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The lesssons I have learned from the Hurricane Katrina disaster and tragedy
JEFFHEAD.COM ^ | September 5, 2005 | Jeff Head

Posted on 09/05/2005 8:21:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: Jeff Head

"The best way to learn from mistakes is to recognize them, point them out, learn from them. and illiminate the them".......................I respectfully disagree. IMVHO, it is best to educate those individuals you would place into authority with countless years of very much and well documented history of trajedies long past. If one needs to examine every new disaster after the fact as you say. Should I expect the human race to continue after armageddon ?


51 posted on 09/05/2005 9:28:19 PM PDT by CheezyChesster
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To: Jeff Head

"The best way to learn from mistakes is to recognize them, point them out, learn from them. and illiminate the them".......I also found this response rather intriguing after reading of your past experiences and seemingly impressive credentials from your own website. Interesting to me is how this very logistical response from you seems to run contrary from the general ideology of Free Republic. Perhaps it is wise to know ones adversaries prior to ones posting of his/her opinions on this board.


52 posted on 09/05/2005 9:59:53 PM PDT by CheezyChesster
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To: Jeff Head

"... [those] who were partying in the path of this storm on live news coverage up to the time the storm began to come on shore..."

In the future, they should be shot & killed on sight, so that follow-on rescue teams can devote their attention to the real victims.


53 posted on 09/05/2005 10:05:36 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Jeff Head
Sage advice.. Any with their heads screwed on correctly will heed it..
Although its just common sense.. thats becoming increasingly less common..
54 posted on 09/05/2005 10:17:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Jeff Head
Excellent post.

I'd also suggest having some antibiotic like Cipro on hand, just in case.

55 posted on 09/05/2005 10:21:59 PM PDT by melt (Someday they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Jeff Head

One other thought. You should probably post this thread again tomorrow, during the day--- for maximum exposure. Most people are in bed right now.


56 posted on 09/05/2005 10:36:23 PM PDT by melt (Someday they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Jeff Head; Doug Fiedor; logos; SLB
Excellent article Jeff.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

57 posted on 09/05/2005 10:39:16 PM PDT by the irate magistrate
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To: Jeff Head
Well done Jeff.

I have wondered ever since the patients took temporary control of the asylum in Nawlins what might happen in a similar situation in say, Houston. Then again, looking at Katrina's destruction and New Orleans in particular, it's as if Murphy's Law asserted itself. A set of circumstances similar to this may be a long time occurring again....if ever.

Until the next big one?

FGS

58 posted on 09/05/2005 11:11:56 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Jeff Head
Excellent article. You and other writers have touched on the "mental attitude" to survive these events and I believe that something which can't be taught.
Dealing with subjects who haven't prepared themselves and who want what you got is going to be a serious issue. No easy answer, except to remember there's a little one counting on you.
59 posted on 09/05/2005 11:49:17 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: Republic
B!+ch slap ourself. Get over it.

Enroll in an NRA Approved course to get over the nervousness. At least you would then understand what the tools are all about rather than deal with TV news reports about gun violins. I listen to the radio myself.

60 posted on 09/05/2005 11:58:45 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: Jeff Head
This is the best advice and general description of this I have read yet. I would add one item to my list. A police scanner is far more valuable for gaining a fast grip on what is going on in any event from civil unrest to fire, weather, or any major event. They aren't that hard to learn and you can monitor all agencies.

For example a tornado watch is issued. When that happens in most communities a person can monitor the SKYWARN program. These are trained weather watchers who are HAM Radio operators and have direct immediate contact with NOAA. You can get up to 5 minutes heads up depending on how many are spotted.

You can in most places monitor fire, police, paramedics, State Emergency Management Agencies, Local Emergency Management, State Police, Coast Guard, Rail Roads, Utilities, and even some federal agencies including the military. A word of caution to everybody use them only as an observer. If you hear a call or report of something happening stay home. They don't need you to respond and add to the confusion. Showing up on scene with a radio makes you an ambassador of ill will very quickly.

Learn your local agencies frequencies, tower locations, and codes etc. If you live in an area that uses 154-159 MHZ systems these likely will still be working after most any disaster in some capacity and have good transmission range. The 450-460MHZ systems are a close second but require repeaters. Most repeaters have battery back ups and some have generators as well.

Agencies using the Trunking 800MHZ systems are the most likely to fail due to a computer dependency design. I think NO used the 800MHZ systems which would account for major communication failures. They should have passed out VHF radios as a back up. This was one of the harsh lessons NYC learned and they reverted back to a simple precinct assigned frequency repeater system.

You can even know what your local utility is doing during major outages. I can guesstimate if I'll have power in a few hours or a few days by hearing their damage reports. I can also know when they are fixing to restore the power :>} The more information anyone can acquire in a disaster the better equipped they are to make decisions.
61 posted on 09/06/2005 12:28:10 AM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Jeff Head
Jeff and Newbees, I would increase the ration to 10 days, 10-12 Kcal, with a ~liter bottle with internal compound "bug cather/carbon" filters rated to <200 gallons via a straw. Camelbaks packs carry 3 liters (~7# water). I'd sure add iodine/chlorine water treatment tablets. Shake-rest-repeat to outgas the chem smell a little. The tiny LED torches and the (French) Petzl LED headlamps with flash mode are great.

I pack ~ 1x2 yard square of mosquito netting as a portable pie safe (and sleeping-facenet) to keep flies off my food and drink, given corpses' special spices which might well be added to lunch.

Folks, Leatherman "Crunch" multi-tool and 5-7" serrated combat/rescue knife (K-Bar-ish) goes with the handgun, Swiss Army "Hunter" model is a minimum: carry rat-shot for rats, squirrels, birds - snarling pack dogs get hollowpoints along with strangers who do not honor the FBI's 21'+ Rule or common sense to move along and don't come back. Carry a small magnifying glass for fire if not a magnesium striker and Fire Ribbon napalm in a tube...

Carry lots of Nitril (far stronger than latex) gloves, eat with them - as you should never eat with your hands, even if "washed" under hellish conditions.

550# paracute cord, 300-500 feet. "100mph" high quality duct tape. Lots of 30 and 55 gal. trash bags for everything, poncho - shade (fabric shower curtain is lighter than tarp) taped &/or corner knotting) etc., etc., etc.

Think multi-use and creatively. In a meltdown - locally, regionally, or nationally - plan on being paranoid, BUT survival may depend on forming up random tribes to watch your 6 day and night. I pack peppermint hard candies by the scores because it is calming to kids and adults alike. I take several # of good quality dogmeal with small Milk Bones because you may need a foundling as your night-watchman. You never know when you may need to take a dog for a wok.

As my primary bugout bag, I like a large "whitewater" pack/bag that is nearly 100% water-proof because one never knows when water may not save your life. I have put together now 5 slightly varied purposed/seasons bags with 2 medical kits small and large for when things are bloody bad And ONE ALONE IS THE MEDIC. Pack 2-4 weeks+ worth of critical meds - IF PACKING FOR A FAMILY, DON'T PUT ALL YOUR MEDS IN ONE pack - if one is lost.

My 7 somewhat redundant bags with at the ready fail-safe tools fill a Suburban. I can travel heavy, Toyota Corolla medium or pedestian lite - and INJURED EVAC VERY LITE.

I have thought through what it would be like to leave my home within 30 seconds to 3 minutes to never return.

Always have enough to share something. My 2 cents tonight.

62 posted on 09/06/2005 1:00:03 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: Alamo-Girl

You are weclome AG!


63 posted on 09/06/2005 4:21:19 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: CheezyChesster
In the human condition, we are going to make mistakes. We are not perfect planners or perfect in our execution of even the best plans. In addition, nature itself will surprise us.

Even if everyone were prepared as I indicate there would still be some mistakes made. The secret is to avoid the truly large ones if at all possible and to learn from them. The very method we document history and hope that leaders bring that documentation with them is through the method I described above. I expect that method will be ongoing until Armegeddon, after which time, our Savior will be on the earth. We will survive Armegeddon precisely because of His appearance IMHO.

64 posted on 09/06/2005 4:25:22 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: CheezyChesster
Adversaries?

I do not believe that admitting that we, as individuals, can and should learn from our mistakes is contrary to the general ideology on FR.

As I stated, we are imperfect humans, each one of us. The solution is to remedy that on an individual basis, using the very foundational moral principles upon which our liberty os based...not depend on government to do it for us.

65 posted on 09/06/2005 4:28:08 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: hosepipe
Although its just common sense.. thats becoming increasingly less common..

Amen my friend...amen. Governmental agencies and ideologies and those in favor of "big governemtn", particulalry as they create conditions like the "Welfare State" which they termed the "Great Society" only prove and punctuate this point.

66 posted on 09/06/2005 4:29:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: melt

Hipefully, within the first aid kit, the necessary items are included. Probably should have a seperate listing of the types of things to include in the first aid kit too.


67 posted on 09/06/2005 4:30:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: the irate magistrate

You are welcome my friend. Hope all ios well there in N. Bluegrass. Pass on my regards to the Colonel and the boys at the dump.


68 posted on 09/06/2005 4:31:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: ForGod'sSake
I believe if similar conditions occurred in any other major metroplitan area contianing a large inner city, welfare oriented segment of society, regardless of race, the results would be similar.

The ingredients are a major catastrophie with any kind of general breakdown of infrastructure, basic services and law enforcement for an extended period...say 3-4 days with no immediate end in sight.

69 posted on 09/06/2005 4:33:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Excellent observations, each one of them right on target!


70 posted on 09/06/2005 4:36:41 AM PDT by Gritty ("New Orleans is a party town in the middle of a welfare swamp" - Mark Steyn)
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To: investigateworld
Dealing with subjects who haven't prepared themselves and who want what you got is going to be a serious issue.

That's why it is critical for law abiding, moral citizens to stay armed. When governmental law enforcement is absent...you have to enforce the very basics yourself...such as, not stealing from others. Unarmed, you become defenseless.

The 2nd amendment is a good anti-dote for the interim until basic services can be restored, and in fact thereafter as well...to keep the governmental part in check as well (which is what it was intended for).

71 posted on 09/06/2005 4:36:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: cva66snipe
Agreed!

Earlier Squantos also mentioned communications and I indicated in a response that this was a very basic ingredient and necessity I had left out. It should mst definitely be a part of the 96 hour kit as number eleven to include an AM radio (Squantos highly recommends XM), a portable scanner, and perhaps a couple of 2-ways.

Thank you my friend for the great input.

72 posted on 09/06/2005 4:39:03 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
Great input! Excellent advise on both specific items and the logistics of packing and carrying those items.

Never can get enough good advise. It is then up to us each to apply it to our individual circumstances and situation.

73 posted on 09/06/2005 4:40:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Gritty

Thank you. I hope others, particularly my own, will benefit from it.


74 posted on 09/06/2005 4:41:23 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Republic

Get a gun and...
take a gun safety course before loading it or doing anything with it.
Then, find someone who knows guns WELL and have them teach you how to shoot.
Find a firing range and go practice regularly.
If you have kids in your home, keep your gun WELL out of reach, preferably in a locked cabinet.


75 posted on 09/06/2005 4:52:33 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: Jeff Head

Good stuff. Thanks.


76 posted on 09/06/2005 4:59:33 AM PDT by Musket
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To: Muzzle_em

Great post. Well stated.

This is a really comprehensive list of what to have ready in the event of a disaster. I found it when looking for "disaster preparedness kit":

http://www.equipped.com/earthqk.htm


77 posted on 09/06/2005 5:21:16 AM PDT by serpentineshel
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To: serpentineshel

Thanks for that link. Great stuff. The more info the better.


78 posted on 09/06/2005 5:35:18 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Musket

You are welcome.


79 posted on 09/06/2005 5:35:32 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

bumping a great thread


80 posted on 09/06/2005 5:41:46 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
Thank you my friend...hopefully we all will learn our own very critical lessons (many of them we are learning for the umpteenth time) and apply them in our personal lives and pass them on to those around us.

The more who do that, the less victims there will be with each instance of such disater.

81 posted on 09/06/2005 5:43:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Exactly what has been bouncing around in my mind for the last eight days.

You had the good sense and writing prowess to put it to paper.

The only element of the formula (unfortunately) that does not fit for foreigners living in earthquake rich Japan, for example, is that there will be no personal procurement and keeping of firearms and ammunition. Other than that, the advice is sound in any country.OTOH, there will be about 0% worries of theft, violence and looting in the event of a major disaster or pandemic in Japan.OTOH, even less reliance should be placed on the government in Japan in the event of a disaster. The US is still far ahead in crisis management. It is accordingly difficult to say WHICH country, Japan or the US, one would would to be stuck in after such a calamity....

82 posted on 09/06/2005 5:51:45 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: Jeff Head

Bookmarked! Sending to lots of friends, particularly the ones I KNOW are NOT PREPARED. They need the advice the most.


83 posted on 09/06/2005 5:54:15 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: Jeff Head

good advice


84 posted on 09/06/2005 6:01:29 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: N8VTXNinWV

Ping-a-ling


85 posted on 09/06/2005 6:01:48 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Jeff Head

No problem...I've been fortunate not to have needed anything like this before, but have decided to be ready now anyways.

I recently moved to South Carolina and the people here remember Hugo...at that time I was in Florida!

I do, however, remember growing up in Florida and my mom being woefully unprepared for the hurricanes we went through while my dad was off on an air craft carrier (Navy) and she was at home by herself with 4 kids. Scary.


86 posted on 09/06/2005 6:24:45 AM PDT by serpentineshel
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; Jeff Head
Let me fix it properly

Local ANY politicians is not prepared or equipped or really care to provide help to citizens in a major natural disaster.

As is evident by the bickering between them trying to shift blame from one place to the next they only care about themselves...

87 posted on 09/06/2005 6:26:27 AM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: Brad's Gramma; Squantos

Now our innocent little 'Ol Granny would never do anything like make 'Shine now would she?<;O)

It's really emergency gasoline...

88 posted on 09/06/2005 6:37:06 AM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: Jeff Head

WOW! Thank you.


89 posted on 09/06/2005 6:40:05 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: Republic
I want to own a gun, but I am afraid of them. Perhaps I don't trust myself.

Get a BB Pistol. It looks like the real thing. My son has one.

90 posted on 09/06/2005 6:42:06 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: AmericanInTokyo
OTOH, there will be about 0% worries of theft, violence and looting in the event of a major disaster or pandemic in Japan

I fear that such an assessment depends on how long the crisis lasts (ie. how long are the masses of people without services), and how well they are personally and individually prepared. If the former extends beyond the latter by any appreciable amount of time, then there will be the danger of looting, theft, and violence.

91 posted on 09/06/2005 6:59:41 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Freee-dame

Thanks. Hope we are all in a position to be as personally prepared and responsible as possible.


92 posted on 09/06/2005 7:00:16 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: serpentineshel
That is a scary scenario. Generally, military moms depend on the base and its support structure to provide relief and assistance. Problem is, when the entire base becomes a victim, this is not possible.

I have a daughter with two kids whose husband is active duty Navy. We have tried to teach all of our children to be personally prepared and ready to move out of danger in such a crisis. She is, and would.

93 posted on 09/06/2005 7:02:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: N8VTXNinWV
You are welcome. Feel free to spread it around.

Hope as many people as possible can be as prepared as possible in such circumstances.

94 posted on 09/06/2005 7:12:09 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Will do!


95 posted on 09/06/2005 7:14:55 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: Jeff Head; glock rocks; Eaker; joanie-f; Brad's Gramma
I recall that the people who took refuge in the Superdome were told to bring three days of food and water with them to the Superdome. One lady showed up with half a bottle of diet Coke, when questioned about where her three days of food and water were, she replied, "The Red Cross will take care of us."

FEMA was never designed to be an instant response relief system but the Mayor of NO and Governor of Louisiana didn't appear to know that.

This is an email I sent to Geraldo and Shep after their emotional report about the people who were stuck on the Interstate without any "directions for four days without food or water".

Geraldo & Shep,

I saw your emotional reports about the people suffering their way through Katrina. You guys aren't fools. This isn't your first disaster.

Why didn't you tell the young men who had shoes on their feet to go out and find food and water for the elderly, the women and children? So what if they have to walk 10 or 20 miles to keep the babies and moms fed? Fifty young men could have gone to the food stores and instead of looting for Nikes sneakers, watches or electronics, loot for subsistence materials to keep their own families alive. Carry the materials back to the needy in shopping carts or in back packs, whatever is necessary.

Tell the people that hot water heaters have 30 or 40 gallons of drinkable water in them. Wipe the bathtub with Clorox and fill it with water before a city loses it's water pressure, don't bitch about not having anything to drink if you can't think 12 hours ahead!

I think either of you could have made a serious contribution to the recovery effort if you had used your heads and given these people directions on how to stay alive. I do hope to see a better performance from you both during the next hurricane.

Sincerely,

"The Red Cross will take care of us."

When I hear remarks like this I fully understand why this lady expected the Red Cross to take care of them. She is a part of society that the government has taken care of from the moment she was born. Her mother received monthly checks from the local and state welfare agencies, she receives them now also. Never having held a job or had a mortgage, self responsibility was not a part of her upbringing nor is it a part of her character today.

There will always be people such as her who demand that we take care of them and why shouldn't she expect us to? After all we have done it all of her life. What makes the fact that a hurricane was approaching any different? Do we really expect that she is going to know how to take care of her kids during a disaster? Come on, get real!

The law states that when a mandatory evacuation is called it is the city or states responsibility to make sure that everyone who cannot provide for themselves must be provided for by the officials. That is just a fact of life today.

I laughed when Jesse Jackson started on his rant about "they are not refugees". Can someone explain to me just what these people are who do not have a home or a job to return to are? They left the city to take refuge in a safer place. People who could, evacuated the city on their own, those who couldn't were provided refuge by the officials.
96 posted on 09/06/2005 7:15:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: Squantos; Brad's Gramma

"Or ya can take yer tea kettle, rip out some copper water line and curl it around the baseball bat ya keep and coil it to "distill" dirty water to clean by boiling it and letting the steam condense in the copper coil attached to the kettle."

It's my understanding that some chemicals will transfer with the steam and remain in the resulting water. True False?


97 posted on 09/06/2005 7:19:43 AM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: Jeff Head

Bernie and "the boys at the dump", Brett, Pocat, jimmy, rick, the Colonial and, others have rented a travel bus for us to all ride together 140 miles west to Bowling Green, Ky: on Sept 19th 6:30pm at the Sloan Convention Center.

This is the 2nd year for the gathering of the Bluegrass Institute www.bipps.org/367 (a Ky conservative think tank)

Oh, the keynote speaker is Congressman Ron Paul who's most excited about making the trip since his son, Rand and family live nearby.

I wish you could be with us again.


98 posted on 09/06/2005 7:24:37 AM PDT by the irate magistrate
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To: Mulder

"get home bag"

I have also heard of the scat bag being referred to as a GOOD bag. "Get out of Dodge" bag.


99 posted on 09/06/2005 7:24:54 AM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: B4Ranch
When I hear remarks like this I fully understand why this lady expected the Red Cross to take care of them. She is a part of society that the government has taken care of from the moment she was born. Her mother received monthly checks from the local and state welfare agencies, she receives them now also. Never having held a job or had a mortgage, self responsibility was not a part of her upbringing nor is it a part of her character today. There will always be people such as her who demand that we take care of them and why shouldn't she expect us to? After all we have done it all of her life. What makes the fact that a hurricane was approaching any different? Do we really expect that she is going to know how to take care of her kids during a disaster?

Agreed completely. And of course, such indivduals, having sucked at the tet of the nanny state...having been taught that this is precisely what they should do...will not have an easy time getting off that teat.

That is precisely the reason for enumerating lessons three, four and five in this thread. We have to teach people what a callous, potentially deadly scenario they are caught up in, one that can literally kill them in such circumstances.

100 posted on 09/06/2005 7:27:51 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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