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The Keyes': An American Family
Adam's Web ^ | 02/16/2005 | Adam Graham

Posted on 02/15/2005 11:16:43 PM PST by Keyes2000mt

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To: AbsolutVerve

I think Alan DOES owe us an explanation. First, he is a leader and secondly, he's always said, yes stated that he would not remain silent on matters that are important. The situation with his daughter is importantant. The man has staked a claim in absolutes. If you absolutely do something, the absolute result will occur. There is a problem with his daughter that the absolute inputs did not equal the absolute outputs. If you believe as does Alan that Maya's sexuality is simply a matter of choice, then some input was faulty. If the equation of absolutes is in fact valid, then some input was in error. If the faulty input is not discovered to show and teach people not to repeat it, then Alan has missed the mark then he has so often stated that he will not remain silent with regard to matters of importance.


21 posted on 02/16/2005 5:51:31 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
think he DOES owe us an explanation.

BULL! Anyone with any maturity knows that the rantings of a sullen teenager do not merit explainations, even if they appear in the press.

22 posted on 02/16/2005 5:53:33 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: papertyger
Bull back to you. Address the matter of absolutes that I stated in that post. We're not talking about a young lady who may or may not be misguided. We are talking about why absolutes didn't turn out as the theory is so often stated.

If Alan is worth his salt, then the issue is to get to the root cause and explore it so it is avoided in every future family, expecially if the root cause is internal and not external.

Alan has always been quick to make broad brush sweeps on matters such as this. If he hadn't in the past, then yes, I would say it would be a family matter. But he hasn't and if it were someone else, he likely would have not remained silent, especially if coming from the other side of the political spectrum. If Desi Arnaz was alive today he would be saying "Alan, you got some 'splainin to do."

23 posted on 02/16/2005 6:03:48 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: AbsolutVerve
I like how people think they know so much about me from a few entries they've picked and chosen to read.

I like how you think we NEED to know more than you've already admitted to on your blog. One fly spoils the whole bowl, kiddo.

24 posted on 02/16/2005 6:04:37 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: joesbucks
Address the matter of absolutes that I stated in that post.

You're assuming what you say about absolutes makes sense. It does not. I'm not critisizing your thinking; it's your writing.

25 posted on 02/16/2005 6:10:07 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: papertyger
I like how you think we NEED to know more than you've already admitted to on your blog. One fly spoils the whole bowl, kiddo.

Are you torqued because of her coming out or are you torqued because it hurts someone you hold in high esteem.

26 posted on 02/16/2005 6:11:25 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
If you believe as does Alan that Maya's sexuality is simply a matter of choice, then some input was faulty.

That's not the issue that precipitated all this.

27 posted on 02/16/2005 6:13:24 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: joesbucks
Are you torqued because of her coming out or are you torqued because it hurts someone you hold in high esteem

I'm torqued because I'm surrounded by IDIOTS that can't see the frickin' emperor is naked.

I'll type this slow for you...she says on her own blog he threw her out in response to her activities at the counter-inaugural.

28 posted on 02/16/2005 6:19:16 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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Ok, so the counter inagural caused her to be evicted. What is the cause of her being a lesbian?


29 posted on 02/16/2005 6:25:22 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
What is the cause of her being a lesbian?

Come on Joe. You've been reading these threads. Speculation like that is as useful as how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and only confuse the relevant issues.

The part that concerns us as the public was a stealth attack by trying to use a "McGreevey" defense.

30 posted on 02/16/2005 6:33:28 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: papertyger
Again, bull. Alan has lived in a world of absolutes, black and whites, no gray zones. It goes to follow that his family would too.

Either absolutes don't equal absolute outcome or there was a straying from the absolute somewhere.

31 posted on 02/16/2005 6:43:37 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

What absolute are you claiming was violated?


32 posted on 02/16/2005 6:54:30 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: joesbucks

First of all, I don't think the issue has ever been that homosexuality is purely a choice. We all understand there are reasons that people get caught up in homosexuality.

In writing this article, I had to walk a very fine line between providing information that clarified the truth of the situation and being far too invasive in posting a lot of personal details.

I mean you can certain form an analysis of why Ms. Keyes is a lesbian just by going through her blog, but it's the type of thing that is very unseemly for a father to discuss in public.

It's also very painful and I'm certain there's a lot of "where did I go wrong" analysis that Dr. Keyes has himself.

One thing Dr. Keyes said back in December, he was asked about pullings kids out of public school. Keyes responded that he couldn't give a flat answer because he'd done both. He said he'd kept the kids in public school until "the results got too bad".

So, the lesson I take from this is "Homeschool Your Kids" and monitor the type of cultural input they get very closely during their formative years. However, beyond that, I don't think he's required to go through self-flagulation in public and to make a speech, "Where I went wrong and failed as a parent" in order to please people. Again, such analysis of the most private areas of life would be beneath most people who wouldn't appear on the Jerry Springer show.


33 posted on 02/16/2005 6:57:49 AM PST by Keyes2000mt (http://adamsweb.us/blog Conservative Truth for Idaho)
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To: papertyger
I'm not claiming something specific. What I am claiming is either absolutes with regard to input doesn't equal absolutes with regard to outputs. Alan says we need to deal in absolutes.

If we are going to hold to that thesis, then there was an absolute(s) that were violated. It's up to Alan and Maya to explain those.

34 posted on 02/16/2005 7:07:56 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: Keyes2000mt
It will only be Jerry Springer only if it is allowed to become Jerry Springer. What Alan must avoid is doing it in a way that allows it to become Jerry Springerish. But he also must avoid the totally friendly forum that doesn't really probe for the truth and ask the tough questions that must be responded to and NOT in Alanspeak.

Frankly to allow his surrogates to provide formal responses is ducking accountability.

35 posted on 02/16/2005 7:25:28 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
What I am claiming is either absolutes with regard to input doesn't equal absolutes with regard to outputs. Alan says we need to deal in absolutes.

If we are going to hold to that thesis, then there was an absolute(s) that were violated. It's up to Alan and Maya to explain those.,

I'm not wanting to make an enemy out of you Joe, but that's got to be the most doctrinaire and pathetic attempt to justify fishing for lurid details I've ever seen. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Really.

What adult is supposed to take you seriously when you spout tripe with the logical cohesion of "smoking dope is illegal" therefore "smoking cigarettes is illegal." That's exactly what you're saying about absolutes. Are you sure you're not fourteen?

36 posted on 02/16/2005 7:25:41 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: papertyger

C'mon you know better.


37 posted on 02/16/2005 7:38:19 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks
What is the cause of her being a lesbian?

Will you accept G-d's explaination? He says the willful rejection of divine axioms causes habitual homosexual behavior. Read Romans 1:18-32.

38 posted on 02/16/2005 7:39:01 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: joesbucks

Dude! That's what you're saying. It may not be what you mean, but that's what's coming across.


39 posted on 02/16/2005 7:40:34 AM PST by papertyger (If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.)
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To: papertyger
No way.

Alan's never shied away from making his views known, no matter the consequences. So have him come forward.

Alan's always stated that we must follow absolutes to accomplish what is intended for us. Either that failed or an absolute was violated. Now is the time for Alan to do some deep inner reflection and come forward with either defending his beliefs about absolutes or explain how one was violated.

You know, for the first time Alan may have to explain in plain words and not his usual Alanspeak something critical about life.

40 posted on 02/16/2005 8:03:48 AM PST by joesbucks
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