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Terri and executive power (Terri Schiavo and Executive Power)
RenewAmerica.US ^ | March 22, 2005 | David Quackenbush

Posted on 03/23/2005 7:40:30 AM PST by topher

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To: G.Mason

May I ask you, how many times will Terri be subjected to the removal of sufficient care necessary to remain alive?

Is this the very last time? Or will she have to endure this, on and off, until it is long enough to kill her.

At this point I do not know how to answer your question. For so long I have believed in the Justice system in this country and that good men sit on the benches. For the most part I have accepted at face value, that the courts have and would continue to look at all aspects of a case.

Hopefully this ends in a way that will cease her suffering from starvation. Hopefully the husband, the judge and the Attorney end up behind bars for attempted homicide.

But this case has shaken my belief to the very core that there is any longer any Justice in America.

I am fully convinced now that the sins of this land will only be purged by blood. The blood of Tyrants and Patriots (No not my words, but in my opinion they do apply here).


101 posted on 03/23/2005 12:32:24 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Leatherneck_MT
I realize you, and others here, have deep feelings on this issue.

I am not involved emotionally. I am not a doctor, lawyer, politician, parent of Theresa, guardian, or judge.

However, when I read in a post here on FR, that Freeper XYZ will pay for Theresa's care (all of it), or let's organize and break her out, from some jerk in Asia, I become amused at the juvinility of it all.

It isn't one person, or even several, it is many hundreds here that profess to know the law, that the lawyer is scum, the president will pay, Michael Schiavo needs killing, etc. etc. on ad infinitum.

Theresa has had this stomach tube installed and removed three times, I believe. How many more?

Persons have said we wouldn't deny food and water to an animal.

Why do this to Theresa?

Where have all the wailers been for the last five years that this has been on the front pages?

Have they offered to take care of Theresa? To donate their time? Actually donated their money to the parents? Sat in court at the hearings?

Though some I'm sure may have, most are simply antagonistst, who talk a good game, offer idiotic suggestions, and refuse any semblance of honest debate.

You have what appears to be a good head on your shoulders.

How many times must this be done? And if and when it is done yet again, will you and all the others, go home and forget about Theresa until the ugly beast rears it's head once more?

Then being forced, as if by some magical spell, to come out and rant about the United States falling, the corrupt lawyers, judges, politicians and Free Republic members who have another idea, or wish to see the evidence.

102 posted on 03/23/2005 1:20:01 PM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: G.Mason

Forget about it?

Not ever

This has been my personal wake up call to a real problem and threat to my children and grandchildren in this country.

The Judicial system in this country is run by tyrants. I will see to it that every one of them in the area that I live, or on a federal level is scrutinized to the point of removal from office.

Because I fear if WE do not do this now and remove these jack booted jackasses from office, then we will be forced to remove them from office at the point of a gun somewhere in the very near future. I don't want to see my country torn apart by another civil war, but I'm afraid it's quickly coming to that.

Forget? Not on your life


103 posted on 03/23/2005 4:15:57 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Perhaps if the Congress would show some gonads and decisively address these kind of issues, rather than worrying about re-election and special interest groups, the judiciary would not be placed in such a position of importance. But it is exactly the failure of congress that precipitates the alleged abuses by the courts.

And in this case I say the words "alleged abuses" because it appears that over 60% of the people in America agree with the courts and their numerous reviews and decisions in this case. So it looks like the majority believe that all has been done, the medical reviews have been re-reviewed numerous times, the patient has not shown improvement, and she indicated to her husband that she would not want to live in this condition.

If there has been any abuse of Terri, it has been by the lawyers who have forced her to continue her life for 15 years despite her wishes, and dispite no improvement in her condition even after treatment early in her diagnosis.
I understand the agony of losing a loved one and wanting to hold on. But holding on against her wishes is selfish.


104 posted on 03/23/2005 4:51:12 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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But it is exactly the failure of congress that precipitates the alleged abuses by the courts.

Agreed.

And in this case I say the words "alleged abuses" because it appears that over 60% of the people in America agree with the courts and their numerous reviews and decisions in this case.

The number 60% is, I assume, approximately taken from a push-poll that no one should place any credence in, that shouldn't have even seen the light of day.

Even if it's accurate by accident, X% of America "agreeing with the courts" isn't really very relevant if that X% doesn't know what the hell they are talking about in the first place. More useful might be a composite poll with a series of questions such as (1) do you agree with the courts?, (2) Is Terri Schiavo on life support?, (3) Is Terri Schiavo brain-dead?, (4) Is Terri Schiavo a vegetable? etc. It might be very interesting to learn to what extent a Yes answer to (1) correlates with (wrong) Yes answers to (2), (3), (4), etc....

The courts are ignoring Terri Schiavo's right to life. If the majority agrees with that then the majority is wrong.

So it looks like the majority believe that all has been done, the medical reviews have been re-reviewed numerous times, the patient has not shown improvement, and she indicated to her husband that she would not want to live in this condition.

This is a bunch of jibberish. "all has been done"? Meaning what, all appeals? So what?

The "medical reviews" have been "re-reviewed"? Meaningless, if the original medical diagnosis was wrong (you know she's had no MRI or PET right?) and the "reviews" consisted of a judge saying "I see no reason to doubt the original diagnosis".

I'm not sure what whether she's shown improvement has to do with anything. She's a human being. Have you shown improvement? If not can we kill you?

The assertion that she expressed a wish not to live in "this condition" is based primarily on his say-so. And it's doubtful that she would have discussed "this condition" with him - or at least, we can't really conclude that - given the we don't know, exactly, what "this condition" is.

If there has been any abuse of Terri, it has been by the lawyers who have forced her to continue her life for 15 years despite her wishes,

Bullcrap. You don't know what her wishes are. And she is not being "forced" to live. The notion of being "forced" to live is Orwellian.

And besides, if she's as far gone as you apparently assume she is, then how can "forcing" her to live constitute "abuse"? She's a vegetable anyway, so who is there to feel "abused"?

and dispite no improvement in her condition even after treatment early in her diagnosis.

How much treatment? Treatment "early"? Why did the treatment cease, I wonder? Uncomfortable questions... sorry.

I understand the agony of losing a loved one and wanting to hold on. But holding on against her wishes is selfish.

That may be.

What are her wishes?

You have no idea. If she's a vegetable she has no "wishes". If she's not a vegetable we're killing a living human being who, for all we know, may want to live - and may even be inclined to take her parents' wishes into account.

But you're right. Let's just kill her. We must err on the side of death. Better safe than sorry. It's cruel to "force" her to live. It's humane to starve her to death. It's "selfish" to provide her sustenance. It's mature and selfless to put armed guards outside her door and forbid people from seeing or feeding her. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

Can you perceive my disgust yet or shall I continue?

105 posted on 03/23/2005 5:56:22 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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