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Dr. Rice and the Sin of Subjugation
An American Expat in Southeast Asia ^ | 21 May 2005 | expatguy

Posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by expatguy

"The Basic Law provides that the Islamic holy book the Koran and the Sunna (tradition) of the Prophet Muhammad are the country's Constitution."

U.S. State Department - Saudi Arabia, 25 February 2004

This is not merely a book, nor simply an instrument of the faith for those of the Islamic faith that we as Americans have been asked to hold in high regard, but the Constitution of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Not only Saudi Arabia, the country of Afghanistan prior to their fall and several other countries even now including Iran's laws are based partially or fully according the Quran.

It is very difficult for many Americans and Westerners to fully comprehend that the precepts of the Quran were intended to be a sufficient code of law for all Muslims throughout the world. To Muslims the Quran is a sacred object held up in reverence, a code of laws not inspired by God as the Bible and the Talmud are, but in essence, they are believed by Muslims to be the very word of God. It therefore should go without saying that to all Muslims, the government, civilized society and the congregation of the faithful are all coextensive.

The very word "Islam" itself means "submission" and not peace. It should be therfore become painfully obvious that freedom and liberty, that very creed for which all Americans live by are in actuality the antagonist of Islam.

The disgraceful and treasonous comments by Dr. Condoleeza Rice now being shamefully displayed on State Department websites worlwide are indicative of just how sick and amoral our society has become that we would pander to resurgent militant Islam in the hopes of somehow propitiating our perpetually offended adversaries. Have we become so blinded by the fog of "political correctness" that as a nation that we have failed to recognize that the very concepts of multiculturalism and diversity are in actuality nothing more than a pernicious form of relativism that culminates ironically into a new form of intolerance. An intolerance to both freedom and democracy. We have seen this before in our history Dr. Rice, in 1939 it was know as fascism.

That eternal aphorism spoken by Franklin Delano Roosevelt rings just as true today as it did back then. "No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb."

We are Americans Dr. Rice. We are a free people and don't you ever forget that.

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1 posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:15 AM PDT by expatguy
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To: CHARLITE; Fred Nerks; USF; SJackson; MikeinIraq; Cornpone; MeekOneGOP; international american; ...

Pinging the Cool People.


2 posted on 05/21/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy
Radical Islam is an insane murder cult; moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
3 posted on 05/21/2005 9:54:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: expatguy

So what did Condi say exactly?


4 posted on 05/21/2005 9:54:30 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: expatguy

cool people? nahh not me:)

What did she say exactly?


5 posted on 05/21/2005 10:01:57 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (I joined the EEEVVIILLLL Sam's Club on Friday, April 22nd, 2005.....)
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To: claudiustg
Mr. Chairman, before I begin my actual testimony, I want to speak directly to Muslims in America and throughout the world. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is abhorrent to us all.

There have been recent allegations about disrespect for the Holy Koran by interrogators at Guantanamo Bay and that has deeply offended many people. Our military authorities are investigating these allegations fully. If they are proven true, we will take appropriate action. Respect for the religious freedom of all individuals is one of the founding principles of the United States. The protection of a person's right to worship freely and without harassment is a principle that the government and the people of the United States take very seriously. Guaranteeing religious rights is of great personal importance to the President and to me.

During the past few days, we have heard from our Muslim friends around the world about their concerns on this matter. We understand and we share their concerns. Sadly, some people have lost their lives in violent demonstrations. I am asking that all our friends around the world reject incitement to violence by those who would mischaracterize our intentions.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee.

On Respect for the Holy Koran

6 posted on 05/21/2005 10:03:31 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: MikeinIraq

Cool people have PING lists ;-)


7 posted on 05/21/2005 10:04:51 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: TexKat

TexKat is also cool.


8 posted on 05/21/2005 10:06:47 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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It is very difficult for many Americans and Westerners to fully comprehend that the precepts of the Quran were intended to be a sufficient code of law for all Muslims throughout the world, for all time.

The idiot prophet was illiterate. The "word of God" was put to paper by his assistant, who could write recipes, for all the prophet knew, and he would be blissfuly unaware.

The stupid "hadith" contains stories presumably about the prophet (sbuh), personally, which numbered into the "600,000 (!)", before al-Bukhari, (full name Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim bin al-Mughira al-Ja'fai), in the 9th century, "narrowed them down" to 7275, or 9,082, depending on whom you choose to believe. All by himself. So in essence we have to trust al-Bukhari, for having gotten it "right".

One gentleman, called Ibn Abi al-Awja, who was put to death in Iraq in 772, confessed before his executio to having made up more than four thousand of them!

My main point being that these perfect, inviolate words of "god", written by god himself eventually allowed 590,000 of the "sacred" Hadith stories to go missing.

Satanic verses, anyone?

9 posted on 05/21/2005 10:15:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States.

Dear Condi:

I have been an unqualified admirer of you as a person and as a leader --- until today.
Your public announcement is an unqualified, asinine statement.
As an American, I can disrespect any religion I choose, insult any politician I want, burn our flag, aid our enemies and supply enemies aid and comfort.

Perhaps you meant members of the president's cabinet, or a member of the armed forces, or the state department.

The United States will not allow?

Islam is a murderous cult of cockroaches, whose members are killers, murderers, rapists and worse, either directly or in support of the hundreds of thousands who actually commit the deeds worldwide daily.
I spit on them all. I sprinkle pork feces on them! I flush their comic book down the loo!

If you wish the FBI to come and drag me to Guantanamo for disrespecting, profaning and desecrating islam, I will be happy to supply all the necessary particulars...

Yours truly

10 posted on 05/21/2005 10:25:21 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: Publius6961

the old Testament was once considered national law too. Eventually it became a voluntary law of holiness.

Islam is submission, but to Allah. That is different from submission to any particular human who claims to be his mouthpiece or prophet.

There are several schools of interpretation of the Qu'ran and the Hadith. The Wahabi heresy is well funded, but attracts a very small minority of Muslims. Iran is Shi'ite, but the largest Muslim nation is Indonesia which has even had a female president.


11 posted on 05/21/2005 10:28:38 AM PDT by Donald Meaker (What matters is the amount of fight in the dog, not the size of the dog in the fight.)
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To: expatguy
Thanks for the ping expatguy.

Dear Dr. Rice,

Nuff said!!

12 posted on 05/21/2005 10:41:58 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Dr. Rice and the Sin of Subjugation ping.


13 posted on 05/21/2005 12:11:24 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: expatguy

Maybe Condi needs for someone to send her a link to http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ or the entire Administration might do well to read The Life of Muhammad linked on my Page. These people are going to get us all killed. Islam is one of the world's three great religions is it? Well, I have news for you Condi, islam wants to become the greatest, and that means everyone one else has to die first.


14 posted on 05/21/2005 4:38:12 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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Well, I have news for you Condi, islam wants to become the greatest, and that means everyone one else has to die first.

Well said.

But... even IF that happened the bloodletting and murder would still go on as they continue to be obliged fight each other over what practices are deemed "shirk" or who is guilty of "bidah" or whose can accuse who of being an apostate and do a better job of oppressing or subjugating the rest of them for Allah.

Islam = Eternal and violence and death!

And were supposed to respect and make excuses for this intolerant ideology or the very texts that its founded on? Muslims, and the rest of the world, need to WAKE UP!

15 posted on 05/21/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Damien-OmenBoy; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; ariamne; Former Dodger; Cornpone; ...
Here we go again... *SIGH*

1. Christians are just as guilty for being murderous, villianous people.

Perhaps, but the crux of the issue is "Would they be following the example of Christ?

2. what you should be saying is: Fundamentalism = Eternal violence and death!

No, I stand by my statement. I see you're a newbie here... Perhaps you start by reading:

THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES!

...and then I'll be happy to fill you in with some more.

3. Jesus would not approve of whats become of this place, and it's no wonder he hasn't come back yet.

You've stated in your past posts that you're not a Christian, so what is your interest if someone that you do not appear to believe in comes back or not?

4. This world has learned nothing from him. It's just as bloody and angry and hateful as it was in his day.

Perhaps you feel that a child molesting, mass murdering, slave owning, war mongering, rapist called Muhammed, who was hell bent on territorial conquest, has nothing to do with promoting hate, blood letting or anger? Why do you see the need to defend:

a. Him

b. Those who seek to follow his example?

c. OR see the need to compare him to Christ?


17 posted on 05/21/2005 6:07:17 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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18 posted on 05/21/2005 6:20:55 PM PDT by Cornpone
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