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Polish politics: confused? You ought to be
Radio Polonia ^ | September 6, 2005

Posted on 09/06/2005 11:37:50 AM PDT by lizol

Polish politics: confused? You ought to be

With a general election only weeks away, and a presidential election early next month, you will often be hearing descriptions of the various political parties as either being right, left, liberal, moderate and so on. Warning: these labels in Poland can be very confusing.

Take, for example, the leading political party in most of the opinion polls at the moment, Civic Platform. I have seen them variously described as liberal, centrist, center/right, rightist, and even neo-conservative.

The term ‘liberal’ is doubly confusing as it means different things on different sides of the Atlantic. In the United States ‘liberal’ is generally seen as being left of center. To an American right-winger, a liberal is a ‘pinko’ who believes in Big Government. During the McCarthy trials in the nineteen fifties a liberal was a communist (although we should remember that having a significant amount of facial hair in nineteen fifties made you a communist in America).

In Europe, however, a liberal means someone who believes that the government should do less, not more.. To ‘liberalize’ the economy means to roll back state intervention. A liberal in Europe can mean a right-winger who believes in small government.

But what does a ‘neo-conservative’ mean? Does this mean Civic Platform is Poland’s first party of neo-con? Does this mean that Civic Platform share the foreign policy ideology of a Paul Wolfewitz and Donald Rumsfeld, for example? And if they do share this view of the world, then how does that make Civic Platform ‘moderate-centrists?

Confused? You will be.

If you take look at Civic Platform’s manifesto it basically consist of liberal (in the European meaning of the term) economic policies – meaning increased privatization, and a low, flat tax policy. But on social issues the ‘liberal’ Civic Platform is relatively conservative – they do not propose to ‘liberalize’ Poland’s very restrictive abortion laws, for instance.

Liberal, free market economics, plus social conservatism are actually policies associated with Margaret Thatcher. And if you called Maggie Thatcher a centrist-moderate, or even a center-rightist, she would give you a sharp crack over the head with her handbag. Thatcher was a radical right-winger. Period.

And Civic Platform are rightwing. Period.

Confused yet? Well, it gets worse.

Take what have been called the ‘far-right’ League of Polish Families. These are ‘christian nationalists’, with a nationalist pedigree that goes back to the nineteen thirties. Historian Norman Davies has described The League of Polish Families nationalist, forbears as ‘professional anti-Semites.’ So they do sound like typical far-rightists in their choice of prejudices. But when the League of Polish Families was set up as a political party a few years ago I saw them labeled as ‘christian left’ – whatever that means. For sure, their policies are based on an interpretation of Polish social Catholicism; they are isolationists – they hate the EU, for example, as they think that Poland will become inundated with social liberals (in both the American and European meaning), abortionists and gays and lesbians. They also want to restrict the amount of foreign capital in Poland.

So are they left, or right?

The Law and Justice party was set up by the Kaczynski twins, Lech and Jaroslaw. They have been described as ‘conservative’, ‘right wing’, or even, sometimes, ‘center/right’. They have promised to be tough on crime and criminals, even going as far as to bring back the death penalty. These types of anti-crime policies are usually associated with the political right. Economically – and here’s the twist - Law and Justice are, if anything, to the left of the so-called ‘centrist’ Civic Platform, but to the right of the so-called ‘christian leftists’, the League of Polish Families. And so it goes on. I will deal with other terms like ‘populism’ and the like in another letter.

But at a time when left and right are all but loosing their meaning in the west, in Poland, where these labels are quite new to the political scene, they are all but useless. Politics in ex-communist countries is peculiar to ex-communist countries. So using the terminology of left, right, etc, has little meaning outside of the country where the terms are being used.

But journalists will still be using them. And if you think that you are confused by Polish politics, spare a thought for the poor old Polish voter, who will have to choose where to put their tick beside the name of a party, or individual, that could be labeled as either liberal, centrist, rightists, moderate, neo-conservative, or all of them simultaneously.

And people wonder why turnout in Poland is so low!


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KEYWORDS: election; poland; politics

1 posted on 09/06/2005 11:37:52 AM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 09/06/2005 11:40:59 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
Take what have been called the ‘far-right’ League of Polish Families. These are ‘christian nationalists’, with a nationalist pedigree that goes back to the nineteen thirties.

They sound like the 'Endecja.'

3 posted on 09/06/2005 11:53:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Absolutely, every inch of it. In fact they are today's "incarnation" of Endecja.


4 posted on 09/06/2005 11:55:59 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol
I don't find it confusing at all. Right and left haven't meant anything in the west for a long time. Republicans are supposed to be socially restrictive and fiscally liberal while Democrats are supposed to be socially liberal and fiscally restrictive. In other words both right and left in exactly opposite ways from each other.

In reality, both are big government supporters of restrictive policies both fiscal and social.

At least Polish voters have a choice of many different parties to chose from. US voters have only two choices, bad or worse and sometimes it is difficult to decide which is which.
5 posted on 09/06/2005 11:56:01 AM PDT by monday
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To: lizol

Civic Platform in Poloand, the CDU in Germany; Chirac a lame duck in France - oh my! ;)


6 posted on 09/06/2005 11:57:36 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: dfwgator

LPR, they are economically far left.


7 posted on 09/06/2005 11:58:21 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Heatseeker
Civic Platform in Poloand, the CDU in Germany; Chirac a lame duck in France - oh my! ;)

Chirac is also conservative don’t you see it? :-)

8 posted on 09/06/2005 11:59:33 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz

I've always said Chirac is about as good as you're going to get out of France.


9 posted on 09/06/2005 12:02:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lizol

It helps to break things up into social conservatism (such a pro-life) and free market economic or fiscal conservatism (free trade & privatization/small govt).


10 posted on 09/06/2005 12:37:23 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: dfwgator

I hope no but now France look like our eternal opponent in the EU.


11 posted on 09/06/2005 12:40:05 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: jb6

Ping


12 posted on 09/06/2005 1:43:21 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Lukasz
French politics - now THAT'S confusing! Chrirac is Gaullist. My current replacement favorite is Sarkozy. As far away as New Zealand, the center right is poised to win an election this month.

Right-wingers of the world, unite! ;)

13 posted on 09/06/2005 2:04:14 PM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: lizol

I think all this "right wing" or "left wing" terminology is hopelessly outdated and does not cover all the complexities of different political positions whether in relation to Poland or any other country.


14 posted on 09/16/2005 8:57:14 AM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973
Agree, and the political situation here in Poland has become really pretty "special" recently - proving your view.

Mabye you've noticed somewhere, that the main leftist presidential candidate Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz had withdrawn from presidential elections.
In case you haven't - here you have something about it:

Down and out (main left wing candidate quits presidential race in Poland)

In Poland the Left - in fact - means post-communists.

And - after Cimoszewicz has withdrawn - this presidential election will be the first time, when people will choose not relating to the past (postcommunist vs. anti-communist) - as both remaining cadidates who really count in the election (Kaczynski and Tusk) have beautiful record of anti-communist activity before 1989.

Both are more (Kaczynski - "a hawk") or less (Tusk - "a dove") socially conservative too.

This will be the first time, when the Poles will decide what economical vision they prefer - more liberal (Tusk - "a hawk") or more social (Kaczynski - "a dove").

So which one is rightist and which one is leftist?

Looks like Poland hass grown up, as far as democracy is concerned.
15 posted on 09/16/2005 9:22:48 AM PDT by lizol
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