavior by any person does nothing to further reasoned discussion of the fundamental right at issue," the statement said.

Meanwhile, the district filed a motion on Jan. 31 to dismiss the lawsuit. The district said in the motion that there's no factual evidence to back Williams' claim that his constitutional rights were violated. The motion also countered Williams' argument that he and his lesson plans were singled out for review by Principal Patricia Vidmar because of his religion. The motion stated that parental complaints prompted th actions.


5 posted on 02/06/2005 1:23:08 PM PST by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cupertino Mom; MeekOneGOP

Eeeenteresting.....


6 posted on 02/06/2005 1:23:14 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Cupertino Mom
Not only are your posts confusing, they are full of conflicitng information. You also have left out a great deal of information in your three posts here.

Give me names of those in the media whom you accuse of lying- and what has happened to cause this uproar over the Declaration of Independence.

Are you calling Sean Hannity and the teacher liars then?

And give me details of how your "little Christan" community and school district has been hurt by the publicity of this.

Why was the teacher being disciplined and lastly do you want us to feel sorry for you?

NO WAY- you are in the wrong place for that.

7 posted on 02/06/2005 1:24:17 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: Cupertino Mom

California again.


8 posted on 02/06/2005 1:25:24 PM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

And .. they appear to be electing a DNC chair who has openly stated, "I HATE REPUBLICANS AND EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR" (Dean).

Now there's a great way to promote bi-partisanship!


9 posted on 02/06/2005 1:26:08 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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To: Cupertino Mom
"We want to make the point that they lied," Ferro added. "Any one of those 3,000 people [who sent messages to the school] could have come in with an AK-47.

This is what you think of those on the right? That they're violent school shooters?

10 posted on 02/06/2005 1:27:03 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Cupertino Mom

Cupertino Mom: Member since 2005-01-24


11 posted on 02/06/2005 1:27:17 PM PST by Nephi (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Cupertino Mom

CM? Hellooooo......

You still there??


12 posted on 02/06/2005 1:28:06 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Nephi

She's not a memeber, she's a post n' run troll.

She doesn't get that Free Republic ain't a news service for her press releases.


13 posted on 02/06/2005 1:29:24 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Texas_Jarhead
liberals love nothing more than hating Christians

Sad but true.

14 posted on 02/06/2005 1:31:40 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: stands2reason
"We want to make the point that they lied," Ferro added. "Any one of those 3,000 people [who sent messages to the school] could have come in with an AK-47."

Oh My.. What a drama queen..... That is too much. One of these days these whiny,lying liberals is going to get what they deserve. That would be to run into a true blue American who is really as mean as they fantasize about.

I guess they aren't much unless they are victims.

15 posted on 02/06/2005 1:32:24 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Were you ever employed at Parris Island, South Carolina?


16 posted on 02/06/2005 1:36:31 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: stands2reason

looks like a drive by troll


17 posted on 02/06/2005 1:41:42 PM PST by markman46
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To: Mr. Lucky

no,sorry.


18 posted on 02/06/2005 1:46:07 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: Cupertino Mom
The parents of Stevens Creek School have united to couner the lies in the media about our school. The Declaration was never banned. While our evangelical teacher may be intitled to his day in court, the Alliance Defense Fund is not entitled to mislead the public for their own publicity. We will continue to work for a complete retration and an apology from the ADF.

This is from your homepage and would seem to indicate that you are a product of the public schools. In intelligent discourse "couner" is spelled "counter", "intitled" is spelled "entitled", and "retration" is spelled "retraction."

You and your parents group are simpletons.

19 posted on 02/06/2005 1:47:29 PM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: Cupertino Mom
"Any one of those 3,000 people [who sent messages to the school] could have come in with an AK-47. We wanted to place the responsibility of those 3,000 threats on their shoulders."

:rolleyes:

20 posted on 02/06/2005 1:53:34 PM PST by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: Cupertino Mom

"Banning the Declaration of Independence"

Part of the problem, they didn't ban it.


21 posted on 02/06/2005 2:48:54 PM PST by Smartaleck (Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
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To: stands2reason
She doesn't get that Free Republic ain't a news service for her press releases.

It seems that she has been successful in using FreeRepublic as a news service, unfortunately.

22 posted on 02/06/2005 4:30:52 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Cupertino Mom; stands2reason; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; ...


23 posted on 02/07/2005 8:12:29 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: stands2reason
Sorry it took me so long to get here.

I went to a friends place to watch the Super Bowl just before you pinged here.

I didn't get back online until earlier this morning.

Playin' catchup now. :^)


24 posted on 02/07/2005 8:14:38 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Cupertino Mom; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
I've been getting bitch-fest e-mails from this same group of bitching "parents" claiming to represent the majority of the parents of the school after I posted the initial story on my website.

They keep using all sorts of strawman arguements to bolster their "points" and insist that those of us who are critical owe them some sort of "apology" and "truthtelling" that (of course) only serves their own pedantic interests.

Lady, you obviously are part of that rabble, and considering that your group has neglected to provide anything other than your own muddled bleating to any website, columnist, talk show host or media source in order to justiy or prove your half-truths, suppositions and accusations.

I'm going to say something that the others have been far too polite to say: Shut the F--- up!

Your principal has been shown to have a bias against a Christian teacher in that school, and has been shown to prevent him from using historical documents in the classroom.

There is a pending court case regarding this; and no amount of bitching and whining on your part will change that fact.

Go deal with your local problem with your local school principal and her personal issues with that other teacher and quit trying to use the court of public opinion -- especially in a politically biased fashion -- to fight your local battle for you.

And finally, please stop trying to troll for your bitch-fest site here. We're not interested.

25 posted on 02/07/2005 8:26:11 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: mhking

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 02/07/2005 8:28:55 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Cupertino Mom
Hit and run posting troll Monday morning blues......


27 posted on 02/07/2005 8:29:21 AM PST by Godzilla (When you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.)
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To: Cupertino Mom

Spent a good bit of time in Cupertino in the early 90's, you can keep it.


28 posted on 02/07/2005 8:29:50 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Naked Mole Rats have feelings too. Be nice to them.)
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To: Cupertino Mom; hellinahandcart; trussell; MeekOneGOP; petuniasevan; Hillarys nightmare; ...
I'll leave it to everyone else as to what they see, but this old boy sees a hippie site:


29 posted on 02/07/2005 8:30:59 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: Cupertino Mom

This article is so poorly written it should have caused a firestorm by itself.


30 posted on 02/07/2005 8:31:09 AM PST by trisham
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To: mhking
Thank you...


31 posted on 02/07/2005 8:31:20 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: JoJo Gunn

Great Find!

We have an ACLU troll here pretending to be a concerned mother.


32 posted on 02/07/2005 8:35:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Cupertino Mom
We now have picture of Cupertino Mom, shown below:



33 posted on 02/07/2005 8:37:34 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Thanks, Grampa Dave, but it posted the link in comment #1.

http://www.eriposte.com/philosophy/fundamentalism/stevenscreek.htm


34 posted on 02/07/2005 8:39:19 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: stands2reason
Don't forget; the Right doesn't use AK47's, The Right uses M16's. It's the Left that uses AK47's.
35 posted on 02/07/2005 8:42:49 AM PST by RetroWarrior ("We count it death to falter, not to die")
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To: verity

yes.... it's the water.... < /sarc >


36 posted on 02/07/2005 8:53:04 AM PST by Hi Heels (Naked Mole Rats have feelings, too. Crunchy feelings. Someone get a hammer.)
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To: JoJo Gunn; Cupertino Mom

Hippies..
I hate hippies..


37 posted on 02/07/2005 8:58:31 AM PST by Darksheare ("Cast off your amazing human ruse and show them our mighty robot form!" - but I'm a ghost!)
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To: Cupertino Mom; admin; Darksheare
That site is nothing but hippie trash. All it takes is a quick perusal of the links to see its Agenda(s).

Could the admins remove my link in post #34? My apologies for giving it any more publicity than it deserves.

38 posted on 02/07/2005 9:04:03 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: Cupertino Mom; MeekOneGOP; King Prout; Darksheare; Conspiracy Guy

Adjust fire over...

Grid: http://www.freerepublic.com/~cupertinomom/

Fire for effect!!!


39 posted on 02/07/2005 9:09:45 AM PST by MikefromOhio (An isolationist America will not ensure our safety.)
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To: Cupertino Mom

Look you liberal troll go back to your hole where evil and demoncrats live. Few freepers will find patience with your pandering to the left. I see you just signed up 1/24/2005. You and your kind should be ashamed of yourself for your anti-Christian religious bigotry.


40 posted on 02/07/2005 9:10:16 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: Cupertino Mom
"The district said in the motion that there's no factual evidence to back Williams' claim that his constitutional rights were violated"
 
This is a matter for the court to decide. It was quite apparent the principal was trying to influence the teachers use of historical documents in his classroom. Being they were historical documents, how in the world can you disagree with them. History is history except for you liberal, politically correct goons who are afraid you might hurt the feelings of some minority group somwhere.
 
Education is going downhill fast in this country, because people like you want to teach selectively. People involved with the past history of this country were not handicapped this way. It would be virtuously impossible to try and teach politically correct history, since it never existed.
 
You are completely missing the point, even though it sounds like 3,000 Americans tried to explain it to you. Perhaps if you would shut up long enough to analyze what the rest of America is trying to tell you, your school district could have forgone a law suit.

41 posted on 02/07/2005 9:10:25 AM PST by Allosaurs_r_us (Idaho Carnivores for Conservatism)
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To: Cupertino Mom
From the "about us" page:

"Given we have just gone through Election 2004, let me make it clear that I supported Kerry-Edwards."

We now know all we need about you....


42 posted on 02/07/2005 9:12:36 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: Cupertino Mom; MikeinIraq

43 posted on 02/07/2005 9:30:35 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Naked Mole Rats have feelings too. Be nice to them.)
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To: mhking; Cupertino Mom
To:mhking ~ thats pretty much what I thought.

To Cupertino (could there be a worse yuppy stronghold?) Mom


44 posted on 02/07/2005 9:30:40 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Anti-Bush sentiment swills around the Rat Party like the contents of an open sewer)
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To: upchuck
However, national media attention on the lawsuit is still alive and kicking. Ferro said she recently escorted New Yorker writer Peter Boyer around Cupertino and he expressed surprise at seeing a number of churches in what he had heard was a "heathen" town.

I wonder where he heard that.

45 posted on 02/07/2005 10:00:36 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://blog.c-pol.com?)
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To: Cupertino Mom

wtf


46 posted on 02/07/2005 10:15:24 AM PST by SolidRedState (I've just peed my pants and no one can do a thing about it.)
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To: MikeinIraq; Cupertino Mom; MeekOneGOP

Mom sure seems to be a proud product of the public school system she's so proud of. Spend the money for a spell checker before you become the mouthpiece for a school.


47 posted on 02/07/2005 10:16:20 AM PST by SmithL (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative; Godzilla; arasina; Nephi; roylene; CyberAnt; Fiddlstix; mhking; ...
Peter Boyer is actually one of the few fair, thoughtful (liberal) writers out there.

On a side note, CUPERTINO REWLZ!!!

:0)

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

48 posted on 02/07/2005 10:38:05 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; Darksheare; Do not dub me shapka broham; Slings and Arrows; All
Troll Alert!
Click the Pic J

49 posted on 02/07/2005 10:49:35 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Fiddlstix

LOL


50 posted on 02/07/2005 10:56:43 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Naked Mole Rats have feelings too. Be nice to them.)
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