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a certain apartment complex in Nassau County | 5/12/2005 | me

Posted on 05/12/2005 5:53:30 AM PDT by cyborg

I've frequented many illegal immigration threads, yet I've never participated in any serious activism. I'm not that political but I've had enough. I was driving down a main street and noticed a quite large ad for apartment renters in SPANISH ONLY. It really bothered me because I think it's discrimination as anyone who doesn't know spanish won't be able to read the sign. I wrote to the county EOC a very brief note asking what can be done. I do believe in property rights but with the history of racial red lining on Long Island that was as bad as legal segregation was in the South, I think someone had to say something.

Was I wrong for asking? It's mostly a symbolic move since I expect whoever to write me back saying it's their right.


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1 posted on 05/12/2005 5:53:30 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Spiff; NewRomeTacitus; HiJinx; B4Ranch; FITZ; JackelopeBreeder; Travis McGee; wardaddy

ping for your opinions


2 posted on 05/12/2005 5:54:24 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Bueno dias!


3 posted on 05/12/2005 5:55:17 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Some days it doesn't pay to chew through the straps.)
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To: cyborg

Learn Spanish.


4 posted on 05/12/2005 5:55:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I know spanish, but it should also be in english. Most signs are bilingual around here.


5 posted on 05/12/2005 5:56:25 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

:-)


6 posted on 05/12/2005 5:56:43 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
I was driving down a main street and noticed a quite large ad for apartment renters in SPANISH ONLY. It really bothered me because I think it's discrimination as anyone who doesn't know spanish won't be able to read the sign.

In Lawrence, Massachusetts, not too far from where I grew up, just about every store sign on the main drag is written in Spanish, not English.

7 posted on 05/12/2005 5:58:52 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: cyborg

I was in the grocery store yesterday & in the cheese aisle there was a display (I think it was put out by Kraft) of recipe booklets. I kept looking at them trying to figure out what they were for - it was all in Spanish, only a tiny line of English at the bottom. The rest was in Spanish - & this is in little old "hicktown" Kentucky. We don't have that many Spanish speaking people here.


8 posted on 05/12/2005 5:59:26 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I'm not alone then. I think it's ridiculous and it's in your face arrogance.


9 posted on 05/12/2005 6:00:51 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: alicewonders

I would expect that in a bodega. I am not bothered by spanish only signs when I go in a bodega because I know it's owned by spanish speaking people. However, a big apartment complex in a place with a lot of english speakers? Weird.


10 posted on 05/12/2005 6:02:34 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

I was in Miami on business a few years ago and thought I'd drive through "Little Havana" to see what it was like. I thought I'd accidentally crossed over into a bananna republic! Not one single thing was in English, not even the street signs.


11 posted on 05/12/2005 6:05:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: COBOL2Java

That's insane, but largely the government's fault.


12 posted on 05/12/2005 6:08:55 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Those bi-lingual signs are so tacky looking.

We have one out at Burke Lake that's in 16 languages. Tells folks about "deep water wear a vest".

13 posted on 05/12/2005 6:12:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cyborg

You know, I graduated from high school in the 70's & my high school counselors THEN told me to take Spanish because it would be spoken as much as English someday. I guess they were right.

It's a little rusty, but here goes - "Como esta usted?"

I guess I better start brushing up.


14 posted on 05/12/2005 6:12:35 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: alicewonders

Sounds like your teacher was right!


15 posted on 05/12/2005 6:13:47 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: COBOL2Java
Several years back we were driving through a really old Czech section in Chicago (on Cermac Avenue). I noticed that the last of the Czech signs had been removed and they'd finally flipped over to English.

Took over a century!

16 posted on 05/12/2005 6:14:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cyborg
Hace algunos días un juez gobernó contra ningunas licencias de conductores para los inmigrantes ilegales. Se espera que Bush firme la cuenta aprobada 100-0 por el senado en el favor igual.

¿Usted piensa cómo bien que el juez leería las muestras dejó reparto solo con la gente en su corte?

A mí me parece que están caminando en él otra vez.

17 posted on 05/12/2005 6:18:29 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (http://hour9.blogspot.com/)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost; cyborg

What? Long Island and Massachusetts? I thought only Border States had problems with large populations of Hispanics...


18 posted on 05/12/2005 6:19:09 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: cyborg

You know, I wouldn't mind it so bad if it were for a large contingent of Spanish speaking people that were here legitimately - but what really galls me is that most of this is directed at ILLEGAL aliens. There is a food company close to here & that is all they have working for them.

Something has to change before it's too late.


19 posted on 05/12/2005 6:20:57 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Whut?


20 posted on 05/12/2005 6:21:41 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: HiJinx

Oh yes... LI has a big problem with illegals. Google Farmingville and you'll see.


21 posted on 05/12/2005 6:22:05 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Sarcasm, cy! Ya think the Old Gray Lady will ever wake up to that?


22 posted on 05/12/2005 6:24:36 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: cyborg
Then you'd flip out in SoCal. We have Spanish only signs and billboards all over the place. I noticed at Christmastime some of the retail outlets were making announcements over the intercom in Spanish ONLY. Apparently they've given up on the English translation.

Welcome to our world.

23 posted on 05/12/2005 6:26:22 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: HiJinx
I thought only Border States had problems with large populations of Hispanics...

Nah. The old mill cities here in eastern Massachusetts, like Lowell, Haverhill, and Lawrence, have been havens for Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, etc., ever since I can remember (I've been here since the early '70s). And that they're here is not necessarily a problem. In my opinion, the Hispanic community is just like every other ethnic community to set its roots down in this area---you've got your bad individuals, sure, but the vast majority are just normal people trying to raise their kids and live the American version of the good life.

24 posted on 05/12/2005 6:37:44 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: HiJinx

Don't mind me. I knew you were being sarcastic. Snooze Day and the Slimes never talks about this except for when writing stories about 'undocumented' migrants.


25 posted on 05/12/2005 6:41:00 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Racist!!!!!!!!

:) HA! Have a great day, cy.


26 posted on 05/12/2005 6:41:37 AM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: truthkeeper

That happened to me yesterday at a Kohl's in Northern Virginia. An announcement in Spanish that they were hiring and to come on in to the office and fill out an application. I kept waiting for it to be announced in English, but it never happened.
Even when the employees get on the intercom and speak in English, I can't understand it because their accents are too thick. Sometimes I just ask the local immigrants to repeat something to me in Spanish because its actually easier to understand it in Spanish.
Brave new world.


27 posted on 05/12/2005 6:46:24 AM PDT by Wage Slave (All problems can be solved with duct tape or violence.)
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To: cyborg

There was an ad in our local paper last Tuesday, they were looking for a drilling Superintendent. One of the qualifiers was, must be fluent in Spanish.

My question is why?


28 posted on 05/12/2005 6:47:57 AM PDT by Graycliff ("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
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To: cyborg
They don wan' you no how, homie!


29 posted on 05/12/2005 6:52:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Graycliff

So he can communicate with his crew of illegal aliens.


30 posted on 05/12/2005 6:52:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: cyborg

Donde esta el bano?


31 posted on 05/12/2005 7:06:43 AM PDT by ctlpdad (There can be no triumph without loss, no victory without suffering and no freedom without sacrifice!)
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To: muawiyah
Learn Spanish.

Why should Americans have to assimilate to the culture of the invaders?

32 posted on 05/12/2005 7:10:49 AM PDT by ctlpdad (There can be no triumph without loss, no victory without suffering and no freedom without sacrifice!)
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To: ctlpdad
Why should Americans have to assimilate to the culture of the invaders?

You may want to bone up on the English Language and use words correctly when you write a sentence.

Assimilate: To absorb (immigrants or a culturally distinct group) into the prevailing culture.

For Example: "Mr. Gonzalez is working hard to assimilate into our culture as evidenced by his ability to speak English when he was telling me how much he would charge the cut the grass."

Acculturation: The modification of the culture of a group or individual as a result of contact with a different culture.

(This would be the process that North Americans experience as South and Central Americans migrate into the society.)

For Example: "The State of Texas has gone through a process of acculturation over the last twenty years as evidenced by native Texans adopting the language and traditions of Mexico."

33 posted on 05/12/2005 7:38:25 AM PDT by jsbankston
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To: jsbankston

Thanks for the grammar lesson. I did mean to write into instead of to.


34 posted on 05/12/2005 7:55:09 AM PDT by ctlpdad (There can be no triumph without loss, no victory without suffering and no freedom without sacrifice!)
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To: cyborg
"I'm watching you, Cyborg..."
VFOX
"...and I'm concerned about your resistance to assimilation.
The other "borgs" will tell you resistance is futile. Comprende'?"

Seriously, if it's private property there's nothing you can do about it unless you can find an ordinance in local codes against non-English signage or something along those lines.

Wear rubber gloves, check the wind and choose a time when the coast is clear before spray painting...er, your lawn furniture (yeah, that's the ticket).

35 posted on 05/12/2005 12:59:13 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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"What? Long Island and Massachusetts? I thought only Border States had problems with large populations of Hispanics..."

I was born and reared in Phoenix, but for awhile, I lived in metro Oklahoma City and Ponca City. In metro Oklahoma City in the early 1970's ,I was assistant director of a program that assisted American Indian and other minority people, as well as Anglos. I had a very difficult time trying to find Latino kids for the program. We finally had to settle for Spanish-surnamed kids who were essentially WASPS. Since those days, the Oklahoma City Catholic Diocise has established a Spanish-speaking ministry and you can sit in you car and see Latino people stroll by. Never happened when I lived there.

In Ponca City, when I was in high school, we had two Latino families in all of Kay County. Since then, they moved in a meat packing plant, and guess what.

I'm not saying these things are negative, but the fact is that Latino/Hispanic peoples are living in many, many once-essentially Anglo communities.


36 posted on 05/12/2005 1:07:51 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: cyborg
I totally agree with you and think you did the right thing!

I HATE the fact that everything in CA is in Spanish and a minimum of twelve Asian languages and dialects.

.and for the person who said LEARN SPANISH... I will NEVER learn Spanish. I live in the USA and we speak English (or some form of it) and I will fight for that - until the wind is out of my sails.
37 posted on 05/12/2005 1:12:10 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher ("You're my favorite Freeper. Ever" - Skooz 5/11/05 -- (Miss Behave agreed))
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To: Dashing Dasher

I used to speak spanish to the people because I wanted to keep my spanish fresh, now I don't speak it at all. I watch Univision and read the papers to keep it fresh. I've had only one person ask me to speak to them in english, a nice Mexican girl I worked with. She was pretty fluent within ONE year.


38 posted on 05/12/2005 1:14:18 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Remember, on Lawn Guyland, only blacks need not apply. At least that was the attitude among landlords until recently (and, judging from such signs, now as well).


39 posted on 05/12/2005 1:16:29 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: cyborg
When my family came her LEGALLY - they worked hard to learn the language and wanted desperately to be thought of as Americans.

If you want to be known as Mexicans first - then go to Mexico. If you want to be Americans, come here legally and assimilate.

That includes learning the language - and using it on a daily basis... It also includes teaching your kids ENGLISH so that when they go to school - they don't need ESL classes after living here all their lives.

40 posted on 05/12/2005 1:17:00 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher ("You're my favorite Freeper. Ever" - Skooz 5/11/05 -- (Miss Behave agreed))
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The situation you describe is just as true in any ethnic community. Whether its an Armenian, Chinese, Mexican, or Arabic community, you will see tons of signs not in English.

What the 'borg was referring to was the practice of ONLY advertising rental housing for a certain community, which is against FHA laws.

41 posted on 05/12/2005 1:18:17 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: Clemenza

yeah you're right


42 posted on 05/12/2005 1:18:46 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: righttackle44
I'm not saying these things are negative, but the fact is that Latino/Hispanic peoples are living in many, many once-essentially Anglo communities.

Been happening in the northeast since the 1940s with the first big wave of immigrants from PR. Hell, New York has been losing "Anglo communities" to "ethnic communities" since the 1840s. Even under Dutch rule, there were about 22 languages spoken in Manhattan.

This New Yorker shrugs off such changes as no big deal. I'm sure its a much different situation in the heartland.

43 posted on 05/12/2005 1:20:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: cyborg
Signs in English are so much more informative.


44 posted on 05/12/2005 1:21:26 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: cyborg

Quebec has "Language Police" that regulate the signs businesses put up in their windows.

Seems to me, a business owner has every right to provide services in whatever language he wants.


45 posted on 05/12/2005 1:24:06 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: HiJinx
When I was a kid on Long Island in the 80s, you had white towns, Jewish towns and black towns. When people talked about a "mixed community", they meant one like Massapequa, where Jews and Christians lived in equal numbers. My elementary school was 99% white (the other 1% being Asian), despite the fact that a substantial black community was but a mile away. Schools coincide with town boundaries on Long Island which is why it remains segregated, especially the more blue collar areas.

The only Latinos I knew when I went to school there were two kids from Argentina who were of Italian ancestry. Now, I understand there are large communities of Salvadorans and, to a lesser extent, Mexicans. They typically either live in the areas traditionally inhabited by blacks or in rental communities adjacent to affluent North Shore towns.

46 posted on 05/12/2005 1:26:05 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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I'm sorry...I really should have put in the sarcasm tag.

I've been following the issue long enough to know that this Hispanic wave of immigration has made itself felt nationwide.

Your reply shows me how pervasive it is on Lawn Guyland (!), which I did not know. Also, that it has been happening over at least one generation.


47 posted on 05/12/2005 1:39:44 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: Modernman

Why not bilingual signs? This is America, a predominantly english speaking country. This place where I live has seen the influx of illegals baloon in the short span of ten years. If it's not illegal then I'll leave the issue alone. However, advertising in spanish only is discriminatory and there are anti-discrimination laws in this country.


48 posted on 05/12/2005 1:40:12 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Why not bilingual signs?

A business decision, I guess.

If it's not illegal then I'll leave the issue alone.

Probably not illegal, unless the property owner refuses to rent to non-Spanish speaking whites or blacks.

However, advertising in spanish only is discriminatory and there are anti-discrimination laws in this country.

I actually can't think of any that would cover this situation.

49 posted on 05/12/2005 1:43:13 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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Just annoying though. Most every government sign is in english and spanish. This is a predominantly hispanic and black area, the white people would never move here in an appreciable numbers unless they're foreigners.


50 posted on 05/12/2005 1:45:22 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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