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Fear and Loathing in Washington, DC (Over Harriet Miers)
Southern Pundit ^ | 9-10-2005 | James P

Posted on 10/10/2005 5:55:27 AM PDT by JamesP81

I am a bit confused.

Bush was re-elected by his conservative base on the understanding that he would appoint strict constructionist judges with traditional values.

Bush chose Harriet Miers to replace Sandra Day O’Connor. Miers is pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, and is definitely not a judicial activist. Exactly the kind of person Bush’s base wanted.

And all I have heard over the last week is wailing, crying, moaning, sulking, and general hell-raising from conservatives......

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: harrietmiers; miers; nominations; nominees; scotus; supremecourt

1 posted on 10/10/2005 5:55:28 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81
IMHO, the "base" indeed does want a judicial activist.

The "wingers" on both ends of the spectrum desire to advance their individual philosophies.

2 posted on 10/10/2005 6:00:03 AM PDT by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: verity
The "wingers" on both ends of the spectrum desire to advance their individual philosophies.

Bill... Bill O'Reilly?!

3 posted on 10/10/2005 6:04:45 AM PDT by johnny7 (ďNah, I ainít Jewish, I just donít dig on swine, thatís all.Ē)
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To: johnny7

Are you a "winger"?


4 posted on 10/10/2005 6:10:24 AM PDT by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: JamesP81
"Miers is pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, and is definitely not a judicial activist. Exactly the kind of person Bush’s base wanted."
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and the author knows this HOW? from her long record? from her public speaking?? from dissertations on the law and the Constitution?
OR by divine inspiration?
the lotto queen miers is imo much more likly to be a liberal hiding behind a pathologic drive to be unkown to even her closest associates...very disturbing
5 posted on 10/10/2005 6:12:36 AM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (A sucker is born every minute..what are the voters?)
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To: verity

No... I'm a leg-man.


6 posted on 10/10/2005 6:15:54 AM PDT by johnny7 (ďNah, I ainít Jewish, I just donít dig on swine, thatís all.Ē)
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To: johnny7
"No... I'm a leg-man."

LMAO.

Seriously - IMHO, almost everything is agenda driven.

7 posted on 10/10/2005 6:22:06 AM PDT by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: verity

I've resigned myself to just making flippant quips about the Miers bru-haha.


8 posted on 10/10/2005 6:51:05 AM PDT by johnny7 (ďNah, I ainít Jewish, I just donít dig on swine, thatís all.Ē)
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To: johnny7
It's unfortunate, but it's probably the best one can do now, anyway. I didn't seriously expect to change anyone's mind with my article. But I do, for some perverse reason, enjoy stirring up a pack of sharks to just to watch them.

As for how I know she's pro-life, I figured I didn't need to link that. The article was linked to on another FR thread. I don't really have time to dig it up right now, as my boss expects me to, you know, work. Bosses are kind of funny like that for some reason :)
9 posted on 10/10/2005 7:42:18 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

My prediction is that Miers will vote to overturn Roe. She will be pro-business, but hold an O'Connor-like position on affirmative action. That's likely the area where conservatives will be most disappointed.


10 posted on 10/10/2005 8:33:05 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: Callahan
That's likely the area where conservatives will be most disappointed.

That's possible. But, taken as a whole package, she seems to be a reasonably good deal to me.
11 posted on 10/10/2005 8:45:35 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Callahan

"My prediction..."

But why must we all wonder what kind of justice she's going to be when Bush could have done the right thing by appointing a known conservative-constructioninst that requires no divining and would have brought another battle for the lefties to lose in this, our culture war?


12 posted on 10/10/2005 8:49:46 AM PDT by driveserve
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To: Callahan
That's likely the area where conservatives will be most disappointed.

I don't know what a "conservative" is anymore, or who they define as their ideal leader. Pat Buchanan? John McCain? Bill Kristol? Ann Coulter? George Will? Ross Perot?

Do only Christians of certain Protestant denominations qualify as "conservative?" Or maybe only folks devoted to gun rights? Or only folks who are anti-abortion? Anti-affirmative action? Anti-euthanasia? Anti-big government (whatever that means anymore)? Anti-immigration (illegal or otherwise)? These are the hot-button issues, at least on FR. The policy issues I care most about get very little, if any, support.

I want true, massive tax reform, for example. I support states rights and a scaling back of the role of the federal government in so many aspects of public policy.

I haven't got a clue anymore what defines "conservative." Why? Those who speak most loudly for "conservatives," appear to be filled with hate, venom, snobbery, and other qualities that are a huge turnoff to me. And they rarely, if ever, espouse policies that matter to me.

13 posted on 10/10/2005 9:00:10 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm." GWB, 1/20/01)
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To: JamesP81

If Harriet Miers is confirmed and votes the way President Bush says she will, then the President will look like the ultimate Conservative and his constituency will back him 100%. President Bush will emerge as a true conservative Guru.


14 posted on 10/10/2005 9:21:23 AM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: driveserve

"But why must we all wonder what kind of justice she's going to be when Bush could have done the right thing by appointing a known conservative-constructioninst that requires no divining and would have brought another battle for the lefties to lose in this, our culture war?"

The "why" is probably due to the lack of spine already shown by the Senate Republicans in the "Gang of 14" on appellate court nominees. Bush doesn't want to have to nominate another Anthony Kennedy after losing confirmation battles over Edith Jones and Janice Rogers Brown because of the GOP nervous nellies in the Senate.

Personally, I want all-out war with the Democrats, and I'm not happy with the Miers nomination because of the fear of the unknown, the "Souter factor". But I will be satisfied if Miers turns out to be a strict constructionist ala Scalia and Thomas, regardless of her paper trail and lack of judicial experience. If she is not a strict constructionist, then "W" will have had his "Read my lips: no new taxes" moment that he has so desperately tried to avoid.


15 posted on 10/10/2005 9:51:56 AM PDT by Deo et Patria (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: Deo et Patria
A former insider who worked on the Senate committee that vetted nominees told me this:

On a scale of 1 to 10 Miers is a "2".

Miers in Bush's Homer Thornberry - who is that? - the SCOTUS nominee from Texas who LBJ tried to appoint on his way out of office. Old crony and US Rep who replaced him.

Lack of will for a fight caused this result.
16 posted on 10/10/2005 11:03:21 AM PDT by Benkei (War, I love the smell of frying Democrats in the morning)
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To: Benkei

I have a tough time buying this, and here's why:

1) The president and his advisers KNOW that the judiciary is a hot button issue that could cost them their electoral majority. If they drop the ball on this (because of a supposed fear of fighting with libs), they tarnish everything that they've done, and Bush will be judged to have broken his word.

2)The president, to his credit, has NEVER been someone to back away from a fight. Also, he personally knows the stakes of an activist judiciary (see Bush v. Gore) and is committed to reforming it. I think that he believes that Miers is a predictable vote that he can count on for years, and who can be confirmed with a minimum amount of effort.


17 posted on 10/10/2005 11:32:42 AM PDT by Deo et Patria (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: JamesP81
Miers is pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, and is definitely not a judicial activist.

Miers has also had tied to radical feminism, is pro-affirmative action, pro-women in combat and pro-Title IX. There is also evidence she is soft on the death penalty.

What do Miers opponents want? A conservative judge with a proven track record?

Why in the world would anyone in their right believe this strategy of appointing stealth candidates is going to work out after 25 years of it failing? It's the same cycle over and over again and conservatives never seem to have enough intelligence to realize that is doesn't work.

18 posted on 10/10/2005 1:57:11 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Ol' Sparky
There is also evidence she is soft on the death penalty

So am I. Another plus. As for stealth candidates, I have to say, it worked reasonably well with Rehnquist, whose judicial experience was minimal before sitting on the court.
19 posted on 10/10/2005 2:08:38 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

The entire issue is not what she MIGHT do, but what she WILL do.

We know what several conservative judges who HAVE done the right thing (literally and politically speaking), why not nominate them?

If the legal counsel of the ACLU can be put on the court (Ginsberg) why the heck can't a 100% conservative be nominated at least?

The entire issue boils down to the Left's new religion - abortion on demand. It isn't a litmus test, it's an article of faith they demand. Convert or be gone, ye heathen!

When I heard Miers supported trying U. S. military members in international courts, that was enough for me. Vote her down, get her to step aside - crush her like the enemy she is, drive her before you, and hear the lamentations of that woman (to borrow from Conan)!


20 posted on 10/10/2005 3:30:31 PM PDT by Benkei (What is not good for a life term)
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To: Deo et Patria

"If she is not a strict constructionist, then "W" will have had his "Read my lips: no new taxes" moment that he has so desperately tried to avoid."

He gets to be derided by his own party/country for the rest of his life. Meanwhile, we all get a Ms. Souter for about 30 some odd years. We still get the short end of that stick.


21 posted on 10/10/2005 9:46:23 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: Benkei
When I heard Miers supported trying U. S. military members in international courts, that was enough for me.

I appreciate you addressing this matter in a non-shrill way. Someone finally gave me a good reason why Miers might not be the best choice.

I'll be Googling that later on tonight, to find out for myself. But thanks for the tip.
22 posted on 10/11/2005 6:05:50 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81

Here is a link to a report supposedly submitted by Miers to the ABA: http://www.abanet.org/leadership/sneak2.html

Note the section on International Law.


23 posted on 10/11/2005 11:52:22 AM PDT by Benkei (The horror)
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