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Abstract Appeal ^ | February 25, 2005

Posted on 02/25/2005 10:28:40 AM PST by Hildy

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To: bjs1779
How dare you interject facts into this thread. This is supposed to be a gathering spot for T-4 propaganda. Let's get back on track now.


This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read 'New People'.

61 posted on 02/25/2005 3:05:56 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Trinity_Tx
Read every quote Hammesfher makes very carefully... he got creamed on the witness stand.

That is debatable, but I won't argue the point. He has however offered to treat Terri for free. What is the pro-death side afraid of?

62 posted on 02/25/2005 3:21:08 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: BykrBayb
This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read 'New People'.

And abortions cut down on crime, too!

63 posted on 02/25/2005 3:23:47 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Hildy

Bump for good, informative post.


64 posted on 02/25/2005 3:40:11 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Catholic and Conservative

Here's a small mystery to me. My mother fed my little sister for several years with a feeding tube. It's not fun, but it's not nuclear physics. I'd like to hear why Terri's parents can't do the same.

By the way, who's paying for Terri's care?

This, from Harvard's Quack Watch, doesn't say much for the credentials of Dr. Hammesfahr.

Conclusion
The theoretical basis for Hammesfahr's vasodilation treatment for stroke clashes with current knowledge about stroke physiology. In fact, the prevailing current belief is that such treatments should worsen stroke outcome, not improve it. I believe that vasodilation treatment for stroke patients should be done only as part of an approved peer-reviewed protocol that includes informed consent about the treatment's experimental status and possible risks. Because of the potential risk, I doubt that an institutional review board would permit such a study unless animal studies can demonstrate that the treatment is safe and potentially useful.

Reference
1. 93886, 93888: Transcranial Doppler studies. The Florida Medicare B Update, Nov/Dec 1999.

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Dr. Novella, a member of Quackwatch's advisory board, is Assistant Professor of Neurology at Yale University School of Medicine and president of the The New England Skeptical Society.


65 posted on 02/25/2005 3:43:36 PM PST by Hennible Cobb
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To: bjs1779

I agree with you that they should at least try.


What bothers me about Hammesfher is that he has used language that is misleading.

And that report he made that gives everyone so much hope... He and her parents' lawyers made a point to avoid putting it into evidence so that it couldn't be subject to examination in court. When Felos tried to point out the holes in it, they stopped him because "it wasn't used as evidence."

Doesn't that tell you a lot about the quality of the report itself?

His claims on the stand weren't nearly as grand.


I'd for sure give her therapy, but if she were my sister...well, I might give him a shot, but I'd rather take her some place else - even if it cost a lot. He doesn't even have hospital privileges anywhere.


66 posted on 02/25/2005 3:45:37 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Hennible Cobb

67 posted on 02/25/2005 3:51:32 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779

Why am I not surprised? Other Nobel recipients were Jimmy Carter and Yassar Arafat.


68 posted on 02/25/2005 3:57:42 PM PST by Hennible Cobb
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To: bjs1779
QuackWatch-Accused-of-Racketeering.htm

"Up until now, the quackbusters have been mostly defeated when they attacked one of America's health heroes, But this case joins the new breed - the offensive against those determined to withhold good health care in favor of the status quo."

69 posted on 02/25/2005 3:58:58 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Hennible Cobb

He isn't a recipient of a Nobel Prize. He may not even be a nominee.

All that is is a letter by a congressman suggesting the committee accept him as a nominee.

He was asked to bring evidence that it was accepted to trial, but he didn't. I don't know if he has ever since cleared it up for people.


70 posted on 02/25/2005 4:03:52 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Hennible Cobb
You can ignore these one also. It makes no differnce to me.

Social Security Administration Judge orders Medicare to pay! (2003)Dr. Hammesfahr's treatment procedures.

71 posted on 02/25/2005 4:07:59 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779

That is written by quacks, and refers to a lawsuit filed (and only filed) by quacks (ask your dentist) against quackwatch because they published that the quacks were quacks. lol

(I'm not calling Dr H a quack, just saying...)


72 posted on 02/25/2005 4:11:58 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Annie03

I'm sorry this happened to your father. I'm sorry this is happening to fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters all across the country. I pray we can turn back the tide.


73 posted on 02/25/2005 4:26:50 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Trinity_Tx
That is written by quacks, and refers to a lawsuit filed (and only filed) by quacks (ask your dentist) against quackwatch because they published that the quacks were quacks. lol

Mainstream medicine is reluctant to recognize anything out of their norm. Quackwatch testified against Dr. Hammesfahr and lost the case in 2003 as you can see in this publicity publication.

Quackwatch are quacks if they lose in court.lol If you don't like the guy that is fine, but you can't put anything on him other than your opinoin


http://www.hnionline.com/Sarah's%20Stuff%20Working%20On/LWF00082.jpg

74 posted on 02/25/2005 4:37:50 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: bjs1779
ooops, part 2


75 posted on 02/25/2005 4:47:05 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; cyn; BykrBayb; All
Father Frank Pavone witnessed Terri's condition just 2 and a half weeks ago. He has some EXCELLENT advice to EVERYONE interested in helping Terri AND MICHAEL ... HERE Note the parts in red, and BLUE in post #1 there.


FL definition of persistent vegetative state, PVS:

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From video Terri Big Eyes; see it at www.terrisfight.org-- http://www.terrisfight.org/

Terri starts out apparently asleep. A doctor wakes her to start his tests.

Doctor: Terri. Open your eyes up...

Terri: (Startled at hearing her name. She starts moving her mouth and fluttering her eyes, like a person who is just waking up)

Doctor: Open your eyes, Terri open your eyes

Terri: (slowly at first, Terri struggles to open her eyes, then turns toward the doctor, and opens her eyes a normal amount)

Doctor: There you go, good.

Terri: (then, either to show off(?) or wanting to perform well, she leans further forward toward the doctor, looks straight at him and opens her eyes as WIDE AS SHE CAN. >> Note the WRINKLES ACROSS HER FOREHEAD caused by her also RAISING HER EYEBROWS as high as possible )

Doctor: [now obviously impressed] GOOD!! GOOD JOB! GOOD JOB YOUNG LADY! Good Job.




================================================================================== Two photos from the pre-jury-award era, which are ironic because Mikey NOW doesn't allow Terri to have a working wheelchair or go outside!




76 posted on 02/25/2005 4:49:43 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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Documented Terri-vocabulary references
Words Witness
"mommy"
"momma"
"help me"
nurse - Heidi Law, certified nurse assistant
"pay"     (meaning 'pain'
                when she was in discomfort)
'Haaaiiiii'   (meaning Hi,
                in response to 'Hi Terri')
'mommy'
'help me'
Nurse - Carla Sauer Iyer, R.N.

"'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most frequent
utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of times."
"stop"   (in response to one medical
                procedure being done on her)
Terri's MediPlex records
"ugh-hugh" (meaning yes)
"ugh-ugh" (meaning no)
"yea"
"No"
family members.

'yea' was a word she reportedly first re-learned to speak in 2002.


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77 posted on 02/25/2005 4:53:08 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: FL_engineer
Mikey is hiding.


Yesterday, Michael Schiavo called the cops on us during a peaceful protest in front of his house. "He repeatedly called the police again and again and again... Michael never came out of his house."

"He watched us through the blinds and through the windows in his garage. Schiavo told the police that the two men from the Franciscan Brothers for Peace were terrorists. An officer pulled one of the brothers aside and asked him why he was wearing a dark cape. Brother Paul explained that he was from a religious order of brothers and he was wearing the religious habit. Bro Paul said they were in Florida to protest Terri's death sentence." by amdgmary

78 posted on 02/25/2005 4:57:54 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: FL_engineer

Poor woman.

Posting pictures of her in this sad condition is just the violation of Terri's privacy that people fear most for themselves.

Who could think that anyone would want to be poster child for a bunch of zealots and wind up being pitied by millions of people by having such pictures spread across the world wide web.


79 posted on 02/25/2005 5:03:38 PM PST by KDD
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To: FL_engineer

The Father Pavone video is available at http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/resolve.asp?rafile=rock021805.rm .


80 posted on 02/25/2005 5:05:15 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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