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To: solitas
Wonder if CleanFlicks really do violate copyright - the way I understand it, they buy a tape and resell it to you with the problematic parts cut out. they don't actually copy it. with a dvd you might have to copy - I'm not sure - but they're not ripping the makers off - they buy one copy for each copy they sell.

It seems pretty much the same as if I bought books and resold them with the steamy pages razored out.

I wish I could get custom movies - I'd like that one PG on the violence, PG-13 on sex and language please. There's a lot of highly praised movies I've skipped because I knew they'd be too violent for me - The Patriot for instance, or Braveheart.

Artistic integrity, I suppose. Like putting a bathrobe on the Venus de Milo.

Mrs VS

2 posted on 11/18/2005 6:58:05 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Yeah, with a tape you can actually cut things out of it and re-sell the remainder. I don't know about a DVD though - would they have to rip it, edit it, burn it, and destroy the original?

T'would make more sense to rip/edit/save once to burn many times WHILE paying the distributor for copies they've so cloned.

I could imagine gibson's so full of himself that he doesn't want his snuff-flick edited and doesn't _care_ that people don't want to see gratuitous violence.


5 posted on 11/18/2005 7:37:20 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
Wonder if CleanFlicks really do violate copyright - the way I understand it, they buy a tape and resell it to you with the problematic parts cut out. they don't actually copy it. with a dvd you might have to copy - I'm not sure - but they're not ripping the makers off - they buy one copy for each copy they sell.

Unfortunately, I don't think that Cleanflicks has a leg to stand on since their actions, even though they ensure that the owners of the films get properly paid, nonetheless do not fall under legally-recognized concept of "fair use", and I don't think even the new laws explicitly allowing for auto-editing players allow for what Cleanflicks is doing (producing edited copies of films).

I am somewhat curious, though, what would have been the legal implications--prior to video taking over everything--of a company which purchased 16mm film prints, edited them, and then sold the edited films? Having to edit the film prints individually would probably be more trouble than it was worth, though with the right sort of equipment it wouldn't be too bad. Anyone know if anyone ever did that? Note that this is a very different situation from editing a film and then selling duplicates of the edited film (as companies like Castle Films very frequently did in 8mm); for that, copyright permission would obviously be required as for any mass-duplication effort.

8 posted on 11/18/2005 11:44:06 PM PST by supercat (Sony delinda est.)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
I suppose that it's a copyright violation in that their using someone else's title for a similar, yet different work. It would be like starting your own newspaper and calling it the New York Times. You're deceiving people who purchase your paper thinking that it's really the NY Times. This would harm the NY Times' copyright. In the same way, they are harming Mel Gibson's property by producing not just a similar product, but one that purports to be the same as what he offers.

And, of course, what they're doing in terms of artistic works is an obscenity.

12 posted on 11/19/2005 9:54:04 AM PST by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: VeritatisSplendor
There's a lot of highly praised movies I've skipped because I knew they'd be too violent for me - The Patriot for instance, or Braveheart.

Take away the violence in either, and you have taken away the story as well.

21 posted on 11/23/2005 8:48:20 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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