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New Orleans Mayor Nagin's Failure
BillHobbs.com - Grassroots journalism from Nashville ^

Posted on 09/04/2005 10:47:00 AM PDT by NWO Slave

This AP photo shows scores of New Orleans school buses sitting in flood waters after Hurricane Katrina - sitting where they sat instead of being used to evacuate thousands of poor people before Katrina hit.

Why are scores of school buses sitting in the flood waters of New Orleans today? Blame New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, who is one reason things have gotten worse, not better, in his stricken city since it was hit by Hurricane Katrina. His laissez faire approach to looting allowed the looters to become increasingly armed and violent, interrupting rescue and recovery operations.

But even before Katrina hit, he failed his poorest citizens horribly. He told them to evacuate the city - and then gave his city's poorest residents no way to do so.

Nagin lashed out at federal officials yesterday for the government's relief efforts, pleading for the government to round up "500 buses" to send to New Orleans to evacuate survivors.

But Nagin, who ordered a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans before Katrina hit, ought to be made to answer this question: Where are the buses of the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority? Under water? Destroyed? Why?

Before Katrina hit, the New Orleans Regional Transportation Authority operated at least 364 buses, probably more. The latest stats (I found these from 2002.) NORTA's website likely has more accurate stats but the site is, understandably, down.)

A more important question for Mayor Nagin is this one:

Why weren't NORTA's 364 buses used to ferry poor people out of New Orleans before Katrina hit?

It's a legitimate question. After all, Nagin knew he had tens of thousands of poor people in his city who had neither money nor vehicles to self-evacuate before the storm arrived. So, why didn't he order NORTA to send its buses into the poor neighborhoods to provide transportation to anyone wishing to leave?

If each bus could hold just 60 people, NORTA's 364 buses had the capacity to take almost 22,000 people out of harm's way per trip. Given that Nagin ordered the compulsory evacuation of the city two days before the storm hit, there was sufficient time for more than one trip - sufficient time to move tens of thousands of the city's poorest residents out of New Orleans by bus before Katrina arrived.

Even if the buses only made one trip, one in five people now trapped in New Orleans wouldn't be.

But Nagin never sent NORTA's buses and drivers into the city's Ninth Ward, its poorest section, to offer the people there a realistic way out.

Critics will ask where, exactly, the NORTA buses would have taken tens of thousands of people. My answer: the first town they came to 100 miles or so west of New Orleans. Would that be ideal? No, but leaving 100,000 poor people trapped in a below-sea-level city about to be hit by a hurricane stronger than the city's levees were build to withstand wasn't exactly ideal, either.

Nagin is screaming for buses now, but when he had them he failed to use them. People aren't dying in New Orleans today because of what the federal relief effort is or isn't doing. People are dying in New Orleans today because Mayor Ray Nagin failed to get them out before Katrina hit.

People are dying - perhaps by the thousands - because of his failure.

UPDATE: A commenter notes that the New Orleans Public School system also had buses - hundreds of them. Why weren't they pressed into service to evacuate the thousands of residents who had no way out? (After posting this update, I found the flooded buses photo via a link posted by a commenter over at BloggingForBryant.)

In the days before the hurricane struck, the possibility of commandeering the city's two big bus fleets - the transit buses and the school buses - was much discussed on this Metafilter thread Metafilter thread.

One person, "Amberglow," wrote at at 11:15 AM New Orleans time on August 28: "They ought to get every bus in the city commandeered and just get people out of there. even boats and barges up the Mississippi would work."

But ... they didn't.

Instead, the transit buses were used to shuttle people to the Superdome. And the school buses were left parked to drown in the floodwaters, each flooded seat representing a person that could have been moved out of harm's way.


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KEYWORDS: buses; katrina; neworleans; raginnagin

1 posted on 09/04/2005 10:47:01 AM PDT by NWO Slave
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To: NWO Slave

The backlash begins...


2 posted on 09/04/2005 10:48:27 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: NWO Slave

When are elections for mayor and governor? The GOP better have someone with leadership abilities lined up for a shoe in.


3 posted on 09/04/2005 10:49:31 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: NWO Slave

nagin is a corrupt fool. blanco is incompetent.

both are dangerously out of their depth.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 10:49:57 AM PDT by smonk
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To: NWO Slave

If the left's reaction to this disaster which is on the scale of the tsunami in January is hysterics, fingerpointing, rants, obscenities thrown everywhere, physical threats made by a sitting Louisiana Senator at the President of the US, complaints that FEMA suspend the laws of physics and materialize in a day, and downright deplorable behavior, then I guess we all know

that

they are not to be trusted in an emergency.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 10:49:57 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: NWO Slave
This photo of the buses is going to be Mayor Nagin's blue dress.
6 posted on 09/04/2005 10:50:00 AM PDT by manwiththehands (If the left offends you, stick around. They are just getting started.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I don't think there's any way the GOP could win the mayor's race in NO . . . ever. LA governor is much more likely.


7 posted on 09/04/2005 10:50:55 AM PDT by smonk
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To: NWO Slave
Mayor Ray Nagin was being interviewed by Garland Robinette of WWL-AM and claimed, among other things,..."I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man." and "You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly." and "And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.".

Read the entire interview here.

When evacuees at the Superdome were interviewed by the Houston Chronicle, however, here's what they had to say,

"...Warren Cosey, 41, was less charitable. 'Oh, man, he was crying like a baby,' he said.

Next to Cosey in line was Verdell Berry, who complained that he had not seen the mayor all week. 'He never came in and addressed the crowd or nothing,' he said.

Cosey shook his head. 'If he would have come in here, they would have killed him,' he said."

Read the article here.

In addition, there is some question about Nagin's orders immediately following the Hurricane. In an article in the Los Angeles Times, he was quoted while talking to a radio interviewer as follows:

" 'We probably have 80 percent of our city underwater; with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports are underwater,' Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.

Nagin evacuated City Hall and ordered everyone who was still in the city - including police officers who were not considered 'central emergency personnel' - to leave."

Read the article here. Nagin, who has been exposed as a "Good-Time Mayor" was way...way...way over his head in this crisis. He had absolutely no clue. As is typical of so many Democrats, his desperate attempts to rewrite history and tweak the timeline involve exaggeration, embellishment, and outright lies. He knows he failed. He knows that people died because of his inaction prior to the storm as well as his disappearing act immediately afterwards.

We'll see how this plays out over the next few weeks but, with the majority of the LSM acting as a pre-emptive PR firm for the DNC, I am not confident that facts will play a significant role in analyzing this tragedy and preventing future replays.

8 posted on 09/04/2005 10:51:55 AM PDT by eurocon (People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.)
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To: marblehead17

ping for reference


9 posted on 09/04/2005 10:52:02 AM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: NWO Slave

I think the total submerged bus count from the aerials in 576 now.


10 posted on 09/04/2005 10:52:10 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: mtbopfuyn
When are elections for mayor and governor?

Mayor of what, exactly?

11 posted on 09/04/2005 10:52:14 AM PDT by Maceman (Pro Se Defendant from Hell)
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To: NWO Slave
So let me see if I have the sums right.

New Orleans had 364 Transit Authority buses, and at least 430 school buses available, and failed to use any of them, except the one the kid stole????

12 posted on 09/04/2005 10:52:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: NWO Slave

Simple...It's better for a Black mayor to throw a hissyfit in the press than do what is right. Those that died will no longer be voters anyway.


13 posted on 09/04/2005 10:52:35 AM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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To: eurocon
"You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly."


14 posted on 09/04/2005 10:56:41 AM PDT by Maceman (Pro Se Defendant from Hell)
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To: smonk

I don't think their will be a mayors race in New Orleans. I don't think the city will ever recover for 5-15 years. It never be the same. I don't see the population ever becoming close to what it was. The city is a sewer


15 posted on 09/04/2005 10:58:10 AM PDT by CarlEOlsoniii (If one young republican reads my posts and knows he is not alone, I have done my job)
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To: NWO Slave
Thank God, this legacy wont soon be swept under the political rug




16 posted on 09/04/2005 10:59:57 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Salvation Army 1-800-SAL-ARMY)
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To: CarlEOlsoniii

sure there will. NO will be flooded with federal bucks for years.


17 posted on 09/04/2005 11:00:23 AM PDT by smonk
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To: NWO Slave
I just found this very interesting paragraph on Instapundit.com. It is from a WAPO article today.

Other federal and state officials pointed to Louisiana's failure to measure up to national disaster response standards, noting that the federal plan advises state and local emergency managers not to expect federal aid for 72 to 96 hours, and base their own preparedness efforts on the need to be self-sufficient for at least that period.
"Fundamentally the first breakdown occurred at the local level," said one state official who works with FEMA. 'Did the city have the situational awareness of what was going on within its borders? The answer was no."

18 posted on 09/04/2005 11:00:36 AM PDT by msnimje (CNN - Constant Negative Nonsense)
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To: JustAnotherOkie
Those that died will no longer be voters anyway.

Dems never let that stop them from voting.

19 posted on 09/04/2005 11:02:09 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: JustAnotherOkie
The Mayor of NO will pay. It's a shame he left his own people to fend for themselves. Where were the buses for the nursing homes.

I think the people do not understand how disaster preparedness and FEMA work. They are thinking the President and his people should have moved in Monday. The state and city politicians are in charge until they give the order for that city. The president warned the Governor. He knows the responsibility of running a state. Obviously she did not.
20 posted on 09/04/2005 11:02:48 AM PDT by Texas4ever
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To: LaineyDee

Touche!!!


21 posted on 09/04/2005 11:03:42 AM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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To: lonevoice

I love our military. I think it is amazing that they accomplished so much in such a short time, actually. If the left had their way, we wouldn't even have much of a military. My question to them: if not the military, than who? Can you imagine any other organization doing the job that they are currently doing in the Katrina ravaged cities?


22 posted on 09/04/2005 11:05:45 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: NWO Slave

A couple of Freepers have said that Nagin didn't want buses that didn't have bathrooms on them. I'd like to see some sort of confirmation on that. If it's true, considering how who is left is wading in raw sewage....


23 posted on 09/04/2005 11:13:59 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: NWO Slave
aerial of municipal buses:

aerial of your pic:

and a huge aerial, showing more buses:
http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24426968.jpg

24 posted on 09/04/2005 11:15:29 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: NWO Slave
HIGH-RES "zoomable" pics: long load for dial-up.

ZOOM in on the very lower right corner. MORE buses underwater, empty.

ZOOM bottom left-center - more buses.

A whole lot of cars parked in driveways, not to mention the 100's (1000's of cars parked all together in the on the lower left side?? )

Taken from: Hurricane Katrina Base Map Index Page

25 posted on 09/04/2005 11:16:52 AM PDT by cgk (We'll have to deal w/ the networks. One way to do that is to drain the swamp they live in - Rumsfeld)
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To: eurocon

Ray is a stupid, stupid man. That said, did the casino/crime/tourism stringpullers want someone smart?


26 posted on 09/04/2005 11:18:51 AM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: eurocon

I WANT AN APOLOGY FROM BLANCO AND NAGIN!!1

APOLOGIZE NOW


27 posted on 09/04/2005 11:20:06 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: eurocon

"I'm not one of those drug addicts.."

A racist view of the black and poor.


28 posted on 09/04/2005 11:21:57 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: NWO Slave
Very easy it would have been to round up 1500 or 2000 school b uses, that is, about four or five school districts worth of the things, and get EVERYBODY out of there.

The people running La. and NO need to be lynched.

29 posted on 09/04/2005 11:24:25 AM PDT by tamalejoe
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To: NWO Slave

Where are the aldermen of New Orleans? Those gentlemen should have been right there in the Superdome, taking charge and showing some leadership. I didn't see any of them being interviewed on TV. I suspect that they followed the mayor's example and departed the area posthaste, along with the other rich black and white folks.

They and their families are no doubt holed up in luxury far away from New Orleans, waiting for the mess to be cleaned up so they can go back to business as usual.


30 posted on 09/04/2005 11:25:23 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: King Prout

What is he mayor of, now? There is no reason why New Orleans has to be rebuilt as a slum. Let's sort out those who can benefit from opportunity from the crooks and drug addicts and get them the benefits of a self-reliance culture in the states where they are relocated. Let's not recreate crime infested slums.


31 posted on 09/04/2005 11:26:02 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Mayor of WHAT?


32 posted on 09/04/2005 11:26:23 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: mercy

New Atlantis.


33 posted on 09/04/2005 11:29:28 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: King Prout

I might add no one has mentioned how many floors are in that parking structure either. Since the roof is full I would imagine so are the other floors. Many of them vans and trucks I'm sure. Hundreds more vehicles that could have been used to get people out.


34 posted on 09/04/2005 11:29:39 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: NWO Slave; All
I have recieved FreepMail from a Freeper who captured dated and timed live-cam images of the New Orleans evaciation route on Sunday evening to his computer C-Drive.

The photos show that the in-bound lane to New Orleans was unused and NOT OPENED TO OUT-BOUND TRAFFIC. This is significant as it severely impacted the spped of the evacuation.

The Freeper does not know how to get the images posted.

Does anybody have a secure web site and a Hotmail address he can send the photos to so they can be posted?

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FreepMail to Polybius...........

Well, here is some more information on those pictures. The time stamps were in military time, so, here are the times.

These picture of the causeway, and other live webcams anyone could have seen in New Orleans before, during, ( I don't know now ) maybe, after the storm. These pictures were taken in ( I guess, 3 min or 5 mins apart) .

The first pictures cleary shows all of the vehicles coming out from NEW ORLEANS, and the inbound lanes wide open with no traffic at all ( either way ) on it.

1 # Picture time stamp. 8 / 28 / 2005 - HR : 16:21:02 PM
2# 8/28/05 - HR : 16:25:25 PM.
3# 8/28/05 - HR : 16:34:31 PM.
4# 8/28/05 - HR : 17:04:34 PM.
5# 8/28/05 - HR : 18:52:19 PM.

I was mistaken before, these pictures were taken last Sunday evening.

From picture 1 to 3 , you can see many vehicles getting out of New Orleans, and there are very dark ominious cloud in the sky, and from picture 3 to 4, the traffice starts to clear to a trickle, and the clouds clear up some, but, in the last picture, there are no vehicles on the N.O. causeway.

I just checked some of the pictures, only in one picture, do I see only one vehicle going inbound back into New Orleans.

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35 posted on 09/04/2005 11:32:30 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: School of Rational Thought
"I'm not one of those drug addicts.." A racist view of the black and poor.

You know, at first, I thought he was referring to Marion Berry.

36 posted on 09/04/2005 11:33:35 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mtbopfuyn
New Atlantis.

Before Atlantis Sunk it was populated by an advanced population.
I do not think New Orleans should be mentioned in the same sentence as Atlantis.

37 posted on 09/04/2005 11:35:30 AM PDT by msnimje (CNN - Constant Negative Nonsense)
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To: NWO Slave
Two points:

1. Nagin did NOT order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans until late Sunday morning, just hours before tropical storm force winds came in to the city. By then it was too late to get many folks out. This is important. President Bush declared a disaster area early on Saturday and urged immediate evacuation, but did not have the power to order people to leave. If Nagin had ordered a mandatory evacuation Saturday and gotten those buses rolling, thousands might have been saved from death and misery.

2. By the time the mandatory evacuation order was given, everyone with a TV knew it was past time to go, including probably most of the bus drivers in the city. They were apparently never told to stand on alert in case they were needed to get people out. This should have been standard procedure when any hurricane enters the Gulf of Mexico. Pay them an extra $500 if you have to, but you have to make sure you have the drivers or the buses will not do you much good.

It would have been relatively easy to open up contraflow on I-10 to only city and school buses at first. They could have made several trips at least to Baton Rouge, and the last buses out could have kept going on to Texas. LSU has a large basketball arena, field house, student center, and other facilities that could have been used as shelters for thousands. Baton Rouge lost power but not water, so those people would have had water and sanitation. If the evacuation had first focused on the sick and elderly, they could have been taken to hospitals throughout the state. I simply cannot fathom that the City of New Orleans had nobody capable of figuring this out!

38 posted on 09/04/2005 12:47:56 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (2,4,6,8 - a burka makes me look overweight!)
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To: NWO Slave

Excellent article and it points the finger right where it belongs, to the Mayor. It also should point the finger at the people at the State level who were also responsible before they start pointing fingers.


39 posted on 09/04/2005 8:36:43 PM PDT by dixie sass
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