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"44" (Condi Rumor)
Shape of Days ^ | 2/14/2005 | Section9

Posted on 02/14/2005 5:46:50 AM PST by section9

File this under rumor, the kind of which has the ring of truth to it. From the Shape of Days blog:

February 09, 2005

One for the rumor mill: ‘44’

I wish I could remember where I heard this. I've been meaning to post it for a couple of weeks, and in the intervening time I've completely forgotten who told me about it. So file this one under rumors-comma-amusing.

Everybody knows that the President refers to his father affectionately as "41," right? After the fact that George H.W. Bush was the 41st President of the United States. Bill Clinton was #42, and George W. Bush is #43.

The rumor goes that ever since the election, the President has been jokingly referring to Secretary of State Condi Rice as "44."

Part of me really wants Condi to get the nomination in '08 because I think she'd be a fantastic President … but part of me wants her to get the nomination just so we can finally put that "the GOP is a white-men-only club" nonsense to bed once and for all.

I ran across this in the blogosphere last night, and it seemed to have the ring of truth to it, as Bush is the kind of guy who not only jokes that way, but probably thinks that way, as well. Would not at all be surprised if it's true.

Just thought I'd pass it along.


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I know, I know..this is unsourced rumor. But then again, DEBKAFile stuff gets posted here every day, so I can have a little fun, can't I?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

1 posted on 02/14/2005 5:46:50 AM PST by section9
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To: section9

I like this kind of stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if this story has a bit of truth....sounds like something Pres. Bush would joke about. Thanks for posting it.


2 posted on 02/14/2005 5:49:11 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?)
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To: section9

Not gonna happen. Hillary on the other hand, shudder, gulp, sigh, moan and run to work to try to forget it.


3 posted on 02/14/2005 5:51:09 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: PilloryHillary

And wouldn't that be sweet!


4 posted on 02/14/2005 5:52:03 AM PST by ladiesview61
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To: section9

I've been hoping that Cheney resigns after the '06 midterms and W nominates Condi to fill the remainder of his term. She could then run as the incumbent Veep. Sweet!


5 posted on 02/14/2005 5:52:36 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: section9
Not only would we be able to put to bed the "GOP being a white-mens-club" once and for all. . .

It would also put the final nail in "Hitlery's bid for president" coffin.

If we got to choose between Hitlery and Condi, I doubt it would even be close! Condi would take it in a landslide!

6 posted on 02/14/2005 5:52:56 AM PST by cuz_it_aint_their_money
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To: section9

Condi would be the first Scorpio President since T.R. Scorpios take no prisoners and kick major butt.


7 posted on 02/14/2005 5:53:31 AM PST by montag813
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To: section9
I know, I know..this is unsourced rumor. But then again, DEBKAFile stuff gets posted here every day, so I can have a little fun, can't I?

I wish it could be so, yet there is no way the Republican Party would support her.

I think too many white voters would be turned off because she's black and the abortion/affirmative action wing of the Republican party would stomp her in the primaries.

She hasn't got a prayer. Look elsewhere.

8 posted on 02/14/2005 5:53:33 AM PST by zarf
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Condi and Mitt Romney---Would kick ass!!!!


9 posted on 02/14/2005 5:54:32 AM PST by Pondman88
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To: Sgt_Schultze

What a concept....I like it! You should be a strategerist for the 'publicans!


10 posted on 02/14/2005 5:54:42 AM PST by DC native
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To: mad_as_he$$
Not gonna happen.

Why not?

The thought is an intriguing one and while she may not seek the nomination, couldn't she be drafted?........She certainly is better than ANYTHING the RATs could put up.

11 posted on 02/14/2005 5:55:09 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: section9

"I know..this is unsourced rumor."

So, what your saying is that is more reliable than Dan Rather. I am leaning toward believing this. Bush is known to give people nicknames and this seems to have his unique style.


12 posted on 02/14/2005 5:55:13 AM PST by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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To: section9
I've been told by some FReepers that Murrica is still too racist for a black President. I dunno, I view the world through the eyes of a New Yorker, so I'm not seeing all that racism.

Comments?

13 posted on 02/14/2005 5:55:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: section9
I will bite, she has my vote. What would the ticket look like Rice/???? Rice/Quayle?? Rice/Newt??
14 posted on 02/14/2005 5:55:24 AM PST by Phyto Chems (Convert or DIE is there call --- but I will remember Nick Berg & now Paul Johnson and .....)
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To: ladiesview61

"And wouldn't that be sweet!"

MOST definitely!


15 posted on 02/14/2005 5:56:35 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?)
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To: zarf

Her real problem has nothing to do with the color of her skin; it has to do with her position on abortion.


16 posted on 02/14/2005 5:56:46 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Re your Cheney resignation sceanario. I had the same thought. You just might see it happen.


17 posted on 02/14/2005 5:56:50 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
I've been hoping that Cheney resigns after the '06 midterms and W nominates Condi to fill the remainder of his term. She could then run as the incumbent Veep. Sweet!

I think that's a bad idea. People like changing governments every decade or so. Condi MIGHT be able to pull the premise off, that she is not a continuation of this administration, if she is only a cabinet official. As a Veep, it would be impossible.

18 posted on 02/14/2005 5:57:33 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: section9

love the idea...love Condi...HOWEVER IMHO she needs to show she has the political instincts to be able run for public office, win a general election, and govern strategically at the level of a major state governor.


19 posted on 02/14/2005 5:57:40 AM PST by mo
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To: section9

My money's on Condi.

She would mop the floor with Hitlery in the general election.

Bones


20 posted on 02/14/2005 5:58:22 AM PST by Bones75
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To: section9

DEBKA? Please explain acronyms.....


21 posted on 02/14/2005 5:58:26 AM PST by thag (Up armor this......)
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To: Phyto Chems
Rice/Quayle?? Rice/Newt??

I'm hoping we come up with an unknown named George Beens.

Rice & Beens in 2008!!!!

22 posted on 02/14/2005 5:58:52 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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To: section9

"Yes 99...I'm sure it was 43 and he said 44!......she's gonna run against 666 in 08!!!"


23 posted on 02/14/2005 5:59:09 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: section9
It would be fun to watch the Dems run against a Black woman-- they'd have to make her out to be a 'house negro' or an 'Uncle Tom (Aunt Jemima?)' and that would probably destroy a good chunk of the black support they still have by exposing the fact that, in the Democratic view, black people are free-thinking individuals, as long as they think what they're told.
24 posted on 02/14/2005 6:00:25 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: B Knotts

Single issue voters are morons. So, if GWB were not as pro-life as he is, and say Kerry won, would that have been good for the country while the terrorists got their message that we would cut and run?


25 posted on 02/14/2005 6:01:06 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: B Knotts

Has Dr. Rice ever expressly stated her views on abortion? If so, could someone cite a source and quotes? Or are we just speculating?


26 posted on 02/14/2005 6:02:18 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mo

What I like about Condi is that she is tough and does not back down whereas so many patsy GOP types up there are afraid of their own shadow.


27 posted on 02/14/2005 6:02:31 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: DainBramage

LOL!

Very good, I can just hear his voice saying that!


28 posted on 02/14/2005 6:02:45 AM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: DainBramage
LOL!

Wasn't it 44 that would be hiding in the mailbox and such?

29 posted on 02/14/2005 6:04:19 AM PST by Gumption
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To: B Knotts

Sadly, I must agree. She hasn't made a definative stance on RvW 'cept to say it's a states' rights issue. If she's pro-choice, say such, but don't expect to survive the primaries because of the social conservatives.


30 posted on 02/14/2005 6:04:43 AM PST by Maigrey ("... I will stand in front of the box to put my heart in it." - Mohammed from Iraq the Blog)
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To: section9

Reps will vote for the best candidate, hopefully they will not vote because someone is a member of a minority.


31 posted on 02/14/2005 6:05:40 AM PST by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: section9
The problem as I see it with her running is that a lot of Southern Democrat and rural vote that went to Bush last year, won't vote for her. A perfect example is the Louisiana Governor's election in 2003. Though he was a fairly strong conservative, Bobby Jindal, whose family is from India, though he's Catholic, could not draw enough votes from the more rural north LA. parishes.

Look at the history of the majority of black politicians. Liberals like Jesse, Carol Braun, and Sharpton come to mind. People less informed will be leery of her.

And sadly,I think that race in many areas of the country still trumps the competency of Rice.
32 posted on 02/14/2005 6:07:51 AM PST by Round 9
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To: Gumption

I think he was called Larabee.


33 posted on 02/14/2005 6:09:24 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage

34 posted on 02/14/2005 6:09:24 AM PST by pageonetoo (you'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Where have I heard that before?
35 posted on 02/14/2005 6:10:35 AM PST by ASA Vet (Incumbent VP Rice in 08)
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To: Lazamataz

I know of more democrats who wouldn't vote for a black person. The Republicans I know would say "Whoo-Hoo" for Condi. I don't believe she is pro abortion.


36 posted on 02/14/2005 6:11:48 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: PilloryHillary

"I like this kind of stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if this story has a bit of truth....sounds like something Pres. Bush would joke about. Thanks for posting it."

Rumors are founded upon truth. Except Drudge saying we got Zarquawi.


37 posted on 02/14/2005 6:13:43 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: Tom Bombadil

Rice is pro choice. She also has never even run for city council. I hope she doesn't even think about going down this road because she will be eaten alive. That is not to say that she won't be a great S of State. It's just that electoral politics is a different animal.

It is true that we don't have a standard bearer for 08 yet. But we don't need to push the panic button. Hillary will be formidable, but not unstoppable.

On a lighter note, a few trivia questions:

1) Who was the last person who served as S of STate to run for President?

2) Who was the last person who served as S of State to be a nominee of a party for President?

3) Who was the last person who served as S of State serve as President?

I think I know all three, though I am a little less sure of 2 than the others.

Anyone want to hazard guesses?


38 posted on 02/14/2005 6:16:23 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: mountaineer

In an August 30, 1999 interview with National Review, Condoleezza Rice described herself as "mildly pro-choice" on abortion (whatever that means - sounds Clintonesque).

Also, about two years ago, I heard her in an off-guard moment describe how she and Pres. Bush have differing positions on abortion, explaining she was committed to "choice".

Whatever else one may think of her, her abortion position would be the kiss of death in the GOP primaries. The pro-life forces have invested too much time and energy over the last 30 years to have their efforts co-opted by a "pro-choice" candidate.


39 posted on 02/14/2005 6:19:27 AM PST by pkajj
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To: mountaineer

We are not speculating though I don't have a link at my fingertips. In one of the weekly news periodicals a few years back she said that she was pro choice but admitted she hadn't thought much about the issue. Since that time, however, she has also in other interviews said that she has become much more re-connected with her Christian faith. Perhaps that might help her see the light on this. That said, it is a bit late for someone who has held the highest offices in government and academia and who has an earned doctorate to just now be thinking about the most divisive issue of this generation, isn't it?


40 posted on 02/14/2005 6:20:49 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: DainBramage
Larabee was the Chiefs secretary wasn't he?
41 posted on 02/14/2005 6:20:49 AM PST by Gumption
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To: Gumption

lol I don't guess I remember.


42 posted on 02/14/2005 6:24:29 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Bones75

She would mop the floor with Hitlery in the general election.


Yes, after she scrubbed the floor with Hitlery in the debates.

The elegant, eloquent Condi vs the foul mouthed beast.

Do you think the beast would even agree to debate Condi?


43 posted on 02/14/2005 6:24:35 AM PST by Bennett46
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To: FJB2

Sadly, I have to agree. Jindal had no business losing that election, but there are still some areas where people will either stay home, or vote for a candidate because they're white. Kathleen Blanco ran a vicious race-baiting campaign in 2003, and it helped her narrowly pull it out, despite the fact she lost her own hometown. Skin-color does still matter in some parts of the country.

Fortunately, Jindal was elected to the House from the 1st District last year, and I think we're lucky to have him representing our state. Maybe he'll give it another go at the governorship once Blanco proves how incompetent she really is.


44 posted on 02/14/2005 6:25:55 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: section9
Dick Morris has stated that Condi would cut into Hillary's two major constituencies, blacks and women. Morris has often been wrong on predicting election outcomes, but there is obviously some truth in that observation.

On an academic and intellectual basis Condi wins hands down. My wife pointed out how Condi actually "taught" the Europeans where they were wrong, on her recent trip. She seems to have an iron glove.

I would absolutely love to watch the Condi-Hitlery debates. I'd record every minute of them.
45 posted on 02/14/2005 6:26:39 AM PST by Cycle watcher
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To: ConservativeDude

To play my own trivia game:

1) Who was the last person who served as S of STate to run for President?

Haig. Ran briefly in 1988.


2) Who was the last person who served as S of State to be a nominee of a party for President?

I think this was James G. Blaine, at the end of the 19th century. William Jennings Bryan was nominated again and again by the D's, and eventually served briefly as S of State under Wilson, but that was long after he had been the nominee. (Did Edmund Muskie serve as S of STate? Didn't he run for Pres at some point perhaps in 1976? I'm not sure).

3) Who was the last person who served as S of State serve as President? James Buchanan.

I "think" those are right, though I would welcome any corrections.


46 posted on 02/14/2005 6:27:06 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

I remember now that Charles Evan Hughes was the Republican nominee at one point. But I don't remember if that was before or after he served as S of State.


47 posted on 02/14/2005 6:29:41 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

To be honest, we don't know where she stands at this point in time on this issue. There is no need for her to speak to this issue at this time. If she decides to run, she'll have to square herself with both her faith and her party.

She has become far more connected with her faith in the past five years; that much is true. That must of needs be lead her to certain logical conclusions.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

48 posted on 02/14/2005 6:30:26 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9

So many people protest against Condi because she is "reluctantly" pro-choice. But positions evolve. Years ago I saw nothing wrong with abortion, God forgive me. I have matured and changed my mind and am now passionately pro-life. The same thing could happen as thoughtful Christian people work with Dr. Rice to open her mind and heart.


49 posted on 02/14/2005 6:33:17 AM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: ConservativeDude
You didn't even mention that, as the Presidential nominee -- not to mention VP -- some red states in the South might turn blue (especially if the Dem is a white male). Sad, but true.

If Dubya's calling her "44," it's because of the rumors of her running, not because she plans to run.

50 posted on 02/14/2005 6:36:51 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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