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http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120 ^ | 12-16-05 | me

Posted on 12/15/2005 9:44:48 PM PST by systematic

FreeRepublic Team Ranked #1,550 (of 41,708 teams)


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: computing; cure; disease; distributed; fah; fh; folding; foldingathome; foldinghome; prions; proteins; software; stanford; stanforduniversity; tech

1 posted on 12/15/2005 9:44:51 PM PST by systematic
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To: systematic; A.Hun; ambrose; Blood of Tyrants; Cagey; CarrotAndStick; CFC__VRWC; cgk; ChadGore; ...

Previous FR F@H thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1537549/posts


2 posted on 12/15/2005 9:45:27 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: systematic
Free Republic Folders

Date of last work unit 2005-12-15 21:10:53
Active CPUs within 50 days 55
Team Id 36120
Grand Score 122645 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 909 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1556 of 41708
Home Page http://www.freerepublic.com
Fast Teampage URL http://fah-web.stanford.edu/teamstats/team36120.html

3 posted on 12/15/2005 9:46:19 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: systematic
Rank
(within team)
User Score WU
1 Compaq_Owner 19752 136
2 Dads_AMD3000 18445 64
3 Texas_Booster 17577 139
4 Compaq_Owner3 12397 104
5 T_Admin 6796 53
6 bubba_sales 6223 50
7 Jim 5007 39
8 Uriah 3903 34
9 Tony1 3176 23
10 Ken_in_Texas 2437 10
11 Malsua 2340 15
12 ENDUSER_Michael 2298 16
13 Weasel 2167 19
14 Steve_Wilson_1 2053 19
15 Brian_Admin 1649 12
16 kenth 1622 17
17 Vern_1 1523 13
18 dfwddr 1339 17
19 Compaq_Owner_David 1294 12
20 susan 1141 10
21 Kevin_Inspiron 952 6
22 Chesterbelloc 852 8
23 Trax_Admin 848 7
24 BoT 843 30
25 David_G_1 808 7
26 Tactical 671 4
27 Big_Bobs_FTW_1 549 3
28 David_Griffith 453 4
29 A.Hun 422 3
30 FourtySeven 300 2
31 Vladimir_F 287 10
32 xeniast 287 2
33 Hawkeyes_Girl 255 3
34 sshultz460 206 1
35 Drachenfels 206 1
36 ShakeNJake 206 1
37 cgk 201 2
38 CPQ_1700 197 2
39 Michael_K 182 1
40 sales_don 182 1
41 Heil_Dad 171 3
42 vidi 166 1
43 VICI 106 1
44 Veni 48 1
45 ChadGore 48 1
46 Becky1 41 1
47 jarod_1 19 1

4 posted on 12/15/2005 9:46:57 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: systematic

Shoot! I'm going to have to unplug for the holidays soon. And I was doing so well...


5 posted on 12/16/2005 3:14:19 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: systematic
Image hosted by Photobucket.com my work unit is up to a wopping SIX% now... at this rate, i might get on the board by this time next year 8^)
6 posted on 12/16/2005 7:36:12 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: systematic

Thanks for the ping!

So... when it says a new 5000 frame WU will be completed Thurs Sep 22, year 2016 (3933 days) - it's just kidding, right? :o)


7 posted on 12/16/2005 8:29:40 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

my computer is working on a 12,500 frame WU.

To calculate the time it takes to complete it, multiply thg frames times the time/frame (in my case it's 12, frames x 44 seconds/frame)


8 posted on 12/16/2005 8:44:39 AM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: systematic

Uhm... that's not good. I guess there's no way to control what kind of WU's you receive?

It actually reads that this 5000 frame WU takes 1132 minutes per frame and lists an end date for the WU of:

17:39 Thr 22 Sep 16
3933d: 07h:42m:22s

I just completed a 12,500 frame like yours that took a couple days max... from 7 s per frame to 44 s per frame.


9 posted on 12/16/2005 8:57:07 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

You must have a super computer. From what I understand, WUs get assigned based on processor speed, available RAM and internet connection speed.

The good news is that ranking is based on points (not WUs), so you'll a ton of points for that.

I think you can get more than 2,000 points for huge WUs. The smallest WUs I've seen only result in 15 points.


10 posted on 12/16/2005 9:23:46 AM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: cgk

My problem (1st one) says 400,00 out of 500,000 steps done. It downloaded this one Dec 10. Even though I don't get a direct report of time per step, it looks like a step is taking about 1½ seconds.

I am using the console version, anybody know if a step and frame are the same (apparently not)? Is there a relation between frames (or steps) and the score? (I think this will vary per machine if a relation exists.) I'm wondering if my problem is going to help the team score any.


11 posted on 12/16/2005 9:47:07 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: systematic

I surely never thought of my computer as a super computer. It's an Intel Celeron 2.8 GHz with 512 RAM... cable modem connection.

But I did solve the problem, if there was one as far as it taking 11 years to finish this WU... heh.

I quit the program and started it up again. Now it reads:
2m/9s per frame...
85/5000 frames completed.
WU end date: Fri Dec 23, 7days

Much better... my panic is over!


12 posted on 12/16/2005 10:25:42 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: HangThemHigh; systematic; Malsua; texas booster

I am pinging some of the "experts" to your post, as I am not certain. I do believe a step and a frame are the same thing, but I am very new to this.

I'll demonstrate my naivete - is the console version you are using the one where you have an icon in your system tray in windows? You can double-click it to view the program status/working? If so, I guess I am using the console version as well!


13 posted on 12/16/2005 10:27:51 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

The console version runs in an MSDOS window, with no graphics. The Windows version piddles away a little of its processing power by showing you that rendering of a molecule. Not much, but I'm cheap.


14 posted on 12/16/2005 10:33:12 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: prion

If the console version has a window of any sort, I haven't found it. I have just been looking at the the log it keeps.


15 posted on 12/16/2005 10:38:37 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: HangThemHigh
If the console version has a window of any sort, I haven't found it.

You must have it set to run at boot. I kick mine up manually on the command line, hence the window. If I close the DOS window, it exits the program.

16 posted on 12/16/2005 11:36:09 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: HangThemHigh
I suspect that the relationship between steps and frames varies depending on the particular molecule being examined.

In one of my current projects there are 500 frames, and the log shows a total of 500,000 steps. Another machine has 2062 frames, and is logging progress for a total of 2062 steps. In other words, it depends. :-)

17 posted on 12/16/2005 12:49:03 PM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: ken in texas; prion; cgk; systematic
Here's an interesting comment from the F@H Support Forum:

The word "Frames" is poorly defined in FAH. You'll find two different meanings, but in both cases, they are fractions of a complete WU. Depending on the speed of your computer, you'll probably complete a WU in one to several days. Then the results will upload and an new work assignment will be downloaded. A few hours later, the points will appear on-line under your name and team number. Each work assignment has a project number, and additional information about that project can be found on the Project Summary (See a link on the top of this page, or on the Stanford web page.) Detailed information is available in a file called FAHlog.txt. You'll find messages similar to the following: [05:04:24] Completed 0 out of 125000 steps (0) [05:42:19] Completed 1250 out of 125000 steps (1) [06:20:08] Completed 2500 out of 125000 steps (2) [06:58:02] Completed 3750 out of 125000 steps (3) and on the GUI you'll find a message saying Frames Completed: 3/125 which really means I've completed 3% of the current WU. Unlike the information shown on the GUI, most people would say this is frame 3, and the WU has 100 frames (one associated with each message). In your case, you probably have a WU with 25000000 steps and you've now completed 5000000 which is shown as 5000/25000 which is 20% completed. When it gets to 100% you'll have completed your first WU. The Folding process takes a lot of computing, and progress on any one machine is slow, even on the fastest of PCs . . . and there are some 180,000 active PCs all working simultaneously on this project.

This dosen't really answer the frames/steps question, but may help us understand frames better. This quote was made by the sys admin.

18 posted on 12/16/2005 4:01:15 PM PST by dfwddr (Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.)
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To: ken in texas

Are you running the console version? If so, where are you getting the frame count?


19 posted on 12/16/2005 4:02:17 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: HangThemHigh

Frames completed shown in the middle (left side) of page

20 posted on 12/16/2005 4:06:42 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: systematic; All

Team member stats: http://fahstats.com/t.php?t=36120

Team production: http://fahstats.com/tp.php?t=36120

Teams we'll conquer next: http://fahstats.com/tr.php?t=36120


21 posted on 12/16/2005 4:15:49 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: HangThemHigh
Right now I'm running the GUI verson... right click on the tray icon, select 'Display', and you'll get something similar to what systematic's link in post #20 displays.

If you're running the console version, I can't answer right now. I might crank that version up to do some more WUs, but will wait until the existing ones are finished.

22 posted on 12/16/2005 4:59:17 PM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: systematic
But that is the GUI version, right? Maybe I should switch.

The console version has no icons or window that I can find. I did notice an option when I was setting up that mentioned "use IE settings" or something, but I left it on the default setting (No) since I didn't know what it was about.
23 posted on 12/16/2005 6:54:14 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: systematic

Ok, now i've officially been at this almost exactly 1 week.

I've STILL got 2 computers yet to check in. One is a slow piece of crap p4 1.6 and the other is this one and I've throttled it back because my hot machine, this one and my wife's all share the same 1500UPS. When I pump this one to 100% my UPS whines that I've got less than 5 minutes time remaining by using about 650 watts.

I've done 20WUs so far, but as a team, we're all cranking! Woot. I can add more machines if we hit a wall. Need to get more freepers going.


24 posted on 12/16/2005 8:57:15 PM PST by Malsua
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To: HangThemHigh
But that is the GUI version, right? Maybe I should switch.

Yeah, it's the gui version. Unless you right click and do "display" it just sits in your tray, there's no cycles stolen on the display. If you have a modern video card, even if you display, the cycles lost are negligable.

25 posted on 12/16/2005 9:14:36 PM PST by Malsua
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To: HangThemHigh

The "use IE settings" refers to how your computer connects to the Internet. It could be a direct connecton, through a firewall, dial-up, whatever. That just means do it the same way the IE is configured.


26 posted on 12/17/2005 5:39:13 AM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: ken in texas

Team rank #1,500.

Congrats, team! Let's go for Top 1,000


27 posted on 12/17/2005 7:52:42 AM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: systematic; Dashing Dasher; pissant; Millie; martin_fierro; DaveLoneRanger; Skooz

Well, I've got a third machine up and running, but it's a Duron 950, at about 67%, and it's first project is a 3750 framer, so it may be April before we see any results !! LOL

Team progress has been GREAT, but we need some more freepers to help us out. Come on guys, it takes very little time, and is free. Do a keyword search on "folding" and see what a good cause this is. If you need help setting up, anyone on this thread will be willing to help.


28 posted on 12/17/2005 10:12:55 AM PST by dfwddr (Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.)
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To: Malsua
I've STILL got 2 computers yet to check in.

Well get to it buddy!!! Looks like you overtook me in the team standings. Way to crank them out. I've got a machine swap or two coming up this weekend but hope to have things stabilized after that.

29 posted on 12/17/2005 10:41:17 AM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: dfwddr; systematic; Dashing Dasher; pissant; Millie; martin_fierro; DaveLoneRanger; Skooz; ...

F2H now lists us at 1491 as of 2:15 CST, and ExtremeOverclockers.com lists us at 1474.

We are gaining on lots of teams, with only team, QUT HPC gaining on us. We really need a couple of machines to kick in to put some space between us and them.

We have contributed 4,294 points in the last 24 hours which will push into the Top 1000 in the first half of January. This is the key stat that I focus on.

I have added a couple of slow systems to the cause. Slow, but I can run them 24x7 at home over Christmas before they go to their new homes.


30 posted on 12/17/2005 12:23:42 PM PST by texas booster (Bless the legal immigrants!)
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To: texas booster

Another interesting stat at fahstats.com: in terms of points in the last week, we are in 239th place; for points within the last 24 hours, we are #196.


31 posted on 12/17/2005 3:15:43 PM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: ken in texas; All
Another interesting stat at fahstats.com: in terms of points in the last week, we are in 239th place; for points within the last 24 hours, we are #196.

That's why we should strive to be in the Top 200 teams. Since FR is the largest and most active community on the Internet, we should have no problem breaking into the Top 100. We need ideas on how to get more FR members to sign up.

32 posted on 12/17/2005 6:36:03 PM PST by systematic (Folding@Home for Team FreeRepublic (Team# 36120))
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To: ken in texas; All

Thanks KiT, I was wondering what IE had to do with anything.

Just finshed my 1st WU on Team FR & got on the board. 182 points - looks like a pretty typial problem. It took 7 days to finish the 1st WU, that sound about normal?

The new problem is now 1% done after 2 hr, so it should take about the same time as the 1st one (assuming only 2 hours are enough to predict).

I notice it has downloaded and is running a different core that the first problem. Interesting.


33 posted on 12/17/2005 8:13:47 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: systematic
"We need ideas on how to get more FR members to sign up."

Does anyone know how we could go about petitioning FR to put up a team page and a link on the header or sidebar to give us more visibility.

34 posted on 12/17/2005 8:26:18 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: ken in texas
Well get to it buddy!!! Looks like you overtook me in the team standings. Way to crank them out. I've got a machine swap or two coming up this weekend but hope to have things stabilized after that.

Well, yer doggin me! ROFL. We keep swapping spots. All of mine have finally checked in. I see you've got 5 machines on the board. I got 2 smokers, 3 so-so and 3 also-rans. I may stick another couple in this coming week just for giggles.

35 posted on 12/17/2005 8:50:38 PM PST by Malsua
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To: cgk
But I did solve the problem, if there was one as far as it taking 11 years to finish this WU... heh.

I've noticed something similar. When a WU first starts, the time estimates seem to be way off. Once it's been running for a while and has more statistics for the current WU, the timings become more accurate.

36 posted on 12/18/2005 6:01:51 AM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: Malsua

Well, looks like you'll stay ahead of me for a while. I'm losing one of the machines tomorrow (2.8GHz Pentium.) My daughter brought her laptop over Thursday because it wouldn't boot. I figure that since she got a free multi-hundred dollar computer repair, I might as well use it for a couple WUs in the meantime. :-)


37 posted on 12/18/2005 6:04:41 AM PST by ken in texas (Can't afford a tagline... please send money.)
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To: Malsua; systematic; A.Hun; ambrose; Blood of Tyrants; Cagey; CarrotAndStick; CFC__VRWC; cgk; ...

For those of you with more than one machine running, here's a handy little (open source) tool you can install to monitor F@H on all your boxes from one place. This is especially handy if you don't want to run monitors on all computers. It will work on both Windows and Linux boxes.

http://fahmon.silent-blade.org/


38 posted on 12/18/2005 6:13:13 AM PST by dfwddr (Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.)
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To: dfwddr
Image hosted by Photobucket.com Yee Haw... i'm up to 10% of my first work unit!!! i might get on the board by spring.
39 posted on 12/18/2005 6:38:47 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Chode

4% in two days ??? Might be time to consider dumping AOL :) LOL


40 posted on 12/18/2005 6:49:03 AM PST by dfwddr (Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.)
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To: dfwddr
DISCUSSION CONTINUED ON NEW THREAD:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1542884/posts

41 posted on 12/18/2005 10:06:53 AM PST by texas booster (Bless the legal immigrants!)
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