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Russian WMDs hidden in U.S.? (New evidence suggests al-Qaida after them)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/13/05 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:56 PM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON – It was little more than a rumor during the darkest days of the Cold War.

Did agents of the Soviet Union conceal nuclear and biological weapons of mass destruction inside the U.S. and other western cities?

New evidence suggests they did – and that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorists network is determined to find them and use them with the help of bribed Russian spies or special forces soldiers who have maintained their secret locations for all these years.

According to a report by Gordon Thomas and David M. Dastych in the latest issue of the Polish news and opinion weekly Wprost, U.S. authorities searched in vain for the nuclear devices in New York City the day after the Sept. 11, 2001, al-Qaida attacks.

They had been tipped off about the possible existence of Russian "suitcase nukes" in the area by officials in Poland and the Czech Republic, according to the report.

No nuclear weapons were found Sept. 12, 2001, or thereafter. But, more recently, U.S. intelligence services have become concerned about efforts by terrorists to buy off former Soviet and current Russian agents with knowledge of the weapons.

The report also cites the work of Paul L. Williams, an investigative reporter, former FBI consultant and author of several books, including "Osama's Revenge: The Next 9/11," which claims al-Qaida sleeper agents have already stashed suitcase nukes in several major U.S. cities as well as Rappahannock, Va., where the U.S. government maintains an underground bunker as a command-and-control center for wartime or national emergency.

As WorldNetDaily reported earlier this week, Williams describes how al-Qaida has already purchased some post-Soviet mini-nukes and hired Russians to help them operate them. The report was first published in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WND's founder.

Williams predicted in his book a nuclear attack by al-Qaida would be launched before the end of 2005.

Several U.S. officials have alluded to the threat recently.

"It may be only a matter of time before al-Qaida or another group attempts to use chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons," said Porter Goss, director of central intelligence before a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Robert S. Mueller III, director of the FBI, said: "I am also very concerned with a growing body of sensitive reporting that continues to show al-Qaida's clear intention to obtain and ultimately use some form of chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear or high-energy explosives material in its attacks against America."

In addition, Thomas and Dastych report Britain's MI5 has identified 32 spies of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service operating under full diplomatic cover from their London embassy. The spies reportedly have links to deep-cover KGB agents who, during the Cold War, hid scores of genetically engineered biological warfare weapons in Britain's countryside. MI5 believes the Russian spies are still actively concealing the locations of the germ vials.

Meanwhile, KGB spymaster Alexander Kouzminov confirms his agents planted the vials. He, too, believes Russian agents are still involved in guarding them.

"Huge efforts and money was spent in our work," he explained. "It would be foolish to believe our people were stood down just because Russia took part in biological weapons talks in Geneva."


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KEYWORDS: alqaedanukes; alqaida; jihadinamerica; russianwmds; sovietunion; suitcasenukes; wmds
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I know WorldNetDaily is a little prone to exaggeration, but this is still troubling.
1 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

That's some pretty scary stuff- even if the truth is a fraction of the story.


2 posted on 07/13/2005 6:31:11 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: wagglebee
The Author was just on Michael Savage. I believe it but I don't at the same time. I have seen too many of these articles I guess.
3 posted on 07/13/2005 6:31:42 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: wagglebee
If they had them they would have used them on 9/11 instead of planes.

If they had them they would have used them instead of backpack bombs in London.

That's not to say they're not trying to get them, however.

4 posted on 07/13/2005 6:32:11 PM PDT by FReepaholic (When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading)
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To: wagglebee
Oh BTW,Paul L. Williams says he will be meeting with Tancredo tomorrow......
5 posted on 07/13/2005 6:33:19 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: wagglebee

Debka Daily. 'nuff said.


6 posted on 07/13/2005 6:33:37 PM PDT by datura (Molon Labe)
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To: conservative cat
This Paul Williams guy has been on the radio the past 24 hours. He was on Savage tonight. But most here feel he has little credibility. He seemed to know quite a bit about the Kahn Network though.



Need more info on this guy without buying his book to dig the bomb shelter yet. :-)
7 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:08 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: wagglebee

There are probably several threads on this. The journalist is just reporting, his sources are DEBKA and other poorly focused individuals. There could be a bomb anyway. Those who lived through the fifties are kind of immune to nuke sensationalism.


8 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
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To: wagglebee

any weapons hidden that long won't work.

I doubt this.


9 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:47 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: wagglebee

Boy, WND is really pushing this nuke angle. Are they marketing someone's book?


10 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:56 PM PDT by alnick
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To: wagglebee

Ummm hummm... Yup, the Russians buried an a-bomb in my back yard. Come git it, al Qaeda.


11 posted on 07/13/2005 6:37:03 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: alnick

WND is ALWAYS pushing somebody's book.


12 posted on 07/13/2005 6:37:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Gordon Thomas wrote a controversial book about 6 years ago about the Mossad, I don't know how accurate the book was. He claimed that Henri Paul was a spy and that Bibi's wife was obsessed with Pres Clinton.


13 posted on 07/13/2005 6:39:09 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: cmsgop
I head him and have also read too much to truly trust this. I have also heard some folks in the Nuke Industry say that they decay the Printed Circuit Boards and fry the components over time. In other words they have a shelf life unless you keep the Fission Fusion material separate and that alone creates problems. So scary but you have to think they would have used them if they could. Every day we kill and catch more of them, why wait?
14 posted on 07/13/2005 6:39:39 PM PDT by pwatson
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To: wagglebee

Check this out, Jack!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/737847/posts


15 posted on 07/13/2005 6:40:24 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (The cheese stands alone.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Damn! That's very interesting. However, I agree with others who say that a nuclear device that was simply "hidden" for over four decades without any type of upkeep would probably be a dud.


16 posted on 07/13/2005 6:43:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: tscislaw
Such a plan is the ultimate in suicide pacts. If ever such an extensive attack were launched, especially directed at politicians, there would be no force on earth which could hold back the call for a complete neutron bombing of the entire middle east. We'd have to preserve the oil infrastructure, after all.
17 posted on 07/13/2005 6:44:17 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: wagglebee
Williams predicted in his book

Nuff Said....

Next!...

18 posted on 07/13/2005 6:44:30 PM PDT by konaice
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To: pwatson
I am new to Savage , I Love his points on how the Religion Of Piece want to eliminate Western Civilization,( HE IS DEAD ON) I will have to listen more.
19 posted on 07/13/2005 6:44:36 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: wagglebee
If the nukes are too old or if there is no way a nuke could be smuggled in, Bush should go on TV and state these facts. It's time W explains the chess move we made in Iraq so the left dodos understand it and reassure the public that we have no nuke threat.
20 posted on 07/13/2005 6:48:58 PM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: wagglebee

It would be a dud, but I doubt there is/was no upkeep.


21 posted on 07/13/2005 6:49:04 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (The cheese stands alone.)
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To: cmsgop

Savage is Brilliant, Crazy, Intelligent, Entertaining, Different, Dark, Rants, Manic Depressive, tells great old stories of life in the 1950's NYC and is very funny. He gets off attacking Republicans and Bush too much and has no clue how the real world of Politics works. But, I love the guy he says it like you would like to say it some times.


22 posted on 07/13/2005 6:49:34 PM PDT by pwatson
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To: operation clinton cleanup

We don't have any agreements about maintaining localized nukes... especially if we don't know they are there!


23 posted on 07/13/2005 6:50:50 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (The cheese stands alone.)
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To: pwatson
I agree with everything you said, that I have heard so far,Everything! LOL!
24 posted on 07/13/2005 6:51:34 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: pwatson

Oh BTW, CHECK THIS OUT!!!!! LOL!http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442386/posts


25 posted on 07/13/2005 6:53:07 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: jetson
"If the nukes are too old or if there is no way a nuke could be smuggled in, Bush should go on TV and state these facts. It's time W explains the chess move we made in Iraq so the left dodos understand it and reassure the public that we have no nuke threat"
Why give away your information, maybe they think they are still here, maybe we have them and are waiting for the sleeper cells to show up for work. In war you do not want everything in the press, some things, most things, are best left to the Military. This is a 100 year war against Wahhabism after all.
26 posted on 07/13/2005 6:53:18 PM PDT by pwatson
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To: operation clinton cleanup

I agree. How many campus commies are there in this country who would be willing to hide something in their office safe from time to time? "Buried" doesn't always have to mean something that has had dirt shoveled over it.


27 posted on 07/13/2005 6:54:15 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: cmsgop
Micael Savage's website
28 posted on 07/13/2005 6:54:26 PM PDT by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: Brilliant
Here's your flag!


29 posted on 07/13/2005 6:55:05 PM PDT by vger (freeping since '97!)
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To: mastercylinder
sorry this the link Michael Savage's website
30 posted on 07/13/2005 6:57:34 PM PDT by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: cmsgop
The Author was just on Michael Savage. I believe it but I don't at the same time. I have seen too many of these articles I guess.

I heard that too, and I totally think Savage let him off way too easy. Every time he made one of those claims, you heard a I-don't-quite-believe-you grunt from Savage, and he'd then ask the guy if there was any proof. The author would then say, yeah there's proof, and Savage didn't press him for any.

I know you have to be nice to your guests, mostly, but geez Savage... press the guy a little. Make him back some of this stuff up. If there's proof, let's see it, and more importantly, let the law enforcement types see it.
31 posted on 07/13/2005 6:57:38 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: tscislaw

It's probably true but they haven't used them YET because they are trying to accomplish their immediate goals of collapsing Western Civil. and driving our culture out of sandland without permanently "polluting" our land,,they would like to take over and MOVE here also.....Just hope we've told them any big moves on their part will result in destruction of Mecca , Medina, Riyhad, Tehran, etc....


32 posted on 07/13/2005 6:58:07 PM PDT by crowman
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To: Prince Charles

The cold war never ended... it just entered a new phase. Putin is no friend of the USA.


33 posted on 07/13/2005 7:06:04 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (The cheese stands alone.)
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To: wagglebee
Russian WMDs hidden in U.S.?
I would think the dyn-o-mite or other age-sensitive 'activating mechanisms' would have aged sufficiently in some of those 'devices' so as to be a) a genuine hazard unto whomever was 'housing' said devices (MUCH before they are moved into position) or b) rendered unusable ...

Suffice it to say, I think on several different grounds this story's basis is flawed ...

34 posted on 07/13/2005 7:08:22 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Agreed completely.


35 posted on 07/13/2005 7:15:13 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: _Jim

What makes you think that these assets have not been "upgraded" like every other Russian weapons system over the last 50 years?


36 posted on 07/13/2005 7:22:35 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (The cheese stands alone.)
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To: JediForce

He was on Coast to Coast for two hours last night. IMHO- He seemed to know what he was talking about.


37 posted on 07/13/2005 7:23:58 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland ("Consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies")
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To: pwatson

I thought that you had to regularly install a new tritium trigger for these things to work. If just a couple of the charges don't go off simultaneously, all you have is a dirty bomb. So I find all this very hard to believe.


38 posted on 07/13/2005 7:29:17 PM PDT by appeal2
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To: pwatson

I thought that you had to regularly install a new tritium trigger for these things to work. If just a couple of the charges don't go off simultaneously, all you have is a dirty bomb. So I find all this very hard to believe.


39 posted on 07/13/2005 7:29:19 PM PDT by appeal2
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To: cajungirl

"any weapons hidden that long won't work."

The triggers might not work, but the fissile material would make a dandy dirty bomb.


40 posted on 07/13/2005 7:33:15 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: cajungirl

Except for replacing tritium in enhanced-yield weapons, fission bombs are not high-maintenence.

The U.S. is fastidious about maintenence and modelling of the performance of old weapons, but if you don't really care if you get two or five kilotons out of a bombs, the old Soviet nukes might still be good for it.


41 posted on 07/13/2005 7:37:42 PM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: datura
Debka Daily. 'nuff said.

In about 1960 or so I read a "War" comic (the kind my Mom did not like) about 2 or 3 American special forces types planting "mini nukes" in the USSR & PRC! And the POTUS telling the world about it (after the guys are heroically killed after completing there mission)

IMHO the reason the USSR, PRC or the USA never attempted direct planting of nukes on foreign soil was that discovery would lead directly to war at, perhaps, not the best time.

The perfection of SLBM's solved this issue.

42 posted on 07/13/2005 7:38:03 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

The Russians did not have anything like "perfect" SLBMs, or even high confidence in their own strategic deterrent. It is therefore very likely they would use some kind of "assymterical" approach. If that was smuggled nukes and/or bioweapons - who knows. But it was probably something that took advantage of their ability to move about the U.S. with relative ease (there were/are big no-go zones for Russians, but having seen some of these maps I can't think of how this was enforced).


43 posted on 07/13/2005 7:44:58 PM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
I heard it myself. But that is coast to coast...you know...home of Art Bell and Dr. Doom. Tinfoil hat/black helicopter stuff. When I heard him on Savage it gave me pause for a moment. Savage my be nuts at times...but he is not the John Loftus/Art Bell conspiracy type.

We shall see where this leads us.
This guy Williams is supposed to up in congress Thursday or Friday talking to Tom Tencrado and others.
44 posted on 07/13/2005 7:48:23 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Haru Hara Haruko
Absolutely no flaw in your thinking when it comes to capability's or even planing (Under all flags)

I just feel that the pragmatist's on all sides said that this is back there with plan Y. A threat more than an action.

45 posted on 07/13/2005 8:13:36 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: wagglebee; All; DAVEY CROCKETT; MamaDearest; SandRat; SevenofNine; Tuba Guy; Pepper777; ...

If one takes a look at what these links turned up, then you will have a better idea of how dangerous the threat is.

The information is out there, a lot will be in our and other governments papers.

Interesting information in these searches:

http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=sleeper%20cells%20in%20U.S.


http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=why%20hasn%27t%20al%20Qaeda%20used%20WMD%20on%20the%20United%20States%3F



http://www.google.com/search?q=will+al+Qaeda+attack+the+United+States+with+WMD%3F&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?q=will+al+Qaeda+use+WMD%3F&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?q=did+al+Qaeda+hire+WMD+scientists%3F&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?q=will+al+Qaeda+use+WMD%3F&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?q=who+sold+al+Qaeda+WMD%3F&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=who%20sold%20al%20Qaeda%20nuclear%20weapons%3F



http://www.google.com/search?q=does+al+Qaeda+have+nuclear+weapons%3F&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=do%20terrorists%20have%20nuclear%20weapons%3F



http://www.google.com/search?q=where+to+buy+nuclear+weapons+today&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&client=googlet



http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=where%20to%20buy%20nuclear%20weapons%20



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http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=missing%20nuclear%20%20weapons%20United%20States


46 posted on 07/13/2005 9:37:11 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp Meet YOUR Communist party members in Congress)
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To: cajungirl
I think you got it cajungirl.
Even if the Russkies had infiltrated some nuclear devices into the the nation and had them squirreled away somewhere (and that is within the realm of possible) the replenishing of all the time limited components would (without notice) be very difficult for al-Qaida. or anyone else including the Russkies to accomplish.. A cursory research on nuke technology will show that.

Besides, if anyone any group any nation ever detonates any kind of nuke anywhere near US territory (yes EMP too) they have signed their own death warrant
47 posted on 07/13/2005 10:19:41 PM PDT by chariotdriver (I was not using taglines before it was cool to do so)
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To: All
One of experts Williams cites as a reference is nuclear terrorism expert Graham Allison, director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University and former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Is he a world "nut" daily crackpot out to sell books, too?

Dr. Allison says a far more threatening sword of Damocles [than a mere "dirty" bomb] hangs over our heads: a potential terrorist attack with a nuclear bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/dirtybomb/allison.html

48 posted on 07/13/2005 10:20:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: wagglebee
I seem to remember a story about the retirement of a reporter from the Kennedy era. He wrote his memoirs and revealed a conversation with JFK over dinner where JFK admitted that the Soviets had a nuke on the third floor of the Soviet embassy. The reporter thought he was joking, but JFK said he was not. I Googled for it, but could not find it. Anyone remember hearing about it? Maybe on Rush about a year ago.
49 posted on 07/13/2005 10:37:40 PM PDT by compuguru (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: compuguru

Is this it?

Russian Nuclear bomb in Washington, DC.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/737847/posts


50 posted on 07/14/2005 12:24:39 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp Meet YOUR Communist party members in Congress)
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