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Personal Thoughts About The Book: "First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America"
02/14/2005 | Grey_Wolfe

Posted on 02/14/2005 6:55:04 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe

It also covers some of the Clinton Administration. I recommended this book for all patriotic Americans to read.


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The authors have done an excellent job in writing and stating their case in this non-fiction book! They tell you what is their speculation and document what they detail as fact. Since it is written in an investigative reporting journalistic style, it is not a book you can read in one night. But, it does periodically summarize what you have read so that you can put it down and pick it up days later and not lose the sequencing of facts.

I am wary of blindly accepting “conspiracy theories”, especially about possible terrorist activities in the present climate of our nation. But this book made such a compelling argument that I filed my own “Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA)” request to the FBI and the NTSB. So far only the FBI has allowed me to obtain some documents. The catch is that the ONLY “Documents available for release consist of 757 pages”. Seeing as there was over a year of investigations by the FBI that included multiple interviews with over 700 eyewitnesses, research of police, Navy, and CIA involvement and participation in the investigation, etc., this is a conspicuously limited amount of documents. As I have had to pay to get a copy of them, I am still waiting for the documents to arrive. I am extremely interested in seeing what those documents contain (or lack).

I am aware of and have researched the conflicting articles (and books) that appeared in the media of the months and years following the crash. I am also aware that there was more than one government reason given for the crash. It changed every time the NTSB or witness reports made it into or were leaked to the media news (in error) and were later dispelled by the government. Since the Dan Rather Scandal in 2004, if you still believe in major media investigative reporting without bias, I might have some prime real estate development (swampland) to sell you.

The FBI was in charge of the crash investigation from day one (07/17/1996). From day one the NTSB was NOT in charge of the investigation. It was not even called in to work the crash until a day after the FBI and the Navy were. Technically, the FBI is only brought in when an accident is ruled out and a crash is considered to be a crime. Also, with the FBI in charge they can invoke the "National Security" clause to quash any news they do not want the public to know about or to limit information given out via the “Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA)”.

Over 100 eyewitnesses followed an object in the sky as it made a sharp turn and then saw an explosion, were not allowed to give testimony at the NTSB Congressional Investigation. I challenge you to do a web (www) search on “TWA Flight 800 Eyewitness” and see what information you find. Read the sites with an open mind and then draw your own conclusions.

While appearing on the Larry King Live show, Senator John Kerry suggested that the TWA Fight 800 was brought down by a terrorist act. At the time, I thought that maybe he had made a mistake. But on September 24, 2001, on Hardball with Chris Matthews, he casually recited a number of terrorist attacks against the U.S.A., including the mention of TWA “Flight 800” (again).

After TWA Flight 800 crashed in 1996, to which an increasing amount of people are now starting to believe that the crash might have actually been a terrorist strike, Al Gore was put in charge of the new airline and national security commission. The commission originally declared additional security measures would need to be implemented immediately in order for the airline industry to thwart the risk of terrorist activity, including the hijacking of planes. The airline industry immediately screamed bloody murder about the cost of implementing the added security measures. After a short amount of time, the major airline companies donated approximately $500,000 to the 1996 Clinton DNC Presidential Campaign. The commission backed off the "immediacy" of its requirements and changed them to be only recommendations. Without issuing the empowerment for the government agencies or commission to back these recommendations up, there was no reason for the Airline Industry to initiate them. Since 9/11, most, if not all, of those same recommendations have been put into place.

If the recommendations had been followed and the enforcement of them not possibly been bought off by special interests, it is my belief that the chance of a war in Iraq might have been greatly reduced. One can only speculate whether preventive action in the 1990’s would have been sufficient to deter the September 11, 2001 tragedy, but this book gives you a lot of information to dwell on. Remember, in the first half of 1996, in a written proclamation, Usama Bin Laden formally declared war on the United States of America. Why did it take over 5 years for us to declare war on him?

Listed Below Are Just Some Of The Supporting Documentation (Books, Articles, And Links) …

Books:

Ron Brown's Body: How One Man's Death Saved the Clinton Presidency and Hillary's Future By Jack Cashill

First Strike – TWA Flight 800 And The Attack On America By Jack Cashill And James Sanders

The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing By Jayna Davis

Intelligence Failure: How Clinton's National Security Policy Set the Stage For 9/11 By David N. Bossie

The First Terrorist Act By Harold Thomas Beck

Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America By Yossef Bodansky

Report Links:

Interim Report on the Crash of TWA Flight 800 and the Actions of the NTSB and FBI – Cmdr. Bill Donaldson, USN/Ret. And the Associated Retired Aviation Professionals - July 17, 1998 http://www.TWA800.com/report/Flt800.pdf

Report Of Congressman James A. Traficant, Jr. - To The Transportation & Infrastructure. Subcommittee On Aviation - On The TWA Flight 800 Investigation - July 15, 1998 http://members.aol.com/bardonia2/traf.htm

Other Links:

9/11 Commission QuickTime Sound Clip: George "Stephie" Steponallofus, Dick Morris and, indirectly, Louis Freeh in his recent 9-11 Commission testimony-- http://users.rcn.com/scherado/misc/freehbombshell.mp3

Iraqis behind 747's demise.htm WorldNetDaily Iraqis behind 747's demise.htm (July 16, 1996 TWA Flight 800)-- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31818

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/eyewitnesses.htm

http://www.Flight800.org/witness_evidence.htm

http://www.Cashill.com/

http://www.multipull.com/TWAcasefile/proof.html

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TWA800/

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/donaldso.htm

1 posted on 02/14/2005 6:55:15 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Grey_Wolfe

I will always believe TWA-800 was a terrorist act of murder........period.


2 posted on 02/14/2005 6:58:05 AM PST by Red Badger (I call her GODZILLARY because she went to NYC and made her nest there, too.........)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Do you also post here using the handles "ILL" and "iliya Pavlovich"? The amount of pontificating by these posters is overwhelming.


3 posted on 02/14/2005 6:59:05 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Are you going to comment on your other threads?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=195930


4 posted on 02/14/2005 7:00:13 AM PST by Darksheare (It is not a ZOT, it is aggressive electro-dermal exfoliation! Yeeeeeeeeeeeagh!)
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To: cweese

This is my only post handle


5 posted on 02/14/2005 7:01:09 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Grey_Wolfe

OK, sorry for the flame.


6 posted on 02/14/2005 7:01:41 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Grey_Wolfe; cweese

Ding ding ding.. first response within a thread you've posted.


7 posted on 02/14/2005 7:01:49 AM PST by Darksheare (It is not a ZOT, it is aggressive electro-dermal exfoliation! Yeeeeeeeeeeeagh!)
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To: Red Badger

I will too. As a bit of trivia concerning TWA 800, this was found on IMDB.com under "trivia" for "9-5"

Trivia for
Nine to Five (1980)
In the middle of the film, Dolly and her colleagues send a nosy secretary to the Aspen Language Center in Colorado, to learn French. The particular TWA 747 shown in the film later was used in reality on the ill-fated flight of TWA 800, which exploded off of Long Island, NY.

Erie, isn't it?


8 posted on 02/14/2005 7:02:31 AM PST by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT, PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: Darksheare

Give me a chance to get there ...


9 posted on 02/14/2005 7:03:18 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Welcome to FR...


10 posted on 02/14/2005 7:03:29 AM PST by null and void (Psst. Mohammad was planted by the Mossad to oppress arabs. It's still working. Pass it on...)
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To: NCC-1701

Didn't know that ...


11 posted on 02/14/2005 7:04:13 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Red Badger

Amen to that. Nothing that came out of the Clinton Administration could be trusted. Ever.

It was a terrorist attack, in my opinion.

I love the way that James Kallstrom, the FBI head of the investigation, retired after 35 years with the FBI, and landed on Wall Street as an "investment banker". The guy was a gumshoe--what did he know about "investments"?.

Typical Clinton payoff policy at work.

There needs to be an independent investigation.

And the complicity of the MSM, from the 1992 campaign on covering for the Clintons and their sorry administration, should never be forgotten.


12 posted on 02/14/2005 7:04:25 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Generally posting four threads in a row on the first day is not a good sign.
Especially lately.


13 posted on 02/14/2005 7:04:34 AM PST by Darksheare (It is not a ZOT, it is aggressive electro-dermal exfoliation! Yeeeeeeeeeeeagh!)
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To: Red Badger

Amen to that. Nothing that came out of the Clinton Administration could be trusted. Ever.

It was a terrorist attack, in my opinion.

I love the way that James Kallstrom, the FBI head of the investigation, retired after 35 years with the FBI, and landed on Wall Street as an "investment banker". The guy was a gumshoe--what did he know about "investments"?.

Typical Clinton payoff policy at work.

There needs to be an independent investigation.

And the complicity of the MSM, from the 1992 campaign on covering for the Clintons and their sorry administration, should never be forgotten.


14 posted on 02/14/2005 7:04:35 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Red Badger
There are NO.....Soviet black marketed SA missiles in the Americas!

/sarcasm

15 posted on 02/14/2005 7:05:57 AM PST by maestro
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Baloney! OKC was the first strike!!! (by Saddam, too!)(can't prove it. Just believe it.)


16 posted on 02/14/2005 7:07:31 AM PST by SierraWasp (EnviroDems are against everything! Especially if it involves productive American's fun or profit!!!)
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To: exit82

There was a Congressional hearing on the matter. It ended during the Clinton Administration.


17 posted on 02/14/2005 7:08:40 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Red Badger
But here's a question no one has bothered to answer: did they ever find missile warhead fragments from the remains of TWA 800? When a conventional missile warhead detonates attacking an airplane it usually leaves a distinct fragmentation pattern at the point of impact or a proximity blast; NONE were ever found. Also, at the altitude TWA 800 was flying it is already out of the range of most MANPAD (MANned Portable Air Defense) systems, including the Stinger and SA-18 systems supposedly favored by terrorists. There's only one MANPAD system made in Sweden that could have hit TWA 800 from the ground, but I don't think it was ever exported outside of Sweden.
18 posted on 02/14/2005 7:10:38 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Grey_Wolfe
If the recommendations had been followed and the enforcement of them not possibly been bought off by special interests, it is my belief that the chance of a war in Iraq might have been greatly reduced.

Huh? What has one got to do with the other? We didn't go to war in Iraq because of 9/11, we went because of its violation of UN resolutions, it' s WMD programs, and to free millions of people from a tyrant.

19 posted on 02/14/2005 7:11:01 AM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: exit82

Didn't George Stephanopolous also refer to "...when TWA800 was shot down..." on television?


20 posted on 02/14/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: SierraWasp

OKC ...

There is a good book on that also.

The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing
By Jayna Davis


21 posted on 02/14/2005 7:12:50 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: SierraWasp; Grey_Wolfe
Baloney! OKC was the first strike!!!

Nope, the first WTC attack was the first strike on our shores. That was what...1993 or 94.

So we had that, then we had OKC in 95, then we had TWA800 in 96. One after the other, no response from clinton.

22 posted on 02/14/2005 7:13:21 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Grey_Wolfe
There have been a number of long threads on this subject over the years, and after reviewing a lot of very intelligent posts and interesting information I've reached three basic conclusions:

1. The "official" cause of the crash was utter bullsh!t, for a number of reasons -- including: a) the manner in which the FBI had to add an accelerant to stage the explosion in its simulation of the accident, and b) the lack of any scientific basis for their explanation that the aircraft actually climbed a thousand feet after it was torn apart.

2. IF the crash of TWA Flight 800 was an act of terrorism, it was destroyed by an on-board explosive and was not shot down by a surface-to-air missile.

3. IF TWA Flight 800 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile, it was an accidental shoot-down by naval vessel off the south shore of Long Island that night.

23 posted on 02/14/2005 7:13:57 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: ladyjane

Not sure, but his story like many in the Administration changed daily.

Hillary's influence is seen here as the person pulling the strings within the Justice Depatment.


24 posted on 02/14/2005 7:14:52 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Red Badger

Welcome aboard member #195,930


25 posted on 02/14/2005 7:15:07 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Red Badger
This is how conspiracy gets started. When the government covers up the truth....look out....every kind of conspiracy will be born. Now that we've got the net it's amazing the crazzziness of some of these conspiracies.

I however believe TWA 800, OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING and several other attacks were terrorist attacks covered up by our government.

26 posted on 02/14/2005 7:16:21 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: RayChuang88
Also, at the altitude TWA 800 was flying it is already out of the range of most MANPAD (MANned Portable Air Defense) systems, including the Stinger and SA-18 systems supposedly favored by terrorists.

That's an excellent point -- which goes to #3 in my post above. In addition, it is important to remember that while TWA 800 was out of the range of most SAMs, it was also flying lower than usual because of a key variation in the flight paths over the region that night. This was something that nobody could have foreseen, so why would a potential attacker have placed themselves so far east if his intent was to shoot the aircraft down?

27 posted on 02/14/2005 7:16:45 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: RayChuang88

Who really knows what was found?

A well maintained 24 year old 747 decides to spontaneously explode--something that never happened before or since?

At first they said it was because the tarmac at JFK was so hot that there was overheating. It that was so, 747s in Medina Airport in Saudi Arabia would be popping like popcorn.

And who is to say the MANPAD was launched from the groun d? It could have easily been launched from a Cessna, and then the 747 would have been in range. Who really knows?

I think our gov't knows---this kind of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's radar and sateliite images and tapes that would surely be available.

But, like the security cameras on the outside of the White House on the day Vince Foster was murdered, they probably all mysteriously failed to operate--just that one time.


28 posted on 02/14/2005 7:17:14 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You should read his book or lwatch one of his newer videos (DVD) like "Mega Fix". He covers a lot of incidents with even more up-to-date info than what is referrenced in the book.


29 posted on 02/14/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: shield

Sooner or later the truth of TWA-800 WILL COME OUT! The Klintroons will be held accountable.........


30 posted on 02/14/2005 7:17:52 AM PST by Red Badger (I call her GODZILLARY because she went to NYC and made her nest there, too.........)
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To: exit82
I love the way that James Kallstrom, the FBI head of the investigation, retired after 35 years with the FBI, and landed on Wall Street as an "investment banker". The guy was a gumshoe--what did he know about "investments"?.

He didn't need to know anything. Hillary and MacAuliffe were picking stocks and commodities for him.

I don't know if he is the same guy or not but the original FBI lead guy was confidently saying that we would soon bring the perps to justice. Shortly after that he was no where to be found.

No wonder the terrorists felt emboldened.

31 posted on 02/14/2005 7:18:33 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: exit82

It is also interesting to note that aviation fuel takes more than just a spark to ignite when it is in its liquid state.


32 posted on 02/14/2005 7:21:38 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Red Badger

Me too.

747's do not spontaneusly explode. Jet fuel (kerosene) is extremely stable.

If Clinton had the balls to admit he covered it up, I'd respect the guy a somewhat.

Why we don't want conflict with these suicidal munchkins is a mystery to me.


33 posted on 02/14/2005 7:22:52 AM PST by Finalapproach29er (Open borders=National suicide)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

TWA-800 fight....Makes me wonder if Sandy the Burglar found information on this in his pants.


34 posted on 02/14/2005 7:23:02 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Graybeard58

Welcome aboard what? ......Titanic?......Thresher?......Minnow?....


35 posted on 02/14/2005 7:23:24 AM PST by Red Badger (I call her GODZILLARY because she went to NYC and made her nest there, too.........)
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To: ladyjane

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24588

Stephanopoulos, implying that this was unnecessary, made this surprising statement: "There are facilities in the White House, not the normal situation room, which everyone has seen in the past, has seen pictures of. There is a second situation room, behind the primary situation room, which has video conferencing capabilities. The director of the Pentagon, the defense chief, can speak from a national military command center at the Pentagon. The Secretary of State can speak from the State Department, the president from wherever he is, and they'll have this capability for video conferencing throughout this crisis. In my time at the White House it was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon."


36 posted on 02/14/2005 7:23:29 AM PST by maggief
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Ron Brown's Body: How One Man's Death Saved the Clinton Presidency and Hillary's Future By Jack Cashill


37 posted on 02/14/2005 7:23:35 AM PST by BenLurkin (Liberals hate liberty.)
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To: ladyjane

Ladyjane, I believe you are correct.

In spite of that smarmy little weasel, the truth sometimes manages to escapes his lips.


38 posted on 02/14/2005 7:24:08 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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39 posted on 02/14/2005 7:24:17 AM PST by BenLurkin (Liberals hate liberty.)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

I read Jana Davis' book and am very convinced that she is correct, There is a vast coverup!!


40 posted on 02/14/2005 7:25:02 AM PST by southland (If Ted Kennedy had driven a volkswagen he could have been president)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Welcome to Free Republic.

41 posted on 02/14/2005 7:25:26 AM PST by trisham
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To: Grey_Wolfe

About the Congressional investigation during the Clintoon reign of terror:

Like the old song says: nothing from nothing leaves nothing.


42 posted on 02/14/2005 7:26:17 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: RayChuang88

There is the published range of the Stinger and then there is the classified range which is ???? but longer.

But the point is taken that one would assume that terrorists would want to get a high probabilty of a hit and would choose an area closer to the airport and lock onto a plane that is coming in to land, slow and low and easy to blox.


43 posted on 02/14/2005 7:27:40 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: BenLurkin

Reading that book now.

Does anyone know how to get a copy of her 1969 Thesis paper where she spouts her Socialism and Maxism? The college has restricted access to the document.


44 posted on 02/14/2005 7:28:24 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: BenLurkin

ping


45 posted on 02/14/2005 7:30:02 AM PST by southland (If Ted Kennedy had driven a volkswagen he could have been president)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Bill Clinton's temper outbursts are well know in the Washington and Arkansas. His lies got his lawyer license suspended. His sexual exploits were than just Monica. Ask some medical professionals (I have), who have tried to read Bill Clinton's book (My Life) and see if they have a diagnosis. Can you spell sociopath? by reviewing his writing style, you can discern that he obviously did not write his own speeches.


List of Common Sociopathic Traits

Egocentricity; Callousness; Impulsivity; Conscience defect; Exaggerated sexuality; Excessive boasting; Risk taking; Inability to resist temptation; Antagonistic, deprecating attitude toward the opposite sex

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect16.htm


46 posted on 02/14/2005 7:30:55 AM PST by Grey_Wolfe
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Good point.At first, Kallstrom even mentioned the possibility about a missile. Then, he stopped saying that.

Guess he got the "memo".


47 posted on 02/14/2005 7:33:53 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Grey_Wolfe

Good point about the avgas.


48 posted on 02/14/2005 7:34:51 AM PST by exit82 (Ted Kennedy--swimming in lies since 1969.)
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To: Red Badger
Sooner or later the truth of TWA-800 WILL COME OUT! The Klintroons will be held accountable.........

Let's hope it comes out before Hilliary gets into the Oval Office, or lots of evidence of their crimes will just disappear.

49 posted on 02/14/2005 7:47:52 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Grey_Wolfe
Does anyone know how to get a copy of her 1969 Thesis paper where she spouts her Socialism and Maxism?

It's been buried deeper than Vince Foster's body.

50 posted on 02/14/2005 7:50:46 AM PST by texasbluebell
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