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Libertarian talk radio surges in New Hampshire
Free State Project ^ | Me

Posted on 05/26/2005 3:25:46 PM PDT by Dada Orwell

Not sure how much to read into this...but in the 9 months since I moved to New Hampshire I've noticed a lot of changes in the talk radio culture, mostly positive for local freedom lovers.

When I first got here to Keene in late August '04, there was apparently only one local libertarian talk show in the state - Gardner Goldsmith's program airing 3-6PM weekdays on WGIR-AM. Now he airs an extra hour each day, and his signal reaches about half the homes in the state.

Southwestern New Hampshire's main radio station had no local libertarian show last year, but now libertarian Eric Scott is on from 10AM-11:30AM every weekday.

Free Talk Live, the syndicated show run by Free Staters was a nearly unknown Internet show when I moved here. Now it airs on two radio stations in New Hampshire and one in Mass; the Mass signal reaches southern NH. Though not technically a local show, Free Talk Live discusses New Hampshire issues on nearly every broadcast (six nights a week 8-10PM EST). These guys are hardcore libertarians and field a lot of calls from New Hampshire residents which air in about 10 markets around the nation.

During the same 9 month time period one major socialist show (Arnie Arneson's) has gone off the air in Concord...though it's still airing in the northern part of the state. The "Bureaucrat Doctor" show - where a local government physician answers questions - has been cut in half on WKBK in Keene. Other things have probably happened that I don't know about, but these are just the changes I'm aware of as a listener.

It's not clear to what extent this minor sea change is connected to the Free State Project (www.FreeStateProject.org), which selected New Hampshire as a target for libertarian migration about two years ago. So far about 150 liberty activists are thought to have moved here, with another 6,500 pledged to follow. This *has* had a disproportionate impact on call-ins to NH talk radio...with more and more freedom activists each "liberating" a few minutes a day on talk shows around the state.


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1 posted on 05/26/2005 3:25:48 PM PDT by Dada Orwell
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To: Dada Orwell

I would be a libertarian if it was not for their lack of patriotism and being for strong isolationism.


2 posted on 05/26/2005 3:30:06 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Details, details.....


3 posted on 05/26/2005 3:31:03 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Dada Orwell

bump


4 posted on 05/26/2005 3:32:38 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: Dada Orwell

bump


5 posted on 05/26/2005 3:32:48 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

...and their lax immigration platform. I feel the same way.


6 posted on 05/26/2005 3:34:03 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: Dada Orwell

I've really lost interest in what the Libertarians have to say following September 11th. They blew it, and in a big way. They no longer receive donations from me and will not unless they dump the isolationist refuse from their leadership.


7 posted on 05/26/2005 3:34:34 PM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35


Liberatarians are a fringe of the right.



8 posted on 05/26/2005 3:36:07 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (I will never again read another thing by Christopher Hitchens!)
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To: Dada Orwell
Neal Boortz is a libertarian, but they still have just a little too much tin hat in their repertoire.
9 posted on 05/26/2005 3:38:44 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

What do you mean, "strong isolationalism"?


10 posted on 05/26/2005 3:40:04 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: LauraleeBraswell
"Libertarians are a fringe of the right."

No, not really. Their agenda fits nicely on the left (open borders, drugs for everyone, George Soros' agenda.)

11 posted on 05/26/2005 3:44:57 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Dada Orwell

Who listens to WGIR between 3-6 PM? We're all listening to Howie Carr on WRKO.


12 posted on 05/26/2005 3:56:28 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: jess35; Chieftain

The Libertarians are more conservative on economics and freedom of the individual than the Republicans.Just look at the ludicrous scenarios of the Senate of late!

However, they are totally off base on defense of the country and other isolationist perspectives.
By the way NOBODY is taking a reality stand on illegal immigration! If the minutemen ran for Senate, they would have my vote!


13 posted on 05/26/2005 4:09:33 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: penowa; Chieftain

I agree their stands on illegal immigration & defense are ridiculous. However, if you look at other countries that are NOT fighting an absurd, counter productive and futile "war on drugs" they are doing pretty darned good. Amsterdam is not the debacle everyone predicts will happen if we legalize drugs. Actually, if you take out the Muslims, its a lot safer than LA, etc.


14 posted on 05/26/2005 4:13:41 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: penowa

No, not really. Personal responsibility is a big part of libertarianism. Something that is sorely lacking in both the democratic and republican parties. The l's aren't interested in micromanaging your life as long as you aren't depriving anyone of life, liberty or property through force or fraud.


15 posted on 05/26/2005 4:26:59 PM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35

Personal responsibility to keep those borders wide open and keep the dope flowing? Right!


16 posted on 05/26/2005 4:34:50 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa
Why don't you research their platform before spouting off? It makes you appear just a little more intelligent.

The premise behind open borders is that free people should be allowed to travel unencumbered. If it were not for our vast welfare state put into place by republicans and democrats, immigrants would have no reason to be here unless they wanted to legally work. We already have open borders. At least under a liberarian government, the people coming here wouldn't be freeloading at the expense of taxpayers.

17 posted on 05/26/2005 4:42:18 PM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35
I know what they stand for. Perhaps you would care to justify how it will be fine for most of the world to pour into this country just because they want to. Or maybe you can tell me how this would be a better place to live with drugs in vending machines available to all. When you answer those two questions then you can justify the the people who run the party hooking up with the Democrats and the Greens in Ohio after the last election.

There was a time not all that long ago (early 90's) when I thought perhaps the Libertarians had potential, but after doing some serious research I discovered what they really are as they pretend to wish to return the country to what it was founded on. The Libertarians IMO are nothing but an amoral bunch of lefties who don't want to admit to being Democrats.

18 posted on 05/26/2005 5:21:57 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. You are mistaken about immigration. The Republican policies supported by President Bush cause more problems immigrants than a libertarian policy would. Of course, you'll never admit that in a million years.

As for the drugs, let me ask you a question. If drugs were legalized tomorrow, would you suddenly become a crack addict?

19 posted on 05/26/2005 5:37:10 PM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35

No, I would not become a crack-head - it's not my drug of choice, but I'm sure I would be lining up at the vending machine for some dope to smoke and maybe something to shoot once in awhile. I have not touched a thing in 20 yrs. but if they legalize it, you're going to be amazed at how many people who used to have "drug problems" indulge again. I got very very straight because I could not afford to be arrested and lose my license to make a living, not because I didn't like it.


20 posted on 05/26/2005 5:59:19 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa



Marijuana needs to be legalized. Nothing else.


21 posted on 05/26/2005 6:31:02 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (I will never again read another thing by Christopher Hitchens!)
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To: penowa

Well, then your weakness is your personal problem. It's not my responsibility to keep you "straight".


22 posted on 05/26/2005 7:29:50 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Don't forget their willingness to have everyone throw away a vote in protests so the Democrats can gain power.

That is a favorite of mine about them.

The ones into their illegal drug lusts are a real hoot as well.


23 posted on 05/26/2005 7:32:59 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: jess35

If you're not suffering from "my weakness" then why do you think it is a wonderful idea to make drugs available to everybody? Those of us who grew up with values do not approve of drugs for everybody, prostitution, etc. Making the vices illegal makes people go against their conscience to indulge which means it is never as enjoyable as it would be if they were not breaking the law. Plus being arrested is a big deterrent for reasonable people. Why would you want to live in a society that approves of this stuff? We have enough problems as a society without adding things that are tickets to instant deterioration.


24 posted on 05/26/2005 7:52:46 PM PDT by penowa
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To: jess35
The l's aren't interested in micromanaging your life as long as you aren't depriving anyone of life, liberty or property through force or fraud.

Life snuffed out in the womb qualifies as deprivation. For that reason, as well as others articulated in this thread...libertarians are destined to be 1% or less.

25 posted on 05/26/2005 7:57:03 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: penowa
Your values dictate that you should stick your nose in the private lives of others and sniff around until you smell something you don't like. My values dictate that if you're not a threat to me or others, what you do is your own business.

Sorry, I hold the moral highground on this issue.

26 posted on 05/26/2005 8:05:39 PM PDT by jess35
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To: sayfer bullets

Oh, that's right...I forgot. The libertarians force women to have abortions. Well, thanks for clearing that up </sarcasm>


27 posted on 05/26/2005 8:06:25 PM PDT by jess35
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To: penowa; jess35; Chieftain

I have values too. Alcohol legalization has made fools out of those who support the "war on drugs". Alcohol is THE major drug problem we have in this country. It affects directly and indirectly millions more people than crack,etc. But we do nothing about making alcohol illegal. We tried that, it didn't work to keep people from abusing it or becomiming dependent on it. Moreover it created an underground of crime. There are many places where drugs are legal, but laws are enforced strictly for minors or for behaviors that are criminal of those under the influence. the example I have cited is that Amsterdam is a lot safer than Los Angeles or Atlanta and the use and/or abuse of drugs is the same, with much more opportunities for rehab due to not wasting money on policing drugs. We have REALLY gone off the deep end with filling our prisons with people who are no threat to society for relatively minor drug offenses, yet have out of proportionly long sentences.

Drug abuse and dependence requires treatment options that are sorely lacking because our taxes are spent foolishly on an unwinnable"war on drugs." Criminal behavior should be punished, but smoking marijuana is a personal moral and spiritual problem best left to spiritual, medical intervention.


28 posted on 05/26/2005 8:34:32 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: jess35
Oh, that's right...I forgot. The libertarians force women to have abortions.[????]

Certainly you can do better than that.

Engaging in rhetorical excess does not hide the truth. Libertarian "principles" of non-aggression become problematic if both child and mother get counted.

29 posted on 05/26/2005 8:35:07 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: sayfer bullets

Do you agree that abortion is a state issue...or do you want the mommy state to make the decision so the baby states don't get it "wrong"?


30 posted on 05/26/2005 10:47:36 PM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35
Your values dictate that you should stick your nose in the private lives of others and sniff around until you smell something you don't like.

The first rule of holes:

when you find yourself in one, stop digging.

31 posted on 05/26/2005 11:02:55 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I agree. People who are making wild charges based on emotion rather than fact, should stop digging. Pass it around, okay?


32 posted on 05/27/2005 9:52:24 AM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35
I agree. People who are making wild charges based on emotion rather than fact, should stop digging. Pass it around, okay?

Obviously jess is short for Jessica.

:o>

33 posted on 05/27/2005 6:54:17 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Lots of freepers think libertarianism is a leftist philosophy...so do a lot of leftists, idiotically. Truth is that it's closer to the classical liberalism of our forefathers than most of what's out there today.


34 posted on 05/27/2005 7:00:40 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: jess35
Do you agree that abortion is a state issue...or do you want the mommy state to make the decision so the baby states don't get it "wrong"?

Prior to Roe V Wade, it WAS a state issue. Now it is not. Personally I am comfortable with it being either a state's rights option, or as the executive branch's responsibility. With the former, the morality better confronts the populace head-on. The market would choose, and the economy choosing death would suffer disproportionately. The latter may be correct still, but would be additionally divisive.

Do you believe in what you say you stand for? Or do you qualify life's value? Would you support the states which surrounded your own if they outlawed them? Interesting choice of words, by the way..."mommy" state.

You see, it takes digging much deeper than emotion to solve the true problem. Is it a person or not? Was Scott Peterson guilty of two murders? Or just one? If it's wrong for him, or any other man, to kill an unborn child...what makes it right for the mother to do so? Because SHE chooses to?

Situational ethics... Not what I thought the libertarian cause was about. I notice you did not address the conflict about libertarian "non-aggression" on this issue. Why?

35 posted on 05/29/2005 10:09:33 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: Sam Cree
Lots of freepers think libertarianism is a leftist philosophy...so do a lot of leftists, idiotically. Truth is that it's closer to the classical liberalism of our forefathers than most of what's out there today.

William Wallace probably thought something like this about the Nobles. It's not enough to define the larger body absent a moral character. Not caring about that political spectrum is no different than just leaving the gates open and turning your head... same results.

36 posted on 05/29/2005 10:25:38 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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To: jess35
I've really lost interest in what the Libertarians have to say following September 11th. They blew it, and in a big way. They no longer receive donations from me and will not unless they dump the isolationist refuse from their leadership.

I knew they were political idiots long before that from my home USENET group, pgh.opinion. They are good people, have some good ideas, but seriously misguided. They also to a "t" have the inability to admit they were ever wrong about ANYTHING.

One good thing I have noticed is that more of them are against abortion because of that "initiation of violence" thing. Maybe they will change that in the party platform soon.

37 posted on 05/29/2005 10:30:10 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
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To: jess35
As for the drugs, let me ask you a question. If drugs were legalized tomorrow, would you suddenly become a crack addict?

It's better to ask yourself if you would be comfortable with a crack house opening up next door to your home and family.

38 posted on 05/29/2005 10:32:28 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
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To: sayfer bullets
"Lots of freepers think libertarianism is a leftist philosophy...so do a lot of leftists, idiotically. Truth is that it's closer to the classical liberalism of our forefathers than most of what's out there today."

" William Wallace probably thought something like this about the Nobles. It's not enough to define the larger body absent a moral character. Not caring about that political spectrum is no different than just leaving the gates open and turning your head... same results.

What do you even mean by that? That William Wallace thought that nobles were leftists or that he left the gates open and turned his head?

Right now your reply doesn't seem to even address my post. On reading some of your posts on this thread, I notice mostly references to abortion, which I have not addressed at all. I couldn't say what the Libertarian Party's position is on it, but, IMO, it doesn't follow that small L libertarianism favors it. Quite the contrary even.

39 posted on 05/30/2005 7:04:24 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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What do you even mean by that? That William Wallace thought that nobles were leftists or that he left the gates open and turned his head?

Neither. You are reading too literally. Wallace trusted men who's principles he thought matched his when in truth they did not. They only agreed in-part and up-to-a-point.

My point (Wallace was a reference, not the point) was that one may think his allies are his allies, when in truth their agendas are only temporarily or partially aligned. My point about turning one's head could be applied to anyone. And again, "turning one's head" just means intentional impartiality or negligence. A neo-conservative (and most Senators) may betray the classic freedoms championed by the libertarian thinker at risk to all. A libertarian may betray the social conservative, who he otherwise aligns with. Inaction or indifference alone is enough and it allows the enemy to win and advance on all fronts.

It is untrue to claim libertarianISM is overtly leftist, although one could fairly argue that the indifference or anti-conservatism on some issues opens the door for liberalism...enabling it's success. It is equally untrue to claim libertarianism as any "true" or classic foundation of this country absent recognition of providence, and an assumed moral basis. If the only thing required,for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing, then morality based upon individual choice is indeed problematic.

That the social liberal or social conservative can equally claim to be libertarian if they wish...is the basis for my assertion that the party will always be less than 1%. It's not a slap. It's just simple fact. The potential voting pool can easily be divided on social issues alone.

Right now your reply doesn't seem to even address my post.

It might be because I was addressing another poster.

On reading some of your posts on this thread, I notice mostly references to abortion, which I have not addressed at all. I couldn't say what the Libertarian Party's position is on it, but, IMO, it doesn't follow that small L libertarianism favors it. Quite the contrary even.

That might be a conversation worth having, but I believe the party is pro-choice. My exchange with the pro-abortion libertarian arose because he/she claimed anything one does (I think it was an anti-drug-war point) is "OK" as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. I may have inserted abortion into the conversation, but it was cogent. For the pro-abort libertarian I see integrity problems. That's all. If you look again at those posts you will see that I take issue primarily with the extent to which the person carries his own standard.

Fregards,

sb

40 posted on 05/31/2005 8:54:35 PM PDT by sayfer bullets
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