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WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN?
spiritoftruth.org ^ | October 2nd, 2005 | J. Adams

Posted on 10/23/2005 4:30:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

(Above is an image that appeared on a known al Qaeda chat site with an apocalyptic video.
The site disappeared within hours of the image and video's appearance.)


WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN?

J. Adams
October 2nd, 2005

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"If a nuclear weapon is detonated on American soil and they say it is Arab terrorists, don't believe it."

- Col. Stanislav Lunev, a Russian military defector (source)


According to an alarming teaser-of-an-article posted on WorldNetDaily last Friday, Al Qaeda may be set to deliver an "American Hiroshima" this month during the Islamic holy time of Ramadan. If you want to find out about this unprecedented threat to U.S. national security and the lives of millions of Americans, you need only pay Joe Farah $9.95 per month or $99 for a full year subscription to his G2 Intelligence Bulletin. Personally I think that if intelligence regarding such a threat does indeed exist, one should freely make the details available rather than seek to make a buck off it. But I guess this is where I and Joe Farah differ.

10/16 UPDATE: It looks like Joe Farah and Paul Williams were aware of what I presented in this article: GLOBAL JIHAD -
Risk high for Ramadan mega-terror: Many bin Laden followers see him as 'Mahdi'
(or at least they have since seen my article). Also see, Ramadan and nuke terror: Is 'American Hiroshima' set for this month?, which is not my work.

Unfortunately, there is reason to give some credence to the notion that a threat of nuclear terrorism, or at least the most unprecedented wave of al Qaeda terror since 9/11, looms for October 2005. Here's why.


HISTORICAL CYCLES

I started as a student of cycles of history. In particularly, I am knowledgeable about long-term historical cycles like the 60-year Kondratieff economic wave of prosperity and depression and Elliott Waves of even longer potential historical relevance. (Of course, it is hard to gather much information on the Elliott Wave Principle because it has been monopolized by Robert Prechter for his own personal financial benefit). According to the long-waves of history, we are currently at the peak of Western Civilization....an Elliott Wave "Grand Supercycle" top.

This peak is reflected by the DJIA trading above the psychologically critical 10,000 mark over the past half decade:

I've long maintained that a decisive reversal below Dow 10,000 will likely mark the onset of a Grand Supercycle collapse that, given the incredible historical scale of these cycles, probably entails the collapse of Western civilization.

The long running question in the minds of long-term cyclical analysts like myself is: "What will precipitate the collapse of Western civilization?"

While Robert Prechter and the like are focused on the threat of an economic collapse caused by gross financial excesses and imbalances in the U.S. and global economy, I think they are missing the big picture. The DJIA trading above the 10,000 mark, a bubble in real estate prices, unprecedented levels of consumer, business and government indebtedness....these are all symptomatic of "irrational exuberance" stemming from a maximum of global consumption. In other words, man's self-confidence is at an all-time high as the world is immersed in an ultimate level of collective greed. The upset of the West's manic mood and irrationally optimistic outlook will involve financial and economic collapse, but this will occur AS PART OF negative historical shocks that reverse the mood of society.

What sort of shocks could occur? We likely received an important hint after the DJIA broke below Dow 10,000 on September 6th of 2001. After that, 9/11 occurred along with 'al Qaeda' terrorist attacks that brought down the Twin Towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, the ultimate symbols of American capitalism and imperialism in the world, respectively (at least as the West's erstwhile enemies in the East see it). The hard truth of the matter is that there are aggressive enemies of Western society and their successes, like 9/11, is our unexpected undoing. The negative surprise that a Grand Supercycle collapse in stock prices and Western expectations entails may come in the form of successful blows against the free world by freedom's foes.


OCTOBER 2005

As is explained in my August 24th Stock Market Crash Alert, there is reason to believe that the next major leg down in the unfolding Grand Supercycle collapse of Western Civilization may occur this month in some facet. Why?

As strange as this seems this prognostication is based upon the fact that a solar eclipse will occur on October 3rd followed by a lunar eclipse on October 17th. Historically, stock market crashes tend to occur around the time of eclipses and most often during the month of October. A simple for instance of this occurred in 1987. The stock market topped out in August of that year and then started to reverse with panic selling developing into a crash after a solar/lunar eclipse pair into October 7th.

As it turns out, the eclipses this October may be of particular significance with regard to potential historical shocks in the form of terrorist attacks and/or war because of what America's enemies believe.

The solar eclipse tomorrow also entails the new moon after which the Islamic holy month of Ramadan begins. According to Yossef Bodansky, who authored the book Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America years before 9/11, al Qaeda is planning a "Great Ramadan Offensive" designed to create a "fateful confrontation" with the U.S. and Israeli forces in the Middle East. In a report to the U.S. Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Bodansky warned that "concrete preparations for the consolidation of Islamist-jihadist springboards against the heart and lair of the Great Satan are being completed -- for Western Europe in the Balkans, for Russian and Eastern Europe in Chechnya, and for the United States in the tri-border area in Latin America." Bodansky has long warned that al Qaeda plans to cause mass casualties on an unprecedented scale, most likely using weapons of mass destruction.


OSAMA BIN LADEN & THE MAHDI

That al Qaeda might be planning some sort of unprecedented Ramadan offensive is further suggested by Osama bin Laden's known messianic complex.

Many believe that Osama bin Laden aspires to be a prophetic "Mahdi" of Islam. The Mahdi (guided one) in Islamic eschatology is a prophecy about the redeemer of Islam who will change the world into a perfect society before Yaum al-Qiyamah, literally meaning the "Day of Resurrection" (the end times) (source: Wikipedia). This Mahdi is supposed to usher in a new 'Islamic caliphate', i.e., theocratic empire, that encompasses the entire Muslim world and beyond. Islamic extremists around the world are excitedly anticipating the arrival of the prophetic Mahdi to lead them in Jihad to a victory over the infidels.

It is believed that a solar and lunar eclipse during Ramadan that is visible in the Moslem world will mark the time when the prophesized Islamic Mahdi will become known:

"According to the Ahmaddiya movement, one of the signs which will indicate the emergence of al-Mahdi will be that in the month of Ramadan prior to his emergence two eclipses will occur, one of the sun and one of the moon, both being visible from the Middle East and Arabia. These signs are said to have been visible right after the claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be the Promised Messiah and Mahdi, and are supposed to happen again during Ramadan AH 1426 (roughly October 2005). These claims are disputed by many non-Ahmadi Muslims." - Wikipedia

The solar and lunar eclipse this month marking Ramadan are visible in the Moslem world and seem to fit the Islamic Mahdi prophecy.

If, indeed, Osama bin Laden aspires to be the Mahdi, then he might be planning to use this year's month of Ramadan, marked by solar and lunar eclipses witnessed in the Islamic world, to carry out attacks of prophetic scale, and this might mean terrorism with weapons of mass destruction. But does al Qaeda have such potent weaponry?


BIOTERROR AND/OR AN 'AMERICAN HIROSHIMA'?

The work of Ross Getman highlights the potential for al Qaeda to engage in bioterrorism, particularly using weaponized Anthrax like occurred with the 2001 Anthrax mailings right after 9/11. It is noteworthy how the letters sent in the Anthrax mailings noted, "This is next":

Given that know one has ever been caught for the Anthrax mailings, it is reasonable to presume the letters were sent by who was implied: al Qaeda. Thus, at the least one should be concerned that bin Laden's terrorist network is armed for bioterror.

(Above image taken from a known al Qaeda discussion forum.The image above the nuclear explosion is of a suitcase nuke.)

Even more disturbing is the warning of Paul Williams, author of Osama's Revenge: THE NEXT 9/11 : What the Media and the Government Haven't Told You
and The Al Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime, And the Coming Apocalypse, who is convinced that al Qaeda has operational nuclear weapons and is planning an "American Hiroshima". From pages 193 to 194 of his new book, we read the following conclusions:

  1. There are fully assembled nuclear weapons in bin Laden's arsenal. The only disagreement comes with the number. The Russians say twelve to fifteen; the Saudis claim forty to seventy.

  2. Bin Laden obtained these weapons through his connections with the Chechen rebels and the Russian Mafia.
  3. The Chechen rebels helped to recruit Soviet scientists and SPETSNAZ technicians so that the weapons could be properly assembled and maintained.
  4. The location of the weapons remains unknown, but a stockpile was in Afghanistan before the launching of Operation Enduring Freedom on October 7, 2001.

  5. Several nuclear weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines, rucksacks, and crude tactical nuclear warheads, have been forward-deployed to the United States.
  6. Thousands of sleeper agents are estimated to be in place throughout the United States.
  7. Many of the agents, including Adnan el-Shukrijumah, Anas al-Liby, Jaber A. Elbaneh and Amer el-Maati, have been trained in nuclear technology.

  8. Nuclear supplies and materials have been transported across the Mexican border into the US.
  9. The next attack is planned to occur simultaneously at various sites throughout the country. Certain targets include Boston, New York, Washington, DC, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
  10. Muslim terrorist organizations throughout the world, including Hezbollah, have been aiding al Qaeda in this massive undertaking.

(For a thorough examination of Paul Williams' views, please see J.R. Nyquist's "Does Al Qaeda Have Nuclear Weapons?", Part 1 & Part 2.)

All in all, if al Qaeda has weaponized Anthrax and/or operational nukes and Osama bin Laden deems this month's Ramadan of prophetic significance for his leading a worldwide Jihad, then it seems there is grave danger in the days and/or weeks ahead for America and her allies.


14,000 DAYS?

Interestingly, the Islamic prophetic importance attached to October 2005 coincides with a similar sort of significance accorded by some Christians.

A quick Google of "14,000 days" reveals a series of web sites dedicated to arguments about how Rosh Hoshanah 2005, the Jewish New Year that will occur Tuesday, coincides with a date 14,000 days after Israel took control of Jerusalem on June 7th, 1967 during the Six Days Arab/Israeli War.

This October 04, 2005, Rosh Hashana, is EXACTLY 14,000 days from June 07, 1967.

The significance of June 07, 1967 is this:

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

According to this verse; the Jews would be dispersed through out the world and Jerusalem would be trodden, or trampled, by the gentiles, or nations, until "the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled". Exactly 14,000 days from Jesus' proclamation of the destruction of Jerusalem, it happened in AD 70, as Jerusalem was surrounded by Titus Vespasian. The Jews were also dispersed throughout the world, just as Jesus had predicted. It is interesting that the Jews have always maintained their identity regardless of what nation they were in. For example: Russian Jews, Romanian Jews, Polish Jews, German Jews, Ethiopian Jews, etc... YHWH, the actual name of GOD, promised that He would bring His people back. This happened in May 14, 1948 when Israel became a nation, born overnight. Jews have been returning to their homeland. Jerusalem was still in gentile hands, though, until June 07, 1967 after the Six day war. YHWH brought a miraculous victory for His people. The Jews were outnumbered and out gunned significantly, but were victorious through GOD. Jerusalem is no longer under gentile control. Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. I and many others believe that "This generation" is the generation of June 07, 1967. Take 14,000 days from this date, a biblical generation, and you come to October 04, 2005. This day is also a very significant feast, Rosh Hashana. (reference)


What does this mean? I'm not certain. But it suggests that the period we are entering is of significance to Christian Messianism as well as Islamic Mahdism.


WHAT I DO KNOW

Should something unthinkable occur in the days and/or weeks ahead, it is important that people recognize things are not what they appear to be. More specifically, there is reason to believe the world has been grossly deceived up to now and the upset of misled popular expectations is what the coming Grand Supercycle collapse is all about. Russia's ruling elite, in collusion with Moslem extremist forces, have long since made plans for global dominance via a surprise third world war against the U.S. and her allies.

Back in 1991, as I was studying long-wave cycles and contemplating the Grand Supercycle "crash", God gave me a brief glimpse into the future. What I foresaw was a chemical SCUD missile attack on Israel that would be followed by a global nuclear war. I've since concluded that this could unfold only because the underlying strategic intentions of Russia and the Communist East never changed with the breakup of the Soviet Union and the seeming demise of the Russian nuclear threat. In fact, Moscow has been pursuing a long-term strategy to mislead the Western powers into a false sense of security for the purpose of a nuclear surprise attack that would destroy Western civilization and open the way for Russian domination of the world.

Moscow's intentions are shaped by a perverse historical messianic complex according to which the former Communist ruling elite believe it is their destiny to counter evil Yid-Masonic Zionist forces vying for world control by unleashing an apocalyptic third world war. Part of their long-term plan has involved gaining control of a seemingly third party terrorist network, i.e., al Qaeda, in order to utilize it as a proxy in order to execute acts of "Grey Terror" during the opening phase a an all-out war with the West.

Accordingly, should al Qaeda terrorism occur involving weapons of mass destruction, it is critical that people recognize this has been intentionally facilitated by Moscow as part of a plan for global military conquest.

What's more, if Russia's plans for global domination remain unchecked, the entire world will find itself under the tyranny of a false kingdom of god headed by no one less than the antichrist himself.

(Gorbachev) is frank, though hardly contrite, about the failures of judgement that led him to promote to senior positions the very men who would plot to overthrow him in 1991.

"How do you explain Judas -- right there next to Jesus Christ?" he asks. "How do you explain that? And Christ did not recognise him for what he was. You could say that's a metaphor."

(The excerpt above is taken from Reuters World Service, December 8, 1996, Sunday, BC cycle, Vital Gorbachev refuses to let go of politics.)


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1 posted on 10/23/2005 4:30:55 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt

whats this, a commercial break?


2 posted on 10/23/2005 4:36:18 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: sure_fine

It appears that it is. I won't waste my money.


3 posted on 10/23/2005 4:42:20 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I'm so mad at myself for reading that drivel that I don't know whether to sh*t or go blind. What a waste of time.


4 posted on 10/23/2005 4:47:52 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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To: sure_fine; R. Scott

This guy isn't selling anything- did I miss something? In fact, he makes disparaging comments about WorldNetDaily doing that.

Those evil Capitalists!


5 posted on 10/23/2005 4:48:49 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: Jaysun

Why? There are some great links in there. Research research research! Then verify and reject the BS.


6 posted on 10/23/2005 4:51:24 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt

"WHAT I DO KNOW..."

Me too. To everything there is a season and a time under heaven.

I just watch both ways when I cross the street, but hey, there's that occasional driver that runs the red. Or, in our area, every other driver....


7 posted on 10/23/2005 4:53:34 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Vegetarian, permaculturalist, cloth wearing, green, peak oil believing Trad Catholic Indie.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Hmmmmmm!!!!!


8 posted on 10/23/2005 4:56:29 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ovrtaxt

What? Actally read something through? Not many around here do. It's so much easier to jump to conclusions...


9 posted on 10/23/2005 4:58:59 AM PDT by DanTheAdmin (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: ovrtaxt

Yes, there were disparaging comments – but a lot of comments on where to find the pay sites, just incase anyone was really terrified enough to want to learn more.


10 posted on 10/23/2005 4:59:12 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: ovrtaxt

This spoon bender used to post here under his own name? How come no longer?


11 posted on 10/23/2005 5:01:50 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: ovrtaxt

The images of the anthrax letters. I had never seen them or knew what they said. Does anyone know if those are the actual letters that transmitted the anthrax?


13 posted on 10/23/2005 5:09:14 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: ovrtaxt

For a terrorist to get maximum bang for his buck, all he has to do is send out rumors of atomic destruction of American cities. It doesn't cost a thing, but makes a lot of people nervous.


14 posted on 10/23/2005 5:18:28 AM PDT by RoadTest (Call Orkin Pest Control! We've got VERMIN!)
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To: steveyp

Good question, .. that was my same first thought upon viewing the image.


15 posted on 10/23/2005 5:18:54 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: steveyp

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/102301.htm


16 posted on 10/23/2005 5:23:41 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Prince Charles

He was pinging the entire forum to his threads, because his threads were that important (we were a much smaller forum in those days, but I'm not exaggerating by much).

One week he went into a pinging frenzy, so much so that most of the comments on his threads were "For the love of God, stop pinging me to this crap already" and "I've asked and asked, now tell me, who do I have to #%^& to get off your #%^&ing ping list?"

And that's when it ended.


17 posted on 10/23/2005 5:26:21 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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18 posted on 10/23/2005 5:27:47 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: hellinahandcart
Oh, yes, I remember well, my question was more sarcastic than inquisitive. He used the name "Spirit_of_Truth_Page" IIRC.

Cheers.

19 posted on 10/23/2005 5:28:50 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: steveyp

Those are the actual letters.


20 posted on 10/23/2005 5:32:11 AM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Prince Charles

spoon bender? lol!


21 posted on 10/23/2005 5:33:37 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt

"Whirled Nuts Daily" says it all.


22 posted on 10/23/2005 5:35:17 AM PDT by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: hellinahandcart; Prince Charles

Really? I had no idea! I posted a banned Freeper- haha

I just thought it was an interesting page to check through. Anyway, that is some rude etiquette- no wonder he got banned.


23 posted on 10/23/2005 5:38:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: stockpirate

Are you a stock trader? If so, what's your opinion of the Elliot Wave theory?


24 posted on 10/23/2005 5:40:32 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt

In before the zot (I wish!)


25 posted on 10/23/2005 5:42:44 AM PDT by gotribe
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To: steveyp
Does anyone know if those are the actual letters that transmitted the anthrax?

Not sure if those letters had anthrax, but I do recall that an analysis of the text convinced experts they were an attempt by someone who wanted to appear to be an Arab, but most likely wasn't. I don't believe Arabs every say Allah is great, they almost always say God is Great.

26 posted on 10/23/2005 5:43:32 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Casloy

The US government is determined to deflect any connection between acts of terrorism and Muslims. 911 could not be denied, of course, but OKC, TWA 800, the OU incident just a few weeks ago, the Bishara kid (they said his last name was Bishop- his father was Syrian) who flew the Cessna into a Tampa skyscraper, the list goes on.

They tried to pin it on Steven Hatfill, who was rightfully indignant and upset at the investigator's refusals to give up on him- finally, they did. Absolute denial by the FBI that Muslims had a role in it.


27 posted on 10/23/2005 5:51:46 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt

.may occur this month in some facet. Why? .......

The last big crash was on October 27. The charts always tell it all if you know where to look.

OBL is Muad Dib.

He read Dune


28 posted on 10/23/2005 5:53:25 AM PDT by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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To: bert

haha

He is the Qwizatz Haderach!!


29 posted on 10/23/2005 5:57:06 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: gotribe; ovrtaxt
Welcome newbee.

Your first post was:
Yep. Bush is nothing if not pragmatic. We'll all vote against Hitlery in '08, base or no base.

Now you post:
In before the zot (I wish!)

Ovrtaxt has been around since '99 and hasn't been zotted yet, so your wish is in vain. I also suspect you will soon be history at FR!

30 posted on 10/23/2005 6:03:04 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-ElRushbo quote.)
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To: All
"The long running question in the minds of long-term cyclical
(don't you mean cynical )
analysts like myself is: "What will precipitate the collapse of Western civilization?"
Nothing. The US is here to stay.God bless the troops, and God bless America!
31 posted on 10/23/2005 6:39:26 AM PDT by rightfielder
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To: Casloy
I don't believe Arabs every say Allah is great, they almost always say God is Great.

Allah akbar

32 posted on 10/23/2005 6:53:15 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: ovrtaxt

I am a stock trader and I have waved at Eleiot on the bus as he passes by, I also wave a nice loking women in tight clothes.

I haven't read his theory but both books I use have extensive chapters dealing with wave theory and his is one of the chapters.

It makes sense due to the fact that everything has a cycle, or almost everything.

If you play golf and stocks check out EGLF.


33 posted on 10/23/2005 11:55:40 AM PDT by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: ovrtaxt
911 could not be denied, of course, but OKC, TWA 800

Just because you want to believe something doesn't make it so. OKC was a couple of nutcases and TWA 800 was a freak accident. Unless you want to believe that several hundred people participated in a vast conspiracy you can't explain how there was no evidence of bomb aboard TWA 800. And, please explain why it is the government doesn't want to blame muslims for terrorism since we are at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, both of which are muslim. Interesting how quickly terrorist take claim for terrorist acts but didn't in either of these cases. Terrorism without credit is of little value to the muslim

34 posted on 10/23/2005 11:56:35 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Casloy

Okay, that's your opinion, fine. But you should really take the opportunity to study the evidence beyond what the MSM spoon feeds you.


35 posted on 10/23/2005 12:31:55 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt
study the evidence beyond what the MSM spoon feeds you.

That is always the response from conspiracy believers, that somehow they have seen special evidence and the rest of us are simply naifs letting ourselves get spoon fed. The MSM LOVES a conspiracy and often create one where none exists. The entire Valerie Plame non-story is nothing more than the media attempting to create a conspiracy where none exists.

36 posted on 10/23/2005 9:19:29 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: Casloy

You've been here since 2004, so maybe you don't realize who you're hanging out with. FR was started by conspiracy theorists. It used to be the Whitewater bulletin board on Prodigy starting around 97.

Now. I realize that some stuff, like this article, pushes the boundaries. I'm not here to promote it so much as test it. Posting it on FR is the best way to get to the truth, because the BS will be revealed. I do this often.

Take the Plame story- there is a cabal of researchers, (I have ping lists full of them) who are ripping that baby to shreds. Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, has been in the crosshairs lately. Same with the DeLay story.

Able Danger is a story where FR and other blogs are on the offensive. We are pretty much carrying that story with talk radio, all alone. Fine. The MSM doesn't want to touch it because the political bloodshed will include too many Clinton people.

OKC is the same way. It's just another episode in the Reno Justice Department's list of arocities. Did you know that Nichols was in the Phillippines before the bombing, meeting with Abu Sayyaf (Al Queda) learning how to make large bombs? Did you know that Zacharias Moussaui was attending the Norman, OK mosque, with a very interesting list of acquaintances? Some former Iraqi soldiers in the mix too. This is only scratching the surface. There was substantial middle eastern involvement there, but again, the MSM won't cover it.

So anyway, I guess we're all tinfoil freaks, and a goon like Dan Rather isn't. He's respectable, because he's part of the "media". Sure.


37 posted on 10/24/2005 4:42:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt
WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN?

I'm about to get a cup of coffee.

38 posted on 10/24/2005 4:52:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Lazamataz

You conspiracy nut!!!


39 posted on 10/24/2005 4:53:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt
You conspiracy nut!!!

Hey. It could happen.

Like my coffee mug?

40 posted on 10/24/2005 4:58:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Lazamataz

Does it abduct you and give you enemas? That'll wake you up!


41 posted on 10/24/2005 5:01:21 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt

whatever....

I think I would be willing to pay Farah to GO AWAY, but not for anything that he puts out. Generally when Farah puts something out, and you do the opposite of what he advocates, then you will be correct 99.9999% of the time...


42 posted on 10/24/2005 5:05:15 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: ovrtaxt
Does it abduct you and give you enemas? That'll wake you up!

(singing) The best part of waking up....

..... is an 80 foot satellite dish sticking out of your a&&!


43 posted on 10/24/2005 5:06:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Casloy

didn't ya know, you can't call Bull$hit if someone doesn't want too and they ALWAYS go for the signup date ya know?


:-)


44 posted on 10/24/2005 5:07:08 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: MikeinIraq

lol- I like him because he's willing to put stuff out that nobody else will touch. He's got a great book out however, that's a good serious piece. Basically, he's calling for patriots to actually DO SOMETHING about the rising undercurrent of Socialism in our country.

You ever hear Les Kinsolving's questions at the WH press briefings? Priceless! McClellan probably hates him.


45 posted on 10/24/2005 5:10:09 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Good comment about the signup date, "Pwnr of noobs". I wasn't hammering him on the date, just expounding on the big picture.
But nevermind the facts...


46 posted on 10/24/2005 5:12:09 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I don't even care who Les whateverhisname is saying.

Farah is a loon.

Anyone else here FASTING for Roy Moore's governorship?

Anyone still working on their Y2K bunker?

Or how about, is anyone here REALLY considering trying to impeach GW Bush?

Farah is a loon. The nice thing about the internet is that loons get their say now. Except MOST bloggers are free, but Farah's blog turned "newsletter" is a payforplay site now.


47 posted on 10/24/2005 5:12:14 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Pwner of Noobs)
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To: MikeinIraq

Well, I don't pay fot it. Let the free market work.


48 posted on 10/24/2005 5:13:25 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Did you know that Nichols was in the Phillippines before the bombing, meeting with Abu Sayyaf (Al Queda) learning how to make large bombs?

No, didn't know that and the reason I don't is because there is absolutely no evidence when he was in the Phillippines he was meeting with muslim terrorists. But, you see, you have taken a small element of fact (he was in the phillippines) and added information that has only been provided by very sketchy people and deduced from that there is a link between OKC and Al Qaeda. It is the exact same thing the Kennedy assasination conspiracy theorists do all the time. Take a tiny little bit of useless information and turn it into a major theory. But, I guess my big question to you is, aftern having implicated Al Qaeda in many terrorist act (african embassies, USS COLE, first Twin Towers attack, barracks in Saudi Arabia) you then state the government wants to avoid implicating muslim terrorists and only "had to" with 9/11 because it was so obvious. Whenever conspiracy theorist get involved in their conspiracies it ALWAYS involves a coverup by the US government for reasons that make absolutely no sense whatsover. We go to war with Iraq on the one hand, but we want to cover up Muslim involvement in terrorism. It's a goofy proposition. The US government is simply incapable of covering anything up. If they could you wouldn't have so many scandals all the time.

49 posted on 10/24/2005 6:21:39 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Casloy
The US government is simply incapable of covering anything up. If they could you wouldn't have so many scandals all the time.

Like the OU kid a couple of weeks ago. The contortions that the authorities and the media performed to separate that kid from the mosque and his roommate were an indication of how badly they want to disconnect Islam from more domestic terrorism, which is the original point of our discussion.

And then you have the example of Able Danger- if it wasn't for Weldon going on the radio, and preaching about it on the House floor, we would never have known what we all suspect, that 911 was an example of negligence by forces in the government who were more concerned with protecting their illegal dealings with China than protecting the American people. Now we're seeing the current group of leaders running cover for them!

Anyway, I don't disparage your skepticism- it's good, and it keeps research healthy.

50 posted on 10/24/2005 6:55:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You nonconformists are all the same.)
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