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UNLV Regent warns "Professors have to be careful what they say."
Economics Daily ^

Posted on 02/07/2005 5:28:18 PM PST by toaster

She said she was not afraid to be controversial and that certain groups need to be protected. "If homosexuals are not defined as a protected group by federal law, they should be."

When asked if she believed in academic freedom, she said not for those attacking "protected groups."

She then explained that in 2001 before the Campus Student Environment Committee at UNLV she complained about an accounting professor who had a spread sheet up on a screen and when moving the cursor to another section of the screen he said of the cursor, "You drag this little black guy over here."

"That took the cake "she said. "This was highly offensive, especially given that it was during the trial of the men accused of dragging the black man, Charles Byrd, in Texas. "

She said of her complaint, "They didn't get rid of him right away, but they eventually did."

"Professors have to be careful what they say," Howard concluded

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KEYWORDS: academia; academicbias; collegebias; culturewars; discrimination; education; educrats; freespeech; ignoramus; pc; politicalcorrectness; schoolbias; universitybias

1 posted on 02/07/2005 5:28:18 PM PST by toaster
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To: toaster

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2 posted on 02/07/2005 5:30:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: toaster


3 posted on 02/07/2005 5:31:08 PM PST by onedoug
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To: toaster
Wow, that last bit is something else. In this part of the country you that phraseology all the time. Freaking leftist tyrants.
4 posted on 02/07/2005 5:31:38 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: toaster
When asked if she believed in academic freedom, she said not for those attacking "protected groups."

She is speaking with too much clarity and needs to work a little more on her obfuscation.

5 posted on 02/07/2005 5:34:25 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: toaster

Oh brother!


6 posted on 02/07/2005 5:35:17 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: toaster

I'm pretty cotton pickin' outraged over that Colorado professor saying we need another 9-11 incident to wake us up.


7 posted on 02/07/2005 5:35:43 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: toaster

I guess every small controversial group will be protected under the plan, EXCEPT THE MAJORITY!
A few win, everyone loses!


8 posted on 02/07/2005 5:35:58 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Plutarch
Yes, she also needs to improve her diction as well.

I'm just guessing this ol'gal has a lot of unresolved issues with her parents.

9 posted on 02/07/2005 5:36:17 PM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: toaster

I am speechless, almost. I can't believe this crap sometimes, it's almost like I'm reading about a foreign country, but it isn't!


10 posted on 02/07/2005 5:36:32 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: toaster
The university system is in the business of creating "life estates" -- the granting of honorific titles such as B.A., Ph.D., etc. that last for the lifetime of the recipient. The Federal government is expressly prohibited in the Constitution from creating life estates and other kinds of noble award. The university system has inserted itself illegitimately into the economy, not only creating life estates but, with financial and other kinds of Federal government assistance, in making them a requirement for most higher-paying employment.

It is high time to assert the citizens' right to employment irrespective of educational status, and to put an end to discrimination against those who do not have academic degrees.

11 posted on 02/07/2005 5:36:50 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: toaster
When asked if she believed in academic freedom, she said not for those attacking "protected groups."

Just about everybody but White Christian Heterosexual Right-Handed Males is now part of a protected group.

12 posted on 02/07/2005 5:37:25 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: toaster
"When asked if she believed in academic freedom, she said not for those attacking "protected groups."

But it's fine and dandy to refer to the 9/11 victims as "little Eichmann's". Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that the only people who are not a member of a protected group have a distinctly light skin tone or a right of center world view?

13 posted on 02/07/2005 5:38:42 PM PST by Desron13
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To: toaster
I think she is being niggardly in her explaination of the rationale behind identifying protected groups.

What about the use of the Viking name and image for a Football team? Vikings were just some folks who got a little wild on spring break. It's offensive. ;-)

14 posted on 02/07/2005 5:40:47 PM PST by Paladin2 (SeeBS News - We Decide, We Create, We Report - In that order! - ABC - Already Been Caught)
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To: toaster
When asked if she believed in academic freedom, she said not for those attacking "protected groups."

This can be translated as:

"I can say anything I want about you, but you can't say anything about me."

15 posted on 02/07/2005 5:41:15 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: toaster

Linda Howard thinks academic freedom means the freedom to express opinions she agrees with. Is she Nevada's answer to Sheila Jackson Lee? The unfortunate man killed by being dragged to death was James Byrd, not Charles... I wonder about that "accounting professor" who was removed because of her complaint--was that a tenured faculty member or just a part-time adjunct?


16 posted on 02/07/2005 5:42:48 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: toaster


alt Linda C. Howard

District 1--Clark County

PO Box 364911
North Las Vegas, NV 89036
Phone: (702) 313-5050
E-mail: linda_howard@uccsn.nevada.edu


 

17 posted on 02/07/2005 5:43:10 PM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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To: Tax Government

Good take!


18 posted on 02/07/2005 5:45:12 PM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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To: ZellsBells

The politically correct idiots over here complained about the silhouette targets at the shooting range because they were in black ink. They said it encouraged shooting at black people.

So now they have blue silhouettes. I guess the mailmen might get all upset now.


21 posted on 02/07/2005 5:52:54 PM PST by boofus
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To: toaster
When asked if she believed in academic freedom, she said not for those attacking "protected groups."

If she knew American history, she would know the bill of rights exists to protect individuals regardless their "group."
22 posted on 02/07/2005 5:53:16 PM PST by clyde asbury ("Think" is a verb.)
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To: toaster
I read the article, and if no one else is going to show their ignorance by asking, I will:

WTH is "high time preference"?

23 posted on 02/07/2005 5:54:05 PM PST by TXnMA (Attention, ACLU: There is no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: BipolarBob

Silly. World Trade Center workers, delivery people, and passers-by were obviously not a "protected group".

Well some of them might have been gay or black, or one- armed lesbian single mothers ... but most of them weren't. So most of 'em had it comin' to 'em.


24 posted on 02/07/2005 5:54:06 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Tax Government
The university system is in the business of creating "life estates" -- the granting of honorific titles such as B.A., Ph.D., etc. that last for the lifetime of the recipient. The Federal government is expressly prohibited in the Constitution from creating life estates and other kinds of noble award.

You should read about the "original thirteenth" amendment.

Google search on "original 13th amendment"

25 posted on 02/07/2005 5:54:36 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: TXnMA
"WTH is "high time preference"?"

I thought about asking this question myself but then realized that I probably didn't really want to know the answer.

26 posted on 02/07/2005 5:58:05 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Tax Government
The Constitution states that "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States..." It doesn't mention "life estates" (I don't know what those are, but would have guessed they had to do with landholding arrangements in England).

A B.A. or Ph.D. by itself doesn't provide the holder with any income. A person of a given intelligence with a Ph.D. often earns less than a person with the same IQ who doesn't have a Ph.D. If you're going to bar a university from requiring its faculty members from holding academic degrees, why not also forbid them from requiring their faculty to have high school diplomas?

Ward Churchill, by the way, got to be a tenured professor at Colorado without a Ph.D.

27 posted on 02/07/2005 5:58:23 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: toaster

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."


28 posted on 02/07/2005 5:59:26 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: Tax Government

First of all, universities are not part of the federal government. Second point: it is not the degree which employers want, it is the knowledge and skills behind the degree. You cannot get a job as a plumber without some sort of proof of skill at plumbing. Why should you expect to get a job as a doctor, say, without some sort of proof of knowledge of medicine? It is perfectly legal and proper for employers to pick and choose who they hire on the basis of who knows how to do the job. If that be discrimination, it's a good kind of discrimination.


29 posted on 02/07/2005 6:00:58 PM PST by lostlakehiker
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To: clyde asbury

The Bill of Rights means whatever Linda Howard wants it to mean. After all, the Bill of Rights was written by a white male slaveholder.


30 posted on 02/07/2005 6:02:19 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: TXnMA

HIGH TIME PREFERNCE=

Mature people have a low time preference, a longer time horizon. They have high rates of saving and capital accumulation and practice healthier lifestyles.

People with high time preference tend to live for the moment, spend more than they earn, and engage in risky activities and unhealthy lifestyles. Policies that promote free enterprise and individual responsibility have the positive effect of reducing time preferences while government nannyism, like the welfare state itself, increases time preference and exacerbates the problems of irresponsibility.

from http://216.239.57.104/u/Mises?q=cache:BkrPfBKIV9YJ:www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp%3Fcontrol%3D219%26sortorder%3Darticledate+high+time+preference&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


31 posted on 02/07/2005 6:05:17 PM PST by toaster
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To: toaster
an accounting professor who had a spread sheet up on a screen and when moving the cursor to another section of the screen he said of the cursor, "You drag this little black guy over here."

"That took the cake "she said. "This was highly offensive,

Oh get a grip!

32 posted on 02/07/2005 6:08:55 PM PST by Drango (tag line under repair)
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To: TXnMA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_preference

All I got ....sorry !


33 posted on 02/07/2005 6:09:26 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: toaster

Thanks for the explanation. I was afraid that it might be something really disgusting.


34 posted on 02/07/2005 6:10:24 PM PST by Desron13
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To: Verginius Rufus
The Bill of Rights means whatever Linda Howard wants it to mean. After all, the Bill of Rights was written by a white male slaveholder.

You're right. I forgot about the "meaning of 'is'" loophole.
35 posted on 02/07/2005 6:13:32 PM PST by clyde asbury ("Think" is a verb.)
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To: toaster
Wow.
36 posted on 02/07/2005 6:19:45 PM PST by clyde asbury ("Think" is a verb.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The titles of nobility are the equivalent of grants of privilege.

The creation of a "protected group" involves the grant of privilege to individuals in the designated group.

This ol'gal is anti-democratic and should be shipped out to a kingdom of her choice ~ preferably one far, far away.

37 posted on 02/07/2005 6:22:23 PM PST by muawiyah (tag line removed)
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To: Tax Government
That's odd -- I'm sure most FReepers earned the B.A. degree they might have (it certainly wasn't "granted" to me like some knighthood). Same goes with the Master's degree I'm pursuing and eventually the Ph.D.

The free-market system expects a worker to be qualified for a position in which he or she is seeking. Your definition of "qualified" might not consider a degree a factor, but the workforce usually does. So if someone wants the job bad enough, they can EARN IT -- after all, they know beforehand what's required of them.

If they're not willing to get the degree like everyone else, they still have an opportunity to be noticed without the need of some law. There are all kind of success stories of people making it without degrees, but it wasn't because it was given to them, either. They had to work for it.

But they can't complain when they aren't hired for lack of a degree. There should be no "right to employment" without being qualified.
38 posted on 02/07/2005 6:25:17 PM PST by scott7278 (All your SCOTUS are belong to us!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Life estates are an award of status that lasts for the life of the holder, and that cannot be inherited. To the extent that the Federal government funds or assists degree-awarding institutions, or gives any kind of preferential treatment in the award of employment or professional licenses to holders of such degrees, it is in violation of the Constitutional ban on creating a noble class.


39 posted on 02/07/2005 6:25:51 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: scott7278

The educational system that awards degrees is inherently unjust. Its purpose is to give the government an unwarranted amount of control over the economy and the employment prospects of ordinary citizens. It is a clear violationof the Constitution's ban on award of nobility, specifically of life estates.


40 posted on 02/07/2005 6:27:45 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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To: toaster
"That took the cake "she said.


I find her flippant attitude towards the starving breadless masses to be highly offensive and insults those that gave there life to overthrow the King of France!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
41 posted on 02/07/2005 6:29:13 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: mhking

Ping


42 posted on 02/07/2005 6:29:57 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: Verginius Rufus
I prefer Moe Howard.
43 posted on 02/07/2005 7:06:57 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: toaster

bump


44 posted on 02/07/2005 7:36:48 PM PST by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: toaster; Squantos
Thanks for the answers, guys! I get it now: High time preference = impatience -- or the childish "Gimme mine now!" attitude.*

Never know when something like that might come in handy when confronting liberals... Thanks again!

*(Or, to quote Ol' Alfred E. Neumann, "What, me worry?")

45 posted on 02/07/2005 8:15:26 PM PST by TXnMA (Attention, ACLU: There is no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: TXnMA

Gimmie ,I want, let's go sort of thang !

Stay safe !


46 posted on 02/07/2005 8:34:39 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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