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THE RUINS OF HAVANA
The Real Cuba ^

Posted on 04/26/2005 4:20:32 PM PDT by Roland5

Once considered one of the most beautiful cities in the world, Havana is today a city in ruins. This is the Havana that the tourists don't see, because the tourists stay in compounds where Cubans are not allowed to enter, but this is the Havana where the real Cubans live! And in addition to destroying Havana, Castro's stupidity, cruelty and mismanagement has destroyed the entire Cuban nation! Thousands of deaths, over 2,000,000 exiles, 46 years without the most elemental freedoms, 46 years without being able to choose their leaders in a free election, 46 years of suffering and sacrifices to end up like this!

(Excerpt) Read more at therealcuba.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: beautifulcities; castro; cuba; havana; ruins
Cuba stopped developing 46 years ago and now lays in ruins. Visit link to see pictures.
1 posted on 04/26/2005 4:20:38 PM PDT by Roland5
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To: Roland5

Behold the power of socialism....NOT!


2 posted on 04/26/2005 4:21:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Roland5

Ah the wonders of Marxism.

Popular Bumper Sticker in Havana

"My Other Car is Also a Piece of Junk Made from the Parts Leftover after I built This One"


3 posted on 04/26/2005 4:22:45 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Roland5

But Chevy Chase after visiting Fidel Casshole said "Communism works".


4 posted on 04/26/2005 4:23:37 PM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US)
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To: Roland5

But, but, but...they have Universal Healthcare! [/idiot liberal]


5 posted on 04/26/2005 4:24:13 PM PDT by Simmy2.5 (DUmmies in mourning. World is a better place.)
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To: Roland5

Amazing photos. It looks rather like a tropical version of Detroit.


6 posted on 04/26/2005 4:24:38 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (UNC Tar Heels: NCAA Basketball Champions 1957/1982/1993/2005)
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To: Roland5
Looks like it was a great city in its heyday. Funny what commie dictators do for their countries.

Or maybe not so funny.

7 posted on 04/26/2005 4:25:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Roland5

A problem that takes only one sniper rifle and one bullet to solve.


8 posted on 04/26/2005 4:25:55 PM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
A problem that takes only one sniper rifle and one bullet to solve.

One guy cannot produce communism.
It's a communist country, not one man holding several million folks prisoner.

9 posted on 04/26/2005 4:29:50 PM PDT by humblegunner (We ain't subject to terror, but it's unwise to irritate us.)
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To: humblegunner
That's very true. There's an elite apparatus that controls the country and they live very well.

Cuba's communism is not very different from europe's form of government in feudal days. The main difference is that is has a political face. The concept is still the same.

When Castro dies, it won't make much difference unless the people decide to make it so. But they could make it so under his rule if they really wanted to.

10 posted on 04/26/2005 4:36:34 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Roland5

but they get a pound of chicken each, per month......free!


11 posted on 04/26/2005 4:37:00 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Roland5

Yep, things sure were horrible before 1959 - back when the opressive capitalist pigs and yanqui imperialists, and all the evil US companies, were still in Cuba. How liberating is was when Fidel cast all the fascists out, and opened the door to the glory that is now Cuba. /sarcasm.


12 posted on 04/26/2005 4:38:25 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Dog Gone
Looks like it was a great city in its heyday.

The web site has some magnificent pictures of Cuba 'B.C.'. It looks exotic, elegant, glamourous; a travel destination. Now it looks like a giant version of 'Starnesville' in Atlas Shrugged. Frightening to see what a poison like communism can do to a country. The same people, the same land, the same climate; but now purged of hope its very soul crushed.

13 posted on 04/26/2005 4:41:08 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Dog Gone
I wonder if there is something about tropical climes that makes a place more susceptible to communism. Take a globe and trace your finger around the equator. Virtually every country that crosses your path is a socialist hellhole. It's the strangest thing. It's as if perpetually warm weather fries your brain and makes you lazy.
14 posted on 04/26/2005 4:42:59 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Don't You Think This Outlaw Bit's Done Got Out Of Hand?)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
"But Chevy Chase after visiting Fidel Casshole said "Communism works"."

Anything works compared to Chevy Chase these days. Even those 50 year old Chevy Jalopies found in Communist Cuba.
15 posted on 04/26/2005 4:43:44 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: Roland5
--and soon to be duplicated in Venezuela--
16 posted on 04/26/2005 4:44:14 PM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: Roland5

But hey, Robert Redford, Steven Speilberg, and other Hollywood political crazies think Castro is a great guy!


17 posted on 04/26/2005 4:46:44 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: southernnorthcarolina

"Amazing photos. It looks rather like a tropical version of Detroit."

Come on. Detroit never looked that good.


18 posted on 04/26/2005 4:47:20 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: 6SJ7
I've always enjoyed the argument that this is somehow America's fault, or especially Bush's fault. It's not as if the rest of the world doesn't trade with them.

Venezuela's Hugo Chavez gives them oil at cut-rate prices. Canada's oil companies have a big presence in drilling offshore.

The lesson of communism is that it can't run a country effectively and that it's all about the oligarchy and not about the people.

Cuba's population should know that by now and their submissiveness is a big part of the problem.

19 posted on 04/26/2005 4:48:19 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Imaverygooddriver

When Chevy Chase plays a weak-minded fool, he's not acting.


20 posted on 04/26/2005 4:48:40 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly
"But hey, Robert Redford, Steven Speilberg, and other Hollywood political crazies think Castro is a great guy!"

It is not surprising when you consider what these two patriots think of Bush, or the average American since the November Election.
21 posted on 04/26/2005 4:50:26 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: Roland5
>>>>>>Cuba stopped developing 46 years ago and now lays in ruins. Visit link to see pictures.<<<<<

Actually, Cuba WAS a developed country, with GDP higher than Belgium or Italy.

All these American cars we see were bought NEW.

It really make one cry when think what Castro has done to this paradise. Two harvests a year and the most of the people are hungry, as if living in a desert. Food scraps from tourist resorts are considered a feast, in other countries it would be given to pigs. Cubans are wonderful people. Regardless of abject powerty, one can not see the malicious or sullen face expressions one could see behind the Iron Curtain in the 1970s and 1980s.

Castro may serve as an example for a dictator hopefuls elsewhere. Securing long term American embargo is key element of a successful dictatorship. Without U.S. embargo, dictator business is risky and doomed, as numerous examples show. Castro would be bludgeoned to death for the crimes he committed long ago.

22 posted on 04/26/2005 4:50:33 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Roland5

Once Castro's regime is over and Cuba is free, the MSM will show video of Havana crumbling and state: "This is what 40+ years of economic embargo did to a once proud and beautiful city"


23 posted on 04/26/2005 4:50:44 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The Republican Party is the France of politics--Lazamataz)
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To: SamAdams76
I think that might be a coincidence at the moment. The Soviet Union was never a tropical paradise, nor any of eastern europe. And that's where it started.

Chile elected Salvador Allende, a communist, and that's somewhere near the south pole.

But, perpetually warm weather does fry your brain and make you lazy. At least it has done so to me.

Hasn't caused any commie tendencies that I've noticed. Been called a nazi a few times lately, but not a commie.

24 posted on 04/26/2005 4:54:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Roland5

Think about it. Castro's/communism's control of Cuba, assured that the "retirement boom" would go to Fla. and not spill into the Caribbean area. Planned or an accident of planning? It kept a whole helava lot of $$$$ IN the US.!


25 posted on 04/26/2005 4:56:41 PM PDT by Waco
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To: dfwgator

Yeah but..the Canucks, Hanoi Jane, some Black Caucus members, the Euroweenies and the Hollyweirds love the place. How can they be so blind?


26 posted on 04/26/2005 4:57:55 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: humblegunner
Like in any of the previous communist satellites, East Germany, Poland, Chekoslovakia, etc. and now Venezuela, one group of elite control the country by the book, first they remove the guns so that the people can not revolt, they take control of the judicial power, take over all businesses, exile their professionals, bring in the poor from the country into the cities and gives them free housing and food; take the children from their parents and educate the children in Marxism and communism; setup neighborhood spies, so that no one can plan to go against the government, if they do they get thrown in jail or executed. That way they have full control of the country, and the people are scared to death. That is what goes on in Cuba. Therefore the dissidents in Cuba need our help.
27 posted on 04/26/2005 4:59:00 PM PDT by Roland5
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To: Dog Gone
it's all about the oligarchy and not about the people.

Funny, isn't it, how a system like communism pretends to be 'for the masses' but instead feeds the most self-centered grasping dictators. The more ruthless they are, the better the communist system works, for them. The 'masses' who they originally purported to serve, live on the edge of starvation. It is made more absurd in a place like Cuba where the land and climate should allow an abundance of food.

I'm sure most Cubans would like to see El Presidente gone; but without guns, without an open press, where even unauthorized meetings are forbidden; one lives as a slave.

28 posted on 04/26/2005 5:01:23 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Rebelbase
The sad but true thing is that every medium sized city in America has undergone a similar thing. The shopping centers and malls have taken the heart out of places like Idaho Falls, Salt Lake City, San Jose, Ogden, Sacramento and numerous others.

The National Register of Historic Places can do nothing to save our cities. So money has left our downtowns in much the same way. I was in Idaho Falls last week. Felt like Cuba.

29 posted on 04/26/2005 5:01:31 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Eat drugs until you die)
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To: Roland5
Therefore the dissidents in Cuba need our help.

And what specifically would your idea be of "help"?

30 posted on 04/26/2005 5:08:00 PM PDT by humblegunner (We ain't subject to terror, but it's unwise to irritate us.)
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To: humblegunner

The Cuban dissidents are going to try to challenge Castro on May 20, 2005 in Havana. Please sign in in their web site supporting their patriotic effort. Talk to your friends, congressmen, send a letter to your local newspaper. The more people that know about this the more difficult will be for Castro to execute them on sigth.
Visit the following sites for more info:
http://www.asambleasociedadcivilcuba.info/index.htm
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page11.htm


31 posted on 04/26/2005 5:20:05 PM PDT by Roland5
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To: Dog Gone

The Cubans with hope and souls and personal drive either left or were killed after Castro got the reins. Much like how the best of Europe left or was killed in the stupidity of euro-wars. Only the weak and sheepled remain.


32 posted on 04/26/2005 5:32:30 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero.)
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To: Simmy2.5

Cuba is Hillary's dream come true and is her vision for America should she get the chance. Let people be warned.


33 posted on 04/26/2005 5:36:57 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: iopscusa
Nevertheless, the masses were able to rise up in eastern europe and retake their countries. Mr. Gorbachev didn't "tear down this wall." They did.

Mr. Gorbachev did not execute Nicolae Ceaucescu of Romania; the citizens did.

If the citizens of Cuba do not risk death by confronting their government, they will continue to have the one they currently have, regardless of who is the titular head.

They can have King George III or they can have George Washington. It's their choice, and only they can make it.

34 posted on 04/26/2005 5:39:37 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Roland5

Thank you for your posts - those pictures and all that the Cuban people have suffered bring tears.


35 posted on 04/26/2005 5:40:51 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: SamAdams76
"It's the strangest thing. It's as if perpetually warm weather fries your brain and makes you lazy."

And it makes you brew monumentally bad beer, which Americans are often willing to pay ten bucks a six for. Never understood that.

36 posted on 04/26/2005 5:49:03 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Roland5
Impressive website. Thanks for link. I like the humor page.


37 posted on 04/26/2005 5:59:14 PM PDT by lizma
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To: Utah Binger

Are you crazy? Subsidized illegitimacy, crime and Democrats have driven the "heart" out of all these places. No one wants to live in a cesspool if they don't have to.


38 posted on 04/26/2005 6:01:34 PM PDT by Comus (talgine?)
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To: Utah Binger

Did you really look at those pictures of Cuba? How can you possibly say that any of the cities you mention look like that? I have spent plenty of time in downtown Salt Lake, it has some pretty good areas, it looks NOTHING like the squallor in those pictures.


39 posted on 04/26/2005 6:14:25 PM PDT by gogipper
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To: Rebelbase
"This is what 40+ years of economic embargo did to a once proud and beautiful city"

You can count on it and they'll never bring up the fact Canada, EU, Mexico, South America, China and I think Australia don't have an embargo.

Nor will they bring up the fact that foreign companies in Cuba do not pay the employees directly. The money goes to Castro and he doles out about 10%.

I also don't think they will mention Castro's net worth about 1.5 billion.

Those pictures are amazing. I've been in two communist countries. They were awful but not that awful.

40 posted on 04/26/2005 6:15:48 PM PDT by lizma
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To: Dog Gone

"...They can have King George III or they can have George Washington. It's their choice..."

Very well said.


41 posted on 04/26/2005 6:38:16 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: Dog Gone

Havana was quite a city at one time. I know missionaries who visit Cuba frequently. They say buildings collapse almost every day.


42 posted on 04/26/2005 6:41:02 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Simmy2.5
One of the greatest fallacies about the Cuban Revolution has to do with healthcare. Foreigners who visit Cuba, are fed the official line from Castro's propaganda machine: "All Cubans are now able to receive excellent healthcare, which is also free." But the truth is very different. Castro has built excellent health facilities for the use of foreigners, who pay with hard currency for those services. Argentinean soccer star Maradona, for example, has traveled several times to Cuba to receive treatment to combat his drug addiction. But Cubans are not even allowed to visit those facilities. Cubans who require medical attention must go to other hospitals, that lack the most minimum requirements needed to take care of their patients. In addition, most of these facilities are filthy and patients have to bring their own towels, bed sheets, pillows, or they would have to lay down on dirty bare mattresses stained with blood and other body fluids.

See pictures at

http://www.therealcuba.com/page3.htm

43 posted on 04/26/2005 7:40:16 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Roland5

Will someone please call Dan Rather, and tell him about these photos.

Dan will be so proud of this friend, Fidel, and how well he has taken care of this country and countrymen.



44 posted on 04/26/2005 7:43:37 PM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: DTA

btt


45 posted on 04/26/2005 8:14:39 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Dog Gone

Havana in 1958 before Castro. Posted by Hello
46 posted on 04/26/2005 9:25:37 PM PDT by captainrp
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To: Dog Gone
They can have King George III or they can have George Washington

Where is their modern-day Jose Marti?

47 posted on 04/27/2005 7:22:22 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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