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Dr. Rice and the Sin of Subjugation
An American Expat in Southeast Asia ^ | 21 May 2005 | expatguy

Posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by expatguy

"The Basic Law provides that the Islamic holy book the Koran and the Sunna (tradition) of the Prophet Muhammad are the country's Constitution."

U.S. State Department - Saudi Arabia, 25 February 2004

This is not merely a book, nor simply an instrument of the faith for those of the Islamic faith that we as Americans have been asked to hold in high regard, but the Constitution of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Not only Saudi Arabia, the country of Afghanistan prior to their fall and several other countries even now including Iran's laws are based partially or fully according the Quran.

It is very difficult for many Americans and Westerners to fully comprehend that the precepts of the Quran were intended to be a sufficient code of law for all Muslims throughout the world. To Muslims the Quran is a sacred object held up in reverence, a code of laws not inspired by God as the Bible and the Talmud are, but in essence, they are believed by Muslims to be the very word of God. It therefore should go without saying that to all Muslims, the government, civilized society and the congregation of the faithful are all coextensive.

The very word "Islam" itself means "submission" and not peace. It should be therfore become painfully obvious that freedom and liberty, that very creed for which all Americans live by are in actuality the antagonist of Islam.

The disgraceful and treasonous comments by Dr. Condoleeza Rice now being shamefully displayed on State Department websites worlwide are indicative of just how sick and amoral our society has become that we would pander to resurgent militant Islam in the hopes of somehow propitiating our perpetually offended adversaries. Have we become so blinded by the fog of "political correctness" that as a nation that we have failed to recognize that the very concepts of multiculturalism and diversity are in actuality nothing more than a pernicious form of relativism that culminates ironically into a new form of intolerance. An intolerance to both freedom and democracy. We have seen this before in our history Dr. Rice, in 1939 it was know as fascism.

That eternal aphorism spoken by Franklin Delano Roosevelt rings just as true today as it did back then. "No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb."

We are Americans Dr. Rice. We are a free people and don't you ever forget that.

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1 posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: CHARLITE; Fred Nerks; USF; SJackson; MikeinIraq; Cornpone; MeekOneGOP; international american; ...

Pinging the Cool People.


2 posted on 05/21/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
3 posted on 05/21/2005 9:54:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: expatguy

So what did Condi say exactly?


4 posted on 05/21/2005 9:54:30 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: expatguy

cool people? nahh not me:)

What did she say exactly?


5 posted on 05/21/2005 10:01:57 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (I joined the EEEVVIILLLL Sam's Club on Friday, April 22nd, 2005.....)
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To: claudiustg
Mr. Chairman, before I begin my actual testimony, I want to speak directly to Muslims in America and throughout the world. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is abhorrent to us all.

There have been recent allegations about disrespect for the Holy Koran by interrogators at Guantanamo Bay and that has deeply offended many people. Our military authorities are investigating these allegations fully. If they are proven true, we will take appropriate action. Respect for the religious freedom of all individuals is one of the founding principles of the United States. The protection of a person's right to worship freely and without harassment is a principle that the government and the people of the United States take very seriously. Guaranteeing religious rights is of great personal importance to the President and to me.

During the past few days, we have heard from our Muslim friends around the world about their concerns on this matter. We understand and we share their concerns. Sadly, some people have lost their lives in violent demonstrations. I am asking that all our friends around the world reject incitement to violence by those who would mischaracterize our intentions.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee.

On Respect for the Holy Koran

6 posted on 05/21/2005 10:03:31 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: MikeinIraq

Cool people have PING lists ;-)


7 posted on 05/21/2005 10:04:51 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: TexKat

TexKat is also cool.


8 posted on 05/21/2005 10:06:47 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy
It is very difficult for many Americans and Westerners to fully comprehend that the precepts of the Quran were intended to be a sufficient code of law for all Muslims throughout the world, for all time.

The idiot prophet was illiterate. The "word of God" was put to paper by his assistant, who could write recipes, for all the prophet knew, and he would be blissfuly unaware.

The stupid "hadith" contains stories presumably about the prophet (sbuh), personally, which numbered into the "600,000 (!)", before al-Bukhari, (full name Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim bin al-Mughira al-Ja'fai), in the 9th century, "narrowed them down" to 7275, or 9,082, depending on whom you choose to believe. All by himself. So in essence we have to trust al-Bukhari, for having gotten it "right".

One gentleman, called Ibn Abi al-Awja, who was put to death in Iraq in 772, confessed before his executio to having made up more than four thousand of them!

My main point being that these perfect, inviolate words of "god", written by god himself eventually allowed 590,000 of the "sacred" Hadith stories to go missing.

Satanic verses, anyone?

9 posted on 05/21/2005 10:15:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: expatguy
Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States.

Dear Condi:

I have been an unqualified admirer of you as a person and as a leader --- until today.
Your public announcement is an unqualified, asinine statement.
As an American, I can disrespect any religion I choose, insult any politician I want, burn our flag, aid our enemies and supply enemies aid and comfort.

Perhaps you meant members of the president's cabinet, or a member of the armed forces, or the state department.

The United States will not allow?

Islam is a murderous cult of cockroaches, whose members are killers, murderers, rapists and worse, either directly or in support of the hundreds of thousands who actually commit the deeds worldwide daily.
I spit on them all. I sprinkle pork feces on them! I flush their comic book down the loo!

If you wish the FBI to come and drag me to Guantanamo for disrespecting, profaning and desecrating islam, I will be happy to supply all the necessary particulars...

Yours truly

10 posted on 05/21/2005 10:25:21 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: Publius6961

the old Testament was once considered national law too. Eventually it became a voluntary law of holiness.

Islam is submission, but to Allah. That is different from submission to any particular human who claims to be his mouthpiece or prophet.

There are several schools of interpretation of the Qu'ran and the Hadith. The Wahabi heresy is well funded, but attracts a very small minority of Muslims. Iran is Shi'ite, but the largest Muslim nation is Indonesia which has even had a female president.


11 posted on 05/21/2005 10:28:38 AM PDT by Donald Meaker (What matters is the amount of fight in the dog, not the size of the dog in the fight.)
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To: expatguy
Thanks for the ping expatguy.

Dear Dr. Rice,

Nuff said!!

12 posted on 05/21/2005 10:41:58 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: expatguy; MEG33; No Blue States; mystery-ak; boxerblues; Allegra; Eagle Eye; sdpatriot; Dog; ...

Dr. Rice and the Sin of Subjugation ping.


13 posted on 05/21/2005 12:11:24 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: expatguy

Maybe Condi needs for someone to send her a link to http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ or the entire Administration might do well to read The Life of Muhammad linked on my Page. These people are going to get us all killed. Islam is one of the world's three great religions is it? Well, I have news for you Condi, islam wants to become the greatest, and that means everyone one else has to die first.


14 posted on 05/21/2005 4:38:12 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Fred Nerks; expatguy
Well, I have news for you Condi, islam wants to become the greatest, and that means everyone one else has to die first.

Well said.

But... even IF that happened the bloodletting and murder would still go on as they continue to be obliged fight each other over what practices are deemed "shirk" or who is guilty of "bidah" or whose can accuse who of being an apostate and do a better job of oppressing or subjugating the rest of them for Allah.

Islam = Eternal and violence and death!

And were supposed to respect and make excuses for this intolerant ideology or the very texts that its founded on? Muslims, and the rest of the world, need to WAKE UP!

15 posted on 05/21/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Damien-OmenBoy; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; ariamne; Former Dodger; Cornpone; ...
Here we go again... *SIGH*

1. Christians are just as guilty for being murderous, villianous people.

Perhaps, but the crux of the issue is "Would they be following the example of Christ?

2. what you should be saying is: Fundamentalism = Eternal violence and death!

No, I stand by my statement. I see you're a newbie here... Perhaps you start by reading:

THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES!

...and then I'll be happy to fill you in with some more.

3. Jesus would not approve of whats become of this place, and it's no wonder he hasn't come back yet.

You've stated in your past posts that you're not a Christian, so what is your interest if someone that you do not appear to believe in comes back or not?

4. This world has learned nothing from him. It's just as bloody and angry and hateful as it was in his day.

Perhaps you feel that a child molesting, mass murdering, slave owning, war mongering, rapist called Muhammed, who was hell bent on territorial conquest, has nothing to do with promoting hate, blood letting or anger? Why do you see the need to defend:

a. Him

b. Those who seek to follow his example?

c. OR see the need to compare him to Christ?


17 posted on 05/21/2005 6:07:17 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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So, Get Lost...Zot.

18 posted on 05/21/2005 6:20:55 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: USF

Islam might be best described as the ultimate malignant virus; first it devours the culture medium, then the container, then itself.

Sunni must kill all the Shia, whom they state are beneath dogs and do not deserve to live. Islam wins, all 'infidels' are dead. The world will be the possession of the victor, the victor establishes the Caliphate. Then they fight over that! Muslims kill muslims. Then there will be Peace! Everybody dies...

All except the indigenous hillfolk in South America, the Kogi 'indians' who believe we will destroy each other and their mission is to help their 'little brothers'.

Tribes of the Amazon: http://www.crystalinks.com/amazontribes.html

Muslims are barbarians living in the 21st Century. There are natives wearing penis gourds and feathers in their hair in Papua with deeper spiritual values than are to be found in the entire toilet-paper koran. But the muslims are killing them as well:

AN INTRODUCTION TO THE GENOCIDE http://www.converge.org.nz/wpapua/human-rights.html

Dr. Kees Lagerberg reported that an estimated 300,000 people had disappeared without trace. This is an awful lot of people in anybody's language, but it is more horrific if one considers that the estimated population of the territory was about 700,000 in the early 1960, and about one million in the 1980's, when Dr. Lagerberg made the claim. Thus 30% of the population has simply vanished from the face of this earth. A small portion of this could be explained, the aerial bombardment claimed 80,000 lives, exile and refugees at its highest [ 1984-1985] totaled 13,000, known massacres 13,000, that totals roughly 106,000. So, where did the remainder go?

I believe that islam has been the death of more of mankind than the Black Death. And it's going on all over the planet as we sit here. Millions in the Sudan right now. How many in East Timor? How many in Papua? No one knows...


22 posted on 05/21/2005 6:29:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Damien-OmenBoy
You don't understand Damien-OmenBoy...this ain't a debating society. I have passed judgement on you...so go away.
23 posted on 05/21/2005 6:30:25 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: Damien-OmenBoy
Welcome Back Mr_Bovinity! Have Fun:)
26 posted on 05/21/2005 6:38:59 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: Damien-OmenBoy
"After all, Good and Evil are only viewpoints."

So that makes the Ten Commandments obsolete, frivolous nonsense I guess?
27 posted on 05/21/2005 6:47:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Damien-OmenBoy
Why you have totally ignored the questions in my previous post? As you seek to engage me in conversation, I would appreciate a reply to all the points I raised above before you raise further ones.

5. Did you read THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS?

Or WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES?

Any comments on the points raised there too?

After you have answered that, I would appreciate it if you can fell me in a Little more, re, your last reply:

6. Instead of doing that, he started a war that cannot be won, but only prolonged for as long as they want.

a. Who is "they?"

b. What proof do you have that "they" seek to prolong it for as long as "they" want. What is the end game for "they," what would yours be, how would it be different and how would you achieve it? Details please.

7. People that preach hate are all over this earth, it's not only Muslims, Christians are just as guilty....

I refer you again to point #1, and #4a, and #4b.

8. I believe God has many names. I believe we are all his children, and I believe what Jesus said about having no other fathers before God. God is in all of us.

And after noting your comment here,your chosen faith, and "version" of God would be?

9. Why preach the hatred and destruction of another group of people if you yourself proclaim you are Christian?

Ummmm.... now you've totally lost me. Chapter and verse please.

10. This world is violent, bloody, and it always will be as long as we argue over the name of God.

Which leads me back to my point.. I don't care if someone is Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Taoist, Agnostic whatever.. its an bigoted and intolerant ideology that we are at war with. Darul Harb... Darul Islam? Following the example of a warmongering and genocidal rapist ring any bells yet? Perhaps if I was a little clearer.. JIHAD?

29 posted on 05/21/2005 6:52:37 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Fred Nerks; Damien-OmenBoy
Excellent post Fred!

Now, Damien-OmenBoy (referring to Freds Post):

11. Do you see a problem yet?

31 posted on 05/21/2005 6:56:12 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Damien-OmenBoy
"After all, Good and Evil are only viewpoints."

Well, if that is the case then Jesus wouldn't mind coming back...after all he would only be a view point.

"Jesus would not approve of whats become of this place, and it's no wonder he hasn't come back yet. This world has learned nothing from him. It's just as bloody and angry and hateful as it was in his day."

Why would he not approve, "after all, Good and Evil are only viewpoints"?

32 posted on 05/21/2005 6:58:43 PM PDT by Chgogal
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To: Damien-OmenBoy; Fred Nerks
They feel like we are the "evil" ones. We in turn see them as "evil" ... but who's really the evil ones?

As you have not answered all my points above.. I would like to toss up a few words/phrases for you to consider for now:

"innocent civilians"

"target"

"intent"

"submission or death"

"dhimmitude"

"darul harb"

33 posted on 05/21/2005 7:02:25 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: USF

I think he's gone...


34 posted on 05/21/2005 7:05:12 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Damien-OmenBoy; Cornpone; Fred Nerks; Chgogal
Looks like someone just got a ZOT!

LOL... its been great tagging with y'all.

Many thanks to all of you. Great team work. ;o)

35 posted on 05/21/2005 7:07:09 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: USF

LOL, it's been a pleasure.


36 posted on 05/21/2005 7:08:50 PM PDT by Chgogal
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To: USF

Great work USF...Cornpone


37 posted on 05/21/2005 7:09:09 PM PDT by Cornpone
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Hey, we landed on that steaming pile of BSh*te like a hive of angry wasps and while he was still saying 'love one another' someone pulled the rug out from under him! It's a worry isn't it? How many others are out there like him, with about as much spine as a rotten jellyfish? Joined May 20, 2005, says he's not religious and suddenly he's best mates with You Know Who.

Fee fi fo fun - do I smell the blood of a mohammadun?


39 posted on 05/21/2005 7:21:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: sinister-six; USF; Chgogal

Thanks..


40 posted on 05/21/2005 7:21:51 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: sinister-six; Cornpone; USF

Your very second post on the day you joined...wonder how long you'll last. Sinister, we might never get to know you, what a waste. See comment 18. Read carefully.


42 posted on 05/21/2005 7:26:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Deja Vu? LOL!!

I think I've had Deja Vu before. I just don't know... it's only a feeling...


43 posted on 05/21/2005 7:30:43 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: sinister-six

"I'll tell you though, if you have something against spineless jellyfish, you might have a problem with You-Know-Who yourself as Jesus was the ultimate Pacisfist."

And I guess that means you'll be taking lots of copies of The New Testament to Saudi Arabia so that the islamist fanatics there can study the words of Jesus and learn how to be more pacific?




44 posted on 05/21/2005 7:32:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Another one bites the ZOT dust..
45 posted on 05/21/2005 7:33:55 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: USF

Funny... the very title of this post the "Sin of Subjugation"

sub·ju·gate Audio pronunciation of "subjugation" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sbj-gt)
tr.v. sub·ju·gat·ed, sub·ju·gat·ing, sub·ju·gates

1. To bring under control; conquer. See Synonyms at defeat.
2. To make subservient; enslave.

You all had better visit the priest, because you are all guilty.

hy·poc·ri·sy Audio pronunciation of "hypocrisy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies

1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.


This site makes it very easy to keep registering new accounts. It's less work for me to create a new account that it is to come back around and remove all my posts, and delete an account :)

You'll get to know me quite well, folks.


46 posted on 05/21/2005 7:34:27 PM PDT by son-of-man
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To: USF

Attack! Attack! Virus Attack!


47 posted on 05/21/2005 7:36:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: USF; Fred Nerks; Chgogal

Sheesh...Its Saturday and the night is still young:)


48 posted on 05/21/2005 7:37:54 PM PDT by Cornpone
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To: son-of-man
This site makes it very easy to keep registering new accounts. It's less work for me to create a new account that it is to come back around and remove all my posts, and delete an account :)

You're wrong, we can do all that with the push of one button.

49 posted on 05/21/2005 7:39:11 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Cornpone

I will not be lectured to by an antiChristian who adopts the name of a fictional version of the antiChrist.

That and he's ZOT.


50 posted on 05/21/2005 7:40:46 PM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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