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'PCRM Week': The Dairy Attack
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Posted on 04/13/2005 3:35:11 PM PDT by freepatriot32

Unless you're among the bean-sprout-sized minority of Americans who describe themselves as "vegans" (vegetarians who also won't touch milk, cheese, yogurt, butter, or even a dollop of honey), you may have been alarmed by the publicity surrounding an article appearing last month in the journal Pediatrics. The anti-milk piece -- written by activists from the PETA-affiliated Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) -- concluded that feeding milk to children is unnecessary, and that there are better ways (kale, tofu, turnip greens, or spinach, for instance) for kids to get the calcium they need. In reaching this result, PCRM relied on only a few dozen of the nearly 1,000 available studies about milk and bone health, while ignoring the practical problem of getting children to eat the eight cups of cooked spinach required to replace the calcium in a small glass of milk. Does this attack on milk sound like the leading edge of an animal-rights campaign? It is.

Neal Barnard, co-author of the Pediatrics article, is PCRM's president. He's a non-practicing psychiatrist, not a pediatrician. Barnard is also president of the PETA Foundation ( click here to see its tax return, and scroll to page 25) -- the organization that owns PETA's real estate, issues its payroll checks, and funds its many overseas offices. This means Barnard is arguably one of the two most powerful people at PETA.

No wonder Neal Barnard's research claims that there is "no evidence to support the notion that milk is a preferred source of calcium." That's exactly what you'd expect PETA to say. The same PETA that believes a dairy cow's life is as valuable as that of any human being.

A Pediatrics editorial accompanying PCRM's study put things in a more constructive perspective:

The National Academy of Sciences [says] that the immediate goal of pediatric health care providers is still to achieve maximum peak bone mass in our adolescent patients. What is the best way to achieve this goal? A calcium intake of 1300 mg/day will cause no harm that we know of, and the National Academy of Sciences has set an upper limit of 2500 mg/day for this age group. The easiest way to achieve this level of intake is to consume dairy products. Another voice of reason came in 2001 from a "Special Committee" assigned by the USDA to evaluate PCRM's complaints against the popular "milk moustache" advertising campaign. According to the committee's findings of "scientific consensus":

[I]ncreased calcium intake, especially from dairy products, increases bone density in childhood and adolescence ... [C]ow milk consumption at currently recommended intakes is likely to be beneficial [for bone health at all stages of the life cycle." The coup de grace came in the form of Congressional testimony offered in 2003 by Creighton University medical professor Robert Heaney, a world-renowned expert on osteoporosis and bone health. There is ample evidence, Heaney told Congress, that "there are effectively no substitutes for dairy foods if we are to meet the nutritional needs of our school age children ... The arguments raised against the healthfulness of milk are scientifically groundless." Heaney continued:

I think it is useful to recognize the origin of the anti-milk campaign -- and it is literally a campaign. If one checks carefully, one finds that behind most of the stories is an organization called the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and its sister organization, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). These are animal rights organizations that oppose the use of any animal product -- leather, fur, meat, or milk. Despite being "outed" as a PETA affiliate before the U.S. Congress, PCRM's hostility toward dairy foods continues unabated. In one of his books, Barnard writes that feeding kids meat and milk "is a form of child abuse." (That same message now shows up on PETA billboards.) Ten years later, Barnard wrote that milk was itself an addictive drug. "Cheese," he told a Food and Drug Administration panel, is "dairy crack" and "the purest form of the [milk] drug." [Click here for video and forward to 03:24:38.]

Just how dedicated is the "Physicians Committee" to exiling milk from Americans' diets?

PCRM publicly objected to a U.S. Senator's proposal to put milk vending machines in every American public school.

PCRM contends that juvenile diabetes is caused by milk consumption -- a claim that endocrinologist Dr. Ines Guttman-Bauman of Children's National Medical Center calls "complete nonsense." PCRM also alleges milk's complicity in everything from asthma and allergies to breast cancer.

In 2002, PCRM filed a legal petition against the U.S. Department of Agriculture, claiming school lunches that include milk "discriminate against minorities. "

On a vegetarian message board in December, a PCRM nutritionist issued a plea for help collecting examples of how schools encourage kids to drink milk. "We're looking for anything promoting dairy milk," she wrote, "from posters to classroom materials. If any of your kids have digital cameras or cameras on their cell phones and could take pics of what they see, that would be great."

This month, PCRM asked its supporters for help gathering information that could be used to sue dairy producers. "PCRM," the group's e-mail read, "would like to bring a lawsuit against the dairy industry for false advertising."

Last month's Pediatrics study carried a curious disclaimer that declared PCRM's authors had "no conflict of interest." If being a part of the animal-rights movement (and maintaining alliances with the movement's violent fringe, as we discussed yesterday) doesn't disqualify you from analyzing the nutritional benefits of milk, it's hard to imagine what would.


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He's a non-practicing psychiatrist, not a pediatrician.

well who better to give MEDICAL advise for children? I mean really why would you consider listening to a pediatrician for what is best for your child when you can take the advice of a non practising psychiatrist?I really hope for his sake that his malpractice insurance is paid up.

1 posted on 04/13/2005 3:35:15 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32; Calpernia; Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; Tuba Guy; SevenofNine

I suggest every child be given a milk goat at birth.


2 posted on 04/13/2005 3:50:55 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

And when you grow up you can have goat cheese. :)

Yummy


3 posted on 04/13/2005 3:55:51 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Ongoing prayers for nw_arizona_granny and TexasCowboy)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I've never tried goat milk, is it tasty?


4 posted on 04/13/2005 3:56:54 PM PDT by zygoat
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Poincare; Rytwyng; Colorado Buckeye; Sarah
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Having had a lot of it as a youngster, I agree. Goat milk is a great alternative to pasteurized dairy.

5 posted on 04/13/2005 3:57:08 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: WestCoastGal

Vey yummy. Just finished a salad topped with olive oil & vinegar dressing and chevre cheese crumbles. Oh yummy yummy.


6 posted on 04/13/2005 3:58:34 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: freepatriot32

while ignoring the practical problem of getting children to eat the eight cups of cooked spinach required to replace the calcium in a small glass of milk.


Popeye is spinning in his grave!


7 posted on 04/13/2005 3:59:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: freepatriot32

Mmmmmm....me want a grilled dairy crack sandwich.


8 posted on 04/13/2005 4:01:43 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: tet68
Popeye's DEAD!!!???

Nobody tells me anything!

9 posted on 04/13/2005 4:10:26 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: freepatriot32
Look at the bright side, Neal Barnard is at least a non-practicing psychiatrist.
10 posted on 04/13/2005 4:12:02 PM PDT by Woodworker
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To: CaptRon
Popeye's DEAD!!!???
Nobody tells me anything!

Yep, it was an arterial aneurysm in both arms, all the
symptoms where there but who knew.

Oliveoyl took it hard but eventually got some closure
by moving in with wimpy and getting a breast implant.
Now of course she's testifying before the FDA and trying
to sue her plastic surgeon. Wimpy died last year of a
beef overdose, leaving an estate millions of dollars in
debt to White Castle.
11 posted on 04/13/2005 4:49:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

I - did - not - know - that!

Thanks for the update.

Any idea what Scooby Do is up to these days?


12 posted on 04/13/2005 4:54:37 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful.)
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To: tet68

LMAO!


13 posted on 04/13/2005 4:58:44 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: freepatriot32
"(kale, tofu, turnip greens, or spinach, for instance)"
 
This will never work.
 
Mainly because my grandchildren would never be able to keep this stuff down after we mixed it in with their Cheerios every morning.
 
Followed by their Nana up-chucking right along with them, since she has never been able to watch the little darlings puke without doing so herself.

14 posted on 04/13/2005 5:14:45 PM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (for a fee........I'm happy to be........Your BACKDOOR MAN!....Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!)
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To: Allosaurs_r_us

you just about made me choke to death on my grilled CHEESE (as in made with dairy. up yours PCRM. :-p)sandwich when you put that mental image in my head of small school children sitting down to breakfast and nana pouring a big steaming pile of spinach and turnip greens on thier cheerios. :-)My advise is to take your grandchildren over to this non practising phychiatrist who isnt a real doctor but plays one in front of congress and have him feed the children all the good nutritional food he wants and then see how quick he drops them off at your house with a free gallon of milk in each childs backback.


15 posted on 04/13/2005 6:08:45 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Woodworker
Look at the bright side, Neal Barnard is at least a non-practicing psychiatrist.

Yes that is a good thing what he really needs to do is get his marxist tofu od'ed brain to a practicing phychiatrist real quick there may be a chance to save 9 or 10 brain cells if he gets couseling

16 posted on 04/13/2005 6:13:59 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: zygoat

During one period of time, I had 2 cows giving milk and then got the first milk goat.

I put all the milk away and 3 days later fed it to the animals, drank cow milk.

Then one day, we drank the goat milk and never went back to the cow milk.

A goats milk is thicer, a mere fraction thicker, this is due to the fact that fat is suspended throughout the milk at delivery, their cream does not move to the top as quickly as the cow milk does.

If goat milk does not taste sweet and GOOD, then don't drink it. It won't be the goats fault, but rather the milk handlers fault, for not keeping it clean.

Sick people and babies can drink goat milk when nothing else works.

When you drink goat milk, you do not have the allergy problems and it is amazing how a baby will grow and never be sick on it.

One thing it does with babies, is stop that runny nose some are prone to.

If I had a baby, it would be on goat milk or cow milk, NOT soy waste, err called milk.

In the 1920's England was doing studies, on the possibility that goat milk did not cause the mysterious crib deaths that still happen today.

Some think that the deaths are due to an allergy to cow milk.

The death is due to the flim created, choking off the wind pipe.

OK, more than an answer to is it good? Yes.


17 posted on 04/14/2005 5:28:35 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: Lil'freeper; WestCoastGal; Calpernia

I love this, turned a Peta thread into a goat thread, fantastic justice.

I will attempt to find my goat cheese recipe, it came to me from the lady at the Yuma Date Gardens, who located my King Louie for me.

Used a good vinegar or lemon juice and made gallons of it each day. Even made it for others who kept goats.

Fresh cheese, with Jalapeno peppers in it, is so good.

Add a couple fresh home grown tomatos and fresh baked bread and that is heaven.


18 posted on 04/14/2005 5:33:52 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: Allosaurs_r_us

Thank you for making me smile.


19 posted on 04/14/2005 5:36:54 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I'm really curious...

Do Vegan's eat honey?

Those poor enslaved bees are prisoners in those boxes....then they have their food for their larvae ripped out for us selfish humans.


20 posted on 04/14/2005 5:46:26 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: freepatriot32

>>>On a vegetarian message board in December, a PCRM nutritionist issued a plea for help collecting examples of how schools encourage kids to drink milk. "We're looking for anything promoting dairy milk," she wrote, "from posters to classroom materials. If any of your kids have digital cameras or cameras on their cell phones and could take pics of what they see, that would be great."<<<<<

What an unbelievable, blatant, expoitive statement!

They want to risk kids getting suspended so they can create propaganda!


21 posted on 04/14/2005 5:49:37 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: farmfriend

ping


22 posted on 04/14/2005 5:50:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: freepatriot32

ROFL!!!!!


23 posted on 04/14/2005 5:53:48 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Why don't they sell goat milk at stores?

I have a great recipe for fudge made from goat milk. Got it from one of my members at Breederville.

I would love to try to make it.

I look forward to getting some dairy goats when we move from this house.


24 posted on 04/14/2005 5:57:46 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: freepatriot32

Why is this in blogger?


25 posted on 04/14/2005 5:58:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Now you've made me hungry and I have no goat cheese. lol, and after looking no tomatoes either.....will have to go to store later. I do have a bread machine that works wonders on that fresh baked stuff!

I am daring to venture into the new Walmart, wish me luck. I heard they have new Dale Jr stuff.


26 posted on 04/14/2005 6:58:41 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Ongoing prayers for nw_arizona_granny and TexasCowboy)
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To: Calpernia
why is this in blogger

I have no idea.It was in news activism with some topics in it then the admin mod erased all the topics then about an hour later he moved it to blogger even though its not from a blog.I geuss for whatever reason the admin moderator doesnt want anyone to see this story so he buried it in blogger.

27 posted on 04/14/2005 9:26:59 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change goverment support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: freepatriot32

It is too bad the milk scientists are either affailiated with the dairy industry or animal rights groups. Both have an interest, so it's hard to get at the truth.

I drink soy milk when I can find it, and prefer vegetable proteins, poultry and fish, though I am weak in palette. I do eat red meat, it's just raised right here, hormone and pesticide free. I don't want that fithy factory farm meat, it's just a personal health thing.


28 posted on 04/14/2005 11:41:30 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Allosaurs_r_us

By the way, soy milk is wonderful with cereal. It is pretty sweet, kids do like it!


29 posted on 04/14/2005 11:43:01 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Calpernia

"I'm really curious...

Do Vegan's eat honey?

Those poor enslaved "

I have vegan friends. No they don't eat honey or any animal products. I must say they have fed me on occasion and this particular family cooks up some really yummy food (with the exception of their baked goods). I'll go hungry before I'll eat their tofu stir fry though.


30 posted on 04/14/2005 11:45:47 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: WestCoastGal

Pick me up some tomatoes, peppers and wet mozzarella while you there, ok Coco?


31 posted on 04/14/2005 12:17:33 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: freepatriot32

I've noticed a number of animal 'rights' articles get moved to blogger.


32 posted on 04/14/2005 12:18:35 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: followerofchrist

I will have occassional vegetarian dishes. I will not go vegan. I'm a proud carnivour.


33 posted on 04/14/2005 12:21:32 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

"I will have occassional vegetarian dishes. I will not go vegan. I'm a proud carnivour."

Many people who don't like vegetarianism have never eaten at a talented vegan's home. They do tend to work more with flavorings and spices, creating tasty dishes, rather than bland meat and potatoes. There are lots of misconceptions about their diet. The actually do have vegan meat and cheese sandwiches with lots of protein, and they are quite tasty with nayonnaise. I also believe it is a healthier diet, provided that the vegans make sure to get all the nutrients.
In general, I prefer home grown meat and organic stuff. Poison, preservatives, growth hormones and antibiotics in my (or my cats') food is disgusting. So is all that disgusting bad fat. This is "American" and I do not like American food much.

If some of you reading this hate other countries out of love for yours, then the patriotic thing to do is keep sending our fast food joints overseas. That's the most effective way to kill your enemies.


34 posted on 04/14/2005 3:58:07 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

I've cooked vegan dishes. I don't like vegan dishes.

I do enjoy many vegetarian dishes; but only occasionally.

I also don't like fast food. IMO, it is not food.

I'm a proud carnivour.


35 posted on 04/14/2005 4:37:43 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: followerofchrist
"By the way, soy milk is wonderful with cereal. It is pretty sweet, kids do like it!"
 
Are you on the right site? Tofu with a little added sweetener tastes pretty good too! ESAD! What's the matter with you? My grandkids absolutely love milk! Why would I give them a soy substitute? Do you have a membership with PETA or what? I will thank you to keep your VEGAN attitudes to yourself. We eat MEAT in this household and are damned proud to be carnivores. We hunt, fish, and raise our own pork and beef. Soy is what we feed the animals we are going to butcher, that and a little barley makes the stuff melt in your mouth! You should try it sometime, it builds BRAIN protein which is apparently lacking in those who think otherwise. Humans rule the earth because we eat PROTEIN, which comes from meat and the byproducts. It is BRAIN FOOD!
 
SOY! For cryin' out loud! Did something in my post look like I was soliciting an alternative?

36 posted on 04/14/2005 8:04:35 PM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (for a fee........I'm happy to be........Your BACKDOOR MAN!....Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!)
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To: followerofchrist; MeekOneGOP
"If some of you reading this hate other countries out of love for yours, then the patriotic thing to do is keep sending our fast food joints overseas. That's the most effective way to kill your enemies."
 
If YOU are reading this, I seriously recommend you find a different place to post this B.S.
 
I do not believe anyone on this forum "Hates" any other country. What kind of foul puke are you trying to incite? Most FReepers are very tolerable even of our enemies. Your post suggest you are  lousy DU troll. Either that or a PETA plant. Which is it?
 
Sending out a PING for the Viking Kitties. I will let them decide.

37 posted on 04/14/2005 8:15:04 PM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (for a fee........I'm happy to be........Your BACKDOOR MAN!....Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!)
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To: followerofchrist; Gunrunner2; SandyInSeattle; MikeinIraq; Conspiracy Guy; StoneGiant; RushCrush; ...
You are by far the most pacifist conservative I have ever run across. Are you sure your talents couldn't be used on a more liberal site? Judging by your posts, your "friends" are more than likely Democrats.
 
Are you into that kind of tolerance? Most of us here can hardly stay in the same room. You seem to be tight roping the fence, don't ya think. You remind me of Kerry, "I voted for it, before I voted against it"
 
Your History
 
Oh, and there's this little tid bit, that says a whole lot. Tell me do you have your own opinion about anything, or are you just here to stir sh!t up?
 
"There is NOTHING that conservatives have in common with liberals////NOTHING."  (Posted by a fellow FReeper)
 
Your Reply:

Yes, you guys have quite alot in common.

1) You both love war, but have different targets for different reasons. 
 
2) You both love big government when your party is in office, and hate it when the other party is in control of it.

3) You both spend our taxes like crazy. Dems tax, repubs borrow. Dems spend on social programs, repubs on weapons.

4) You both love immigration--repubs for cheap labor, dems for cheap cause.

5) You both love free trade for cheap trinkets.

6) You both want to enforce your morality by law.

7) Few repubs or dems question their party line.

8) Both hate third parties, because they address the issues you won't.

9) Both love the Constitution, when the other is in office.

10) Both have sexually active, drug-addicted teens.

11) You both love the UN, but dems want submission to it, repubs want to control it.

12) You both love the world court. Dems want us subject to it, repubs want only others subject to it.

13) You both oppose child labor, but neither has written a law banning imports from nations that use it.
 
Hey I just figured it out! You just like to piss everybody off, right?
 
Ya know, I think I'll invite a few FReepers to take a look at your philosophy.........
 
If this is what defines an independent, no wonder you guys can't find a candidate that holds up.

38 posted on 04/14/2005 9:11:25 PM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (for a fee........I'm happy to be........Your BACKDOOR MAN!....Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!)
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To: followerofchrist
>>They [vegans] do tend to work more with flavorings and spices, creating tasty dishes, rather than bland meat. . .<<

You say that only because you have never experienced one of my BBQ's. . . .heaven couldn't BBQ a better steak, and my twice baked potato is an experience and a half.
39 posted on 04/15/2005 4:16:22 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: followerofchrist
>>If some of you reading this hate other countries out of love for yours, then the patriotic thing to do is keep sending our fast food joints overseas.<<

You bet. . .always like a safe place to eat. Even in the mid-east or a few places in Africa, a McD's is very much safer than some street vender who knows nothing of sanitary practices.

Other than an occasion food item (off a hotel restaurant menu) the third world has nothing to offer.

Besides, we don't MAKE the locals eat at McD's or KFC, they choose to on their own. They are allowed to make that choice for themselves, are they not? I mean, they are responsible adults and not mere children needing our guidance and firm hand to ensure they eat "right."

I've had the vegan dinner experience with a family of vegans. Yuck. Wasn't impressed. Give me a steak, rare, and bread to sop up the blood. . .now that's great eating!
40 posted on 04/15/2005 4:21:39 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Allosaurs_r_us
Regarding FC:

>>Your Reply:

Yes, you guys have quite alot in common. <<

"You guys" is instructive; i.e., FC identifies himself as someone (something?) other than a conservative.

Very interesting. . . .very interesting indeed.
41 posted on 04/15/2005 4:26:20 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: followerofchrist

Vegetables and plants have feelings too. How can you eat a tomato? Potatoes even have eyes!

Eat what you want and leave the carnivores alone.


42 posted on 04/15/2005 4:48:54 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ask about free shipping !)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
>>Vegetables and plants have feelings too<<

You know, you have a point. ;-)

Plants have feelings and do not like being eaten and are stressed out at the thought of their own demise----so says Cleve Baxter, the "father" of the polygraph.

Cleve wired up plants and discovered they react to emotions and music. . .so, it's true. . .plants do have feelings. Maybe we should all become "airians" that fictitious group that believes we can survive on air alone (from an old episode of Barney Miller)

From http://www.hrvg.org/newsletter/2002-09/conference.html

>>Perhaps the most vivacious presentation is delivered by the affable, 79-year-old legend, Cleve Baxter, who began experimenting on plants in the 1960's, testing for their electromagnetic responses to various external stimuli. You know, where the plant is hooked up to a polygraph and you think mean thoughts and the graph goes haywire? I like the one where you chop a head of cabbage in two and the plant just freaks. Then you leave the room and a series of people enter one by one as the plant grows bored until you, the cabbage chopper, renter the room whereby the plant loses it again, "Cabbage chopper, cabbage chopper!!!", thus demonstrating a form of plant recall.

In a similar observation, Cleve tells us of one plant's registered distress at the incidental opening of a yogurt cup. Evidently, it was determined, the impending doom of the bacteria in the yogurt was enough to upset the plant, illustrating once again the truly delicate interconnectedness of all living things.

The talk is a hit and Cleve's books at once sell out. I grab him during the after-talk book signing. "Mr. Baxter," I interrupt, "your plants get excited when someone close by wants to, say, set them on fire. But, how do they respond to love?"

"Not too well, I'm afraid," Cleve laments, "for a scientist, that is. Love tends to calm them down, and so their wave patterns become very smooth. If we're looking for a reaction, we really hope to see a spike on the graph."<<
43 posted on 04/15/2005 5:20:45 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: followerofchrist

Post 43 is for you too, by the way.


44 posted on 04/15/2005 5:21:34 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

See what I talking about? Vegans are ruthless killers and torturers all for mere nourishment.


45 posted on 04/15/2005 5:35:44 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ask about free shipping !)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Selfish bastards.


46 posted on 04/15/2005 5:42:04 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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Did I just say "sel-FISH". . . .oh, what a food pun.


47 posted on 04/15/2005 5:42:52 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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Hi- I see that you pinged me but for the life of me, I have no idea why. Can you explain?


48 posted on 04/15/2005 6:00:55 AM PDT by RushCrush (Blind Rushbot)
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Yes. I personally believe we were intended to eat meat, fish, vegetables, fruit, and some grains. So I eat those with a clear conscience. The vegans on the other hand are hypocrites. "Save the animals at the expense of the defenseless plants".
49 posted on 04/15/2005 6:09:31 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ask about free shipping !)
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"Hi- I see that you pinged me but for the life of me, I have no idea why. Can you explain?"
 
Just as a fellow member of the Viking Kitty Patrol. Your handle is usually included in the fun.
 
Thought we might be smelling O-Zone. LOL See posts 38-4?

50 posted on 04/15/2005 6:41:49 AM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (for a fee........I'm happy to be........Your BACKDOOR MAN!....Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!)
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