Posted on 06/07/2005 6:15:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
I CAN’T BEEEEELEEEEVE! I CAN’T BEEEEELEEEEVE! I CAN’T BEEEEELEEEEVE at this late date that the DUmmies have yet ANOTHER “I BEEEELEEEVE” THREAD going in DUmmieland. As you may remember, DUmmie Doohickie started several “I BELIEVE” threads following last November’s election in which he and others expressed their FERVENT belief that John Kerry would be inaugurated on Jan. 20. This series of threads continued until about he middle of January when even DUmmie Doohickie was bowled over by harsh reality. So now it is almost 6 months since Inauguration Day and we have ANOTHER “I BEEELEEEVE” thread. So are they trying to create their own reality of going back in a time machine and from that point creating a new reality of Kerry being inaugurated? No. The new “I BEEELEEEVE” theme eschews any specificity whatever in favor of a general feel-good theme along the lines of “I BEEELEEEVE the Baddies will be driven from power and then good stuff gotta happen.” I BEEELEEEVE the DUmmie yearnings are in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, hardly BELIEVING that the DUmmies are willing to make themselves such laughingstocks again, is in the [brackets]:
I Believe.
[We know, DUmmie bleever, and we look forward to your comedy act. Continue your shtick…]
I believe a few things are true at this moment in history.
[Start the drum roll for the punchlines…]
First, that the theft of the election of 2004 continues to grow more evident and obvious, and that the grand forces of history are joined with the energy of a great many passionate Americans who won’t rest under the rotten mantle that has settled upon us.
[I think you have been watching too many old campy monster Japanese movies with the theme of radioactive creatures… “Day by day, grand forces of history have joined with radioactive energy that won’t rest under the rotten mantle of the earth to form a race of tiny DUmmies.”]
Second, that the anti-democratic forces that have managed to gain a grip on the three branches of our federal government, intimidate the press out of being the watchdogs they have historically been, and who brought us to war on the basis of lies and their ability to game all the national and international systems, have made a fatal error. They have underestimated the decency of Americans.
[Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Same theme. Anti-Democratic forces took over the country but they underestimated the decency of Americans AND the power of Buck Rogers.]
You can’t really blame them; they themselves don’t possess that decency.
[Because the EVIL Republicans are Morlocks---“The Time Machine.”]
The decency to say that any system that allows innocent people to be tortured to death, because of our suffering and fear, is not what we stand for.
[We can’t help it. The Democrat Eloi just meekly line up at the sound of the whistle to enter the underground Morlock caverns.]
The decency to see the wisdom of the way the U.S. Constitution apportions the power to send American men and women onto the battlefield of war.
The decency to actually believe that it should be the decision of the people, through their votes, to choose their government.
[I regret to inform you, DUmmie bleever, that your high school paper is only going to get a grade of “D” due to it’s utter lack of constitutional knowledge plus not having the slightest bit of specificity whatever.]
And as surely as I know that they would effectively destroy the two-party system, I know and believe that they are failing. Because they don’t understand the decency of America and what it really stands for, and really thrives on.
[You get a coupon discount to Disney World every time you write “decency.”]
Americans don’t roll over. Not for terrorists. And not for those who think that they can wrest the miracle of representative democracy from the people of this nation. Go ahead: read Machiavelli. Study all the greatest bosses, kaisers, caesers, emperors, and consolidators of power. Do your best. One problem: power resides in the people. If you try to gather it all unto yourself, it’s going to spill back out.
[Why does one get the feeling that not only has DUmmie bleever NOT read Machiavelli but almost no history whatever?]
The months since the election have been abundant with fruit for everyone who, seeing the election stolen, breathed deep, got mad, and knew that justice would eventually prevail.
[Maybe Mighty Mouse will show up. HERE HE COMES TO SAVE THE DAY!!!]
I Believe.
[I Believe that John Kerry will be inaugurated on Jan. 20. Ooops! That didn’t work out. Now I Believe in just that the bad guys are gonna have, like, bad stuff happen to them and, like, things are gonna be good for the good guys, you know?]
This is a sight for sore eyes. I Believe, bleev. Never Give Up.
[This certainly is a sight for sore eyes. The “I Believe” comedy routine has been RESURRECTED!]
I believe in the eventual triumph of love, light and goodness!
[…and goody gumdrops!]
I believe...in the accuracy of the 2004 state and national exit polls over the "official results" of the unrecountable black boxes and the Karl Rove exit polls.
[I believe that exit polls results should determine the winners rather than just mere actual voting results.]
I believe that if there is anything worth fighting for in this time in which we live, it is GETTING OUR DEMOCRACY BACK. There are a hundred ways to do it, or more, and Election Reform is one of the most important.
[I believe we need to make exit polls the OFFICIAL results for the elections and eliminate actual voting altogether.]
I believe! I do! I do! I do!
[Close your eyes tight, Dorothy, lean back, click your heels together, and repeat after me three times: “There’s no place like home! There’s no place like home! There’s no place like home!”]
I believe that humans can transcend the artificial limits set by fear. I believe, I believe, I believe!
[I believe that humans can enter a space/time continuum wormhole and rematerialize in another galaxy. I believe, I believe, I believe!]
I believe truth will triumph.
[I believe truth will triumph and Andy Stephenson will be indicted for fraud.]
I believe flying monkeys really hate it when they see us believin' So, guess what, monkeys? I BELIEVE! Why does it scare them so much, I wonder, that we believe? Why are the sore winners so afraid?
[I believe you’ve been spanking your flying monkey so much that you actually believe you are making folks scared of you.]
We believe that the Constitution was put in place for a reason. We believe that every citizen's right to vote is sacred and must be protected. We believe that no person is above the law, no matter how charismatic (or not) they may appear. We believe that treason is treason, no matter what political party is in power. We believe that we have been called to protect the freedoms that we have come to enjoy. We will not fail in this noble calling. We will Never Give Up. I Believe
[We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.]
I Believe. I still believe all of it.
[Any BS you feed me---I still believe all of it.]
I believe too. You are right bleever, they underestimated us. A dangerous error on their part. I believe the time of reckoning is at hand. The truth will always find it's way out of the darkness and into the light. Never Giving Up.
[The EVIL Republicans fatal error---underestimating DUmmie Denese. The time of (play a foreboding tune) RECKONING is at hand!]
I believe KERRYS BACK ! GO GET THEM JOHN!
[I believe John Kerry will be inaugurated on Jan. 20. YEEEEHAW!]
I believe that the perfect storm might be brewing, and Monday could be a very interesting day!
[A Perfect Rovian Storm. NEWSFLASH! Monday already came and went and John Kerry was MIA…as usual.]
Everything in Life is timing. He's an "old" enough Soul to patiently await the right time...NOW.
[Maybe I underestimated Kerry. Is he going to wait to be inaugurated on Jan. 21?]
There be hope, Mates, I Believe we are not so all alone. And I do Believe this thread has picked me up!
[When nothing else is working for you, perhaps an utterly meaningless DUmmie thread will do the trick.]
I believe in the strength , will and ability of this community to succeed in whatever we take on together.
[Well, DUmmie sfexpat2000, you successfully conned the gullible DUmmies to the tune of $50,000 for Scamdy and I BEEEELEEEEVE you could do it again.]
I believe that it's actually getting easier to believe that justice for the theft of the 2004 election will surely come. At first, it was a matter of faith for many of us. Faith generated action and conversation. Action and conversation, through persistance, generated more action and conversation. And to an anti-democratic cabal that seeks to control the system, and thwart anything resembling checks and balances (the root of the genius of our founders), action and conversation are poison. They count on us shutting up, moving on, and not making waves.
[And faith generated action and conversation. Then it generated more action and conversation followed by meaningless blah-blah which generated persistent fatigue followed by deep sleep. When I wake up I BEEELEEEVE John Kerry will be President!]
The "I Believe" archives. Five earlier threads, starting with Doohickie's first one, started just a few days after the stolen election. These five "I Believe" threads had a total of 1985 responses. And with the latest thread, we've passed the 2000 mark. It makes me very proud to be a part of this, and to know you all.
[It makes me VERY PROUD, DUmmie bleever, to know you are continuing these utterly meaningless “I Believe” threads. Let’s get together again at your “I Believe XXVI” thread in January 2009.]
Of course, I BELIEVE. I believe in righteousness and justice. Sooner or later, these will catch up to the shrub. I am Doohickie, and I approve this message.
[I am Doohickie, making a cameo appearance, and I approve the unclear message of this latest completely meaningless “I Believe” thread which I started last year.]
Wow! that was fast. Thanks a million!
So if it is going to cost me a bundle to Podcast, I don't see the point of it.
"There are reports that Black Box Voting has raised anywhere from $300,000 to upwards of $1 million to date. Bev Harris has never provided an accounting of the money....In the seven months since the election, however, Black Box Voting has posted almost nothing in the way of any documents obtained -- not even so much as a list of what was obtained -- and has produced no actual election audits whatsoever.
The disconnect is stunning. It is like being in an episode of the Twilight Zone.
I was just wondering if there has been any effort made to expose the fraud in the governers race in Washington state or in the presidential elections in the states where John Kerry won by a much slimmer margin or what about the facts of tire slashing etc to keep Republicans from getting to the polls. Hey, if we are going to expose fraud, lets make it fair.
Black Box Voting tends to focus on investigating procedures, rather than taking up for specific candidates, and we like to choose procedural issues to investigate that indicate systemic problems That being said, Washington has two counties that qualify and are at the top of the list for us.
Snohomish and King County, Washington:
The problems in these two jurisdictions are very different, but both represent systemic concerns (i.e., the identical concern is popping up elsewhere in the U.S.) and therefore, we are spending a significant amount of time on each. Our work is continuing on both counties.
Snohomish County problems center around a problematic audit. I have met with the county auditor to go over the problems, and we have also now found identical problems in another location with the same voting system -- specifically, we have found tens of thousands of votes afflicted with an error which seems to appear only on election day.
We have not (yet) been allowed to try to replicate that error on those machines, so we don't know the effect it is having on the election. In one Florida county, this same error appears connected to 80,000 votes. The counties we have found this in so far are Dem counties, but that doesn't mean the error favors Dems. We cannot yet tell which party or candidate would have benefited if this error was flipping votes.
King County has different problems, very systemic and very indicative of serious problems with the election elsewhere in the U.S.
King County uses the Diebold optical scan system, a system which has a mind-bogglingly easy manipulation feature designed into it. The Diebold optical scan system that we tested can be manipulated in a way that will pass all ordinary canvassing (audit) procedures. Only a 100 percent hand count can catch memory card manipulation on the Diebold optical scan.
Now, as to what that would have to do with Rossi: There are three basic checks and balances on the Diebold optical scan system, which counted 1 million votes in Washington:
1. ballots
2. poll tapes (reports from individual ballot scanner machines)
3. tabulator report (report from accumulator of all machines)
All three should match.
The testing we did in Florida falsified #2 and #3 without showing up on any logs:
1. ballots2. poll tapes
3. tabulator report
That leaves only hand counted ballots. When it comes to authenticating an election with a 100 percent hand count, it is all about chain of custody of the ballots. If ballots can be substituted, disappeared, or added, it's all over for using a hand count to authenticate the election.
Of course, in King County, ballots were added not once, not twice, but FOUR TIMES. Hand count credibility? Buh-Bye!
But it gets worse. We have obtained documents showing that the "spoilage" rate for the ballot printer King County uses is a whopping 25 percent. That means the printer budgets for printing 25 percent more ballots than needed.
In the case of King County, the ballot printer has a history of close ties with the county elections office (at one time, the owner of the ballot printer worked in an office in the county elections office!). The printer is just a few miles up the road.
King County is required to account for its ballots (though we know that they did not do adequate accounting -- see SoundPolitics.com research). But what most people are forgetting is this: There is NO REQUIREMENT for the ballot printer to account for all the extra ballots it prints.
King County has yet another problem, and that is defiance of public records laws. When we examined the logs for the Sept. 14 primary, we found that 3 hours was DELETED from the internal computer logs, which track the events that happen on the tabulator. When we asked for logs from Nov. 2, we were stalled -- then told they had destroyed one of the logs, and another log they gave us was the wrong thing.
When we asked for all iterations of ALL the logs, they just said "you don't want them." That answer makes me very suspicious. They still have not provided the logs.
Though we were able to circumvent ALL logs and cross-checks when we test-hacked the Leon County Diebold optical scan system, there is a possibility that King County may have left indicators in its logs. I believe this because their deletions and substitutions are so clumsy.
As for Rossi, we did notify the Rossi team of the problems we were finding with the optical scan, showing how it could be easily fraudulently manipulated, and where to find the evidence. We were told that they were not allowed to present any new evidence by that point (we notified them as soon as we discovered the problem, and BEFORE we even went to Leon County to demonstrate proof of concept).
As for tire slashings, that is not systemic enough to get to the top of the priority list. Vote suppression tactics are a real problem. However, we are a small organization -- we're just two 50-year old women investigating, with a temp working the office, and seven volunteers as board members. We have to choose which things to go after.
Tire slashings? Probably not. States where Kerry won by a small margin? I never pay attention to who won or by what margin. We have 22 months (that's the time period that records are held on federal races). Other states that interest me very much, which would qualify as "blue" states, are Minnesota and (for the primary especially) New Hampshire. We have a number of other locations working their way up the priority list, but I actually have no idea whether they favored Dems or Republicans.
I agree that vote fraud investigations should be conducted on anomalies regardless of which party is favored in the election. I also think that Washington State -- at least, King County -- has indications consistent with Democratic election manipulation. We will persist in investigating what happened on Nov. 2 in King County, regardless of any candidate outcome or court decision.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Bev Harris
In seven months since the 2000 election, Judicial Watch posted almost nothing on the hand count of the ballots in Florida -- not even a list of which counties they had hand counted so far, and they had produced no actual hand count results.
They completed their work in September 2001.
Most people who post this stuff never actually look at anything on the Black Box Voting web site, nor do they bother to look up accounts in the mainstream press. The press often covers it when we pick up documents, and/or litigate for them.
Black Box Voting sent FOIA requests out to 3,000 counties. That stopped clocks, effectively blocking them from destroying certain documents. We then targeted which counties to obtain complete record sets from, and we have been buying audit records ever since.
We aren't done yet. Like litigation (which we sometimes have to do to get the records), we deal with frequent stalls, nonresponsive replies, nonreplies, and sometimes refusal to turn over the records at all.
Now, once we do get sets of records, there are very good reasons to delay publication of audits until other tasks are completed. Here are three of them:
1) Volusia County audit documents (most of which were obtained and paid for by Black Box Voting) were in Volusia County being used for a nonpartisan court case to set aside the election. That case was finally adjudicated a few weeks ago.
There is a whole satchel of records which we now have to retrieve, scan and post. We've been working with Susan Pynchon, of Florida Fair Elections Coalition, sharing records for pending Volusia County actions, which included this: On Monday, Volusia County board members nixed a contract for new Diebold touch-screens.
2) Snohomish County audit documents revealed a problem. We had to litigate to get Palm Beach county documents, on a voting machine system that matches the Snohomish system. We withheld results of the Snohomish audit (except that we met privately with the elections official there). We waited until we got the Palm Beach records, to see if they had a matching error.
We received the Palm Beach records (seven boxes, plus two computer disks) a couple weeks ago and are in the process of scanning them to put them online. Yes, Palm Beach records show the same error as Snohomish, affecting about 11 percent of the votes.
We have ordered a third county's records with the same voting system as Snohomish and Palm Beach. We are working on finding a location that will allow us to test its machines to replicate the log error, to find out whether the error resulted in miscounted votes.
A fourth county with the same voting system is being prepared for litigation, and we've been meeting with the right people to engage in the litigation as effectively as possible.
The audit logs for the above voting system are manipulatable. Most county officials don't understand their own audit logs. It's not a very good idea, therefore, to shine a big fat red light on the problem area, before you get the records you want from ALL the target counties.
3) The Diebold logs end up centering on two key sets of records: poll tapes and tabulator reports. Counties told us that if those two items match, the ballots don't matter. We therefore stepped up research to find out just how manipulatable the combination polltape/tabulator reports are. We proved on May 26 that the two key records are so easily manipulated that using them for a definitive audit is pointless.
As that research concludes, we'll be going back through the Diebold records (and probably litigating for access to the memory cards themselves) so we can find out, on a system that was "open for business" just how brisk business really was.
By the way, most counties did not respond until after recount and contest periods had expired -- usually in December. We posted a selection of the fees charged for the FOIA requests in December. The fees ranged from "That'll be about a dollah" (a small cooperative Florida county) to "$125,000 just to look around, no guarantees we'll find anything, pay half up front please" (Michigan).
I'll see if we can post the receipts for the records purchases along with each jurisdictions records. Most were not paid until recently, when we finally got the records -- some have not yet been paid, because we are still arguing with officials to get what we want.
Bev
After googling the possibility of embedded code in the diebold machines, every article on the net with this accusation has her name on it somewhere. It is all supposition. I would think if there were any truth to it every DemonRat with any 'puter experience at all would get involved. After close to a year of the first time she made this accusation, she is the only one doing any research. That sure makes it look like a tin foil hat, left wing, moon bat, piece of propaganda to me.Your grasp of facts is not impressive. The code is not "government code." It is claimed to be owned by a corporation. However, that is not the code we used to hack the system. (Which should be even more disturbing -- any ol' person can write their own program and stick it in place of the voting machine program. Nice.)
After researching it, I found she has been "working on this report" for better than a year.
Post link. "This report" is ambiguous. We post many reports. We are working on THIS report, meaning the one regarding the memory card hack of the Diebold optical scan machine (which is different from the central tabulator hack, and the one we did in Leon County is a different central tabulator hack than we did a year ago -- yes, these machines are as full of holes as swiss cheese...)
After googling the possibility of embedded code in the diebold machines, every article on the net with this accusation has her name on it somewhere.
Well, that's progress. At least now we are being credited for our research.
It is all supposition.
The Leon County Election Supervisor corroborated the report on the Leon County Web site. So now it is Black Box Voting (Bev Harris and Kathleen Wynne) AND the documentary film guy AND professor Herbert Thompson AND European computer expert Harri Hursti AND Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, all conspiring to make up a story. Sounds like you are a conspiracy theorist.
I would think if there were any truth to it every DemonRat with any 'puter experience at all would get involved.
As pointed out in the story, the system we hacked is especially popular in democratic jurisdictions.
After close to a year of the first time she made this accusation, she is the only one doing any research.
"This accusation" -- you are mixing your accusations. We are talking about specific hacks, in this case an optical scan memory card hack, which is new. By the way, the central tabulator hack you are referring to was published by me two years ago, not "a year ago." For what it's worth, you have me going under six different names: "Bev Harris" "Kathleen Wynne" "Professor Herbert Thompson" "Harri Hursti" "Thomas James" and "Ion Sancho".
That sure makes it look like a tin foil hat, left wing, moon bat, piece of propaganda to me.
So, acting in the capacity of these six names, I then convinced a television reporter from Tampa and a newspaper reporter from the Tallahassee Democrat that these discoveries are real. Apparently I am a linguist (some of the people in this have foreign accents) and also I do excellent voice impersonations, including being able to switch between men's and women's voices. I also faked the physical voting machine tapes, and did this on camera in front of six witnesses, while being videotaped by two different groups. Wow. I'm very impressive.
(And you say I'm the one wearing a tinfoil hat?)
Well well. I'm off to work now.
Bev Harris
If the tip page doesn't work (we were having problems with it on the first night) follow my suggestion in post 101 of the Democlown thread or Merlinator's suggestion in post 102.
Eeek-- well, I think Martin Short is a step up from Peewee, so I guess it's a good thing.
No, she asked what we thought should be incuded in her report. She has said the report should be done this month.
Why not give her the time to finish the report and get it vetted instead of demanding she jump on your command? When I read her when she first came here I understood she was talking about what facts to include in her report, not that she was going to drop everything and report directly to you.
SD
Your understanding was incorrect.
The problem is that the chip on the voting machine places a call to executable code on the memory card in order to generate the vote report.
The hack involves tweaking, replacing, or doing any number of malicious things to the code.
The problem is that the design itself violates federal law. The hack exploits the design. The design was intentional.
As I said, the technical report, due mid-June, will be the format where source code appears. Certainly not on a message board, nor in your email box. You'll get it the same time everyone else does.
Thank you for the list you provided. Several of those items will also be provided in the technical report. About 10 days from now, watch for the report, then if you don't think you got enough code, you can complain.
Thank you for the explanation although alot of it was Greek to me, but I am glad you aren't focusing on only one party.
PROVE IT!
Bev herself acknowledges she thinks the Dems altered votes this way. If the Dems can do it I guess we must be guilty too, right? According to MS. Harris it has already happened. The problem is when I research it, the only documents I can find have her name all over them. In other words, no one else is following this scenario. Hmmm. So let's put our collective together and scrutinize these allegations.Bev's reports, whether it's on Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Washington State or wherever will be vague enough to justify further funding requests from fools with money. (Sorry, Bev, just saying it they way it is) Trying to pin her down to party affiliation and such is pointless since it matters so little. Like your reptile brethren the Chameleon, she will change color to suit her needs. You are making the mistake that somehow truth or justice will emerge from all this analysis.
As for analyzing two counties in WA, that's enough! The difference was only 129 votes and King County alone should be scrutinized to the hilt. No surprise that they would stonewall Bev or anybody else that came sniffing around. They are GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!!
The problems with the ballots in WA are the same with the butterfly ballots in Florida in 2000. If you punched a single butterfly ballot, you would not get a hanging or pregnant chad. However, if you try to punch a hole through 20 or more at once, you will likely get pregnant chads at the bottom of the stack. Bev should be investigating the DemocRAT operative that had one of the voting stands on him. Maybe she is but I can't be bothered to check.
I'm content to let Rossi's attorneys fight it out in WA without BBV's assistance.
Allosaur, don't waste your time investigating Bev. She covers her tracks much better than Andy. Go give the horses a brushing, they'll appreciate it and it will be therapeutic for you!
PS: When is www.Scamdy.com coming back on line?
Count me in...I don't know how much help I'd be...but just ask, I'll do what I can...
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