Just a theory. What do you think?
posted on 10/26/2005 11:48:24 AM PDT
Well, I think most of this is very on target. But rather than agree with his final theory, I think it is more about establishment Republican's rock solid belief in the first theory/plan of action -- the be more democratish plan. And arrogance that is unwilling to see the failure of the plan. And spinelessness has made them unable to see the time to actually act on principle. Perhaps they just have no principle anymore, just a lust for power. So there is no plan beyond the pursuit of power for power's sake.
posted on 10/26/2005 12:14:13 PM PDT
by The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people. Ps. 14:34)
To: Alamo-Girl; Peach; Enchante; backhoe; Arthur Wildfire! March; ravingnutter; wagglebee
What do you guys think? Too cynical, or legitimate reality check?
posted on 10/26/2005 12:47:36 PM PDT
(You nonconformists are all the same.)
Not a very good theory.
Well, the fact is that they will sit home, as they did to Bush's father in 1992. I can't believe that the GOP does not know this - they vividly remember that year. However, when it comes time for elections, and the democrat opponent clearly wants to shove things like taxes, gay marraige, and America hatred down your throat, some (not all) conservatives will come out to the polls.
posted on 10/26/2005 1:06:31 PM PDT
(This space outsourced to India)
To: strategofr; Just mythoughts; Centurion2000; Las Vegas Dave; cripplecreek; Earthdweller
Just wanted to ping you to a few thoughts I've had lately.
posted on 10/26/2005 1:21:55 PM PDT
(You nonconformists are all the same.)
I'm almost ready to believe it. I still believe that 41 threw the match.
posted on 10/26/2005 2:53:21 PM PDT
(LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
Too many Pubbies on the hill are so afraid the media will put them in a bad light to the voters that they just allow the leftists to control the agenda. They should not be reelected, but I do not like the idea of the rats taking over again. I do think there is a good possibility they will thanks to the media and their campaign against Bush and his administration however.
posted on 10/26/2005 6:08:33 PM PDT
(It is all my fault okay?)
The gun grabbers need scary gun violence stories to promote their agenda.
The NRA needs gun grabbers to pose at least the appearance of a threat in order to raise money.
Would the Republicans feel any sense of urgency if hillary! couldn't run? Doesn't the national party need the spectre of hillary! or worse running for office in order to raise money?
It's hard to convince anyone that there is an opponent if that opponent is dead or invisible.
You make some sense.
posted on 10/27/2005 1:00:26 PM PDT
by Eagle Eye
(There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
I agree with it. Look at 'pubs that are pi**ed off at conservatives all the time. What is it they say again?? Say it with me.. DAMN YOU, YOU JUST WANT KERRY / HILLARY (insert democrat name here). A scare tactic they've been using on conservatives now when anyone questions where the GOP is going, questioning the policies of the administraion, or tired of being ignored.
Well, it's not going to work in '06. The betrayals of the GOP to the conservative base have gone unanswered long enough. Fine, if they don't need us, want us.. fine. If the "Rockerfeller Republicans" could work up the bravery to fight the left as much as they fight the conservatives, then perhaps we could get this party back on track.
As for me.. they better deliver something good soon. The amnesty plan will absolutely kill the GOP. So they better think long and hard about their next move.
posted on 10/28/2005 5:20:34 PM PDT
(Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. (More than a typing exercise))
I think it will get Hillary elected..
posted on 10/28/2005 8:37:39 PM PDT
(CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
It's certain that the Democratic Party consistently nominates people who should never be president. John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter . . .
As long as the Democrats are the opposition and a real threat to win election, conservatives have to oppose them. Leaving us to support people who are not truly conservative but are actually the lesser evil.
posted on 10/29/2005 11:34:04 AM PDT
(The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
Are the Republicans THIS STUPID?
posted on 10/29/2005 12:28:27 PM PDT
I would say it was a good one if it wasn't for the concept of "destroying the Democrat party". Democrats are the "Death to Republicans" party right now, it seems. Maybe Democrats are facing a net decline nationwide (anyone got any numbers supporting this besides the usual party defections?), but they still hold offices everywhere, not just NE and the left coast. The way a party dies is through a permanent schism or a loss of elected party members. How can Republicans induce that sort of thing in the Democrat party, and would Conservatives like any plan of action like that? Bush's plan was to kill Democrat national domestic policy by taking away health care and education, making conservatives justifiably nervous by never vetoing a bill. He's tried to take away the Democrat's great white hope and the GOP's old nightmare: Hispanic voters, making conservatives nervous again as he moves from party building tactics to pro-immigration legislation. On trade, he's done what every successful president has done over the last ten-fifteen years: follow the political winds and don't worry about the unions, much less count on their support. He's eclipsed any serious, distinct foreign policy stands on the part of the Dems aside from the question of withdrawing from Iraq sooner rather than later. He's come up with token gestures to make social conservatives happy and weaken national Democrats without really changing much of anything, as "cultural decline" is something that government can only contribute to in the first place. He's tried to strengthen GOP connections to the Washington bureaucracy with his various defense & WoT projects.
These are all very pragmatic goals designed to erode traditional Democrat support. It's worked rather well in some cases, but if he goes too far, he'll alienate conservatives who are patient enough to wait for their president to throw them some crumbs every now and then. Time is not on the Democrats side if the GOP can hope to keep their momentum going past '06, but that's not a certainty, especially since Bush really has been alienating conservatives lately in response to events. Bush can't control the weather, and the middle ground he's been taking (with the exception of the WoT) has only helped to make the future more uncertain. In the long run, Democrats can make a comeback as they have several times before. Opportunism has kept the Democrats alive for decades.
Until the GOP figures out how to deliver fundamental changes in the federal government (spending reductions, real tax reform, ending entitlements, bringing about real spending cuts, paring down the government, and empowering the conservatives in congress), it's going to be Democrats versus Republicans versus independents on the national level. Republicans (or conservatives) shouldn't continue to assume that it takes an ever larger majority in Congress to bring about these sorts of changes. On the state and local level, conservative activists need to continue to pull the GOP to the right, make them deliver on their promises, and undermine the Democrats everywhere.
posted on 10/29/2005 1:47:02 PM PDT
To: ovrtaxt; Just A Nobody
For months I have been asking myself WHY is the President doing what he is doing? None of it makes sense to me!
You make some great points and observations. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
posted on 06/03/2006 8:44:01 AM PDT
by jan in Colorado
(Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum (If you wish for peace, prepare for war.))
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