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.50 Caliber Terror News Special Alert!(extreme barf alert)
email | 1 11 06 | .50caliberterror.com

Posted on 01/11/2006 11:06:57 AM PST by freepatriot32

Dear xxxxxx

We are pleased to tell you that the campaign to protect America from "50 Caliber Terror" is gaining momentum! This week the New York State Assembly passed a package of legislation to stem the tide of gun violence that included a ban on .50-caliber sniper rifles.

And in Illinois, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley announced 4 pieces of gun violence prevention legislation that also included a bill to restrict anti-armor, .50-caliber sniper rifles.

Your support of the Freedom States Alliance is helping to educate America about these weapons of terror. You can help us build our campaign by asking your friends, family, and co-workers to join the Freedom States Alliance by signing up here: https://app.etapestry.com/hosted/FreedomStatesAlliance/Signup.html

And to keep you informed, below is an article on the legislation in NY to keep .50-caliber sniper rifles out of the hands of terrorists. When you read this article you can see how our messages and campaign is making an impact thanks to your support.

2006 is here and the Freedom States Alliance is off and running and we're just getting started.

Sincerely,

"50 Caliber Terror" – A homeland security campaign by the Freedom States Alliance.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/010906GunViolence.html

Banning 50-Caliber Weapons

Another proposal, sponsored by Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington (D-Patchogue), would ban 50-caliber sniper weapons, which can be used to disable commercial aircraft and helicopters and are powerful enough to penetrate steel plating. These dangerous weapons which are used extensively by the United States military, are accurate from over one mile away. They continue to be available for purchase in New York by anyone who can buy a rifle. A report from the nationally-renowned Violence Policy Center found that these weapons have been purchased by the Al Qaeda terrorist network and used by other domestic and international terrorist organizations. Silver noted the Assembly had sought to include a ban on these weapons in a comprehensive state anti-terrorism law passed two years ago, but the proposal was rejected by the Senate and the governor each time. Silver called attention to California's recent enactment of legislation banning these weapons and called on New York to do the same.

"A 50-caliber weapon in terrorist hands is a nightmare scenario. With deadly accuracy, it can destroy targets from over a mile away. Designed for assassination and armor piercing, they are military weapons with no legitimate purpose on our streets. They are a clear and present terrorist threat," said Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington. "These weapons of war are easier to buy than handguns. Banning the 50-caliber weapon is one way we can fight the war on terror." To Donate http://www.50caliberterror.com/donate

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.50 Caliber Terror is a project of the Freedom States Alliance. We're working to change the way America thinks about guns.

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A homeland security campaign by the Freedom States Alliance.

a 50 caliber weapon is homland security you bunch of communist pukes.I have an idea.Why dont we ask the FREEDOM STATES alliance to conduct a poll in every state like new york and illinois that has heavy gun cotrol and ask all of the citizens how FREE they feel to walk the streets in thier nieghborhood at night?

As for mien Feurer daly chicago already has stronger gun control laws then any state on the books.So of course the crime rate is through the roof.The only people safe in chicago are the dozens of ARMED body gaurds assigned to protect Feurer daly and all the cops in chicago.Most of wich are bought and paid for whores of the gangbangers that have most of the weapons in chicago and use them on a daily basis against the illegally unarmed common citizens of little moscow errr I mean chicago

1 posted on 01/11/2006 11:07:03 AM PST by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32
I'd bet money this "campaign" is funded by people wanting to sell more 50 cals. I bet sales go up every time this group does something.

Keep it up folks.

2 posted on 01/11/2006 11:09:04 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
3 posted on 01/11/2006 11:09:40 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

If they ban the 50 cal BMG, someone will come out with the 49.99 BMG.


4 posted on 01/11/2006 11:10:18 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Travis McGee; Joe Brower; Mr. Mojo; DaveLoneRanger

ping


5 posted on 01/11/2006 11:12:53 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

LOLOLOLOLOL


6 posted on 01/11/2006 11:13:31 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: freepatriot32

Anyone that supports gun control and wishes to disarm America also supports terrorism and terrorist ideals. Gun control advocates should be viewed as terrorist sympathizers and dealt with appropriately.

Try to take my .50 BMG rifle... you won't like the outcome.

Mike


7 posted on 01/11/2006 11:13:35 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: freepatriot32

"...Violence Policy Center found that these weapons have been purchased by the Al Qaeda terrorist network and used by other domestic and international terrorist organizations."

I defy this group to prove this statement. Why would Al Qaeda pay $3000 or more for a 50 cal when they could buy an RPG for hundreds. Hey VPC, show me the proof that a 50 cal has ever been used in a crime.


8 posted on 01/11/2006 11:13:52 AM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
lets call it the 12.6mm pee pee pants Or the sheeple express/p>
9 posted on 01/11/2006 11:14:30 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: narby

Just an excuse to take another gun away from the citizens. They can't ban guns outright so they will do it piecemeal.


10 posted on 01/11/2006 11:27:14 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Actually Ronnie Barrett and one of the other 50 cal manufactorers have threatened just that to make a PRK legal version now that they have banned the 50BMG...


11 posted on 01/11/2006 11:34:02 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: oyez

These people would ban anything that would travel farther or faster then you could chunk your average worthless, yet well guarded, fat ass politician (insert a picture of the Swimmer as to how far that might be).


12 posted on 01/11/2006 11:41:06 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: narby

A report from the nationally-renowned Violence Policy Center ??? yeah,' renowned for what?? So it's a report..that it comes from VPC means it is NOT fact but fiction.


13 posted on 01/11/2006 11:46:31 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: freepatriot32
Well I guess my .58s are mean and nasty things also.

But the polished metal and rose colored wood look so nice together hanging on the wall.
14 posted on 01/11/2006 11:55:27 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: freepatriot32
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15 posted on 01/11/2006 11:58:55 AM PST by M203M4
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If they ban the 50 cal BMG, someone will come out with the 49.99 BMG.

Reminds me of my grandpa's 9.9 HP boat motor that he used on lakes that limited boats to less than 10 HP.

16 posted on 01/11/2006 3:16:21 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: freepatriot32; All
What a bunch of bedwetting pukes. They preach a bunch of emotionally charged bull$hit and nothing more. I always love to ask these goons "Since knives are commonly used to kill people, should we ban knives or have a registry?". They look at me like I am nuts.

I have no need to ever own an 'assault' style firearm, but I want one sooo bad simply because I know that the fact of me owning one is bound to make at least one of these losers crap their trousers. In addition to having "Socialize This" engraved on the end of the barrel of the S&W 500 Mag I also intend to buy, for the exact same reason.

Debunk .50 cal, and other gun myths here:


17 posted on 01/11/2006 3:47:04 PM PST by proud_yank (Guns cause crime like forks cause Michael Moore to be fat.)
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To: M203M4

ROFLMAO!


18 posted on 01/11/2006 3:51:26 PM PST by proud_yank (Guns cause crime like forks cause Michael Moore to be fat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If they ban the 50 cal BMG, someone will come out with the 49.99

I'm ahead of the curve. Already own a .54.

'Course it takes a minute-and-a-half to load it (smoke pole).

19 posted on 01/11/2006 4:39:47 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Here's a nice work around for this "problem".

http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w33850.html

Lovely little devil. No, I don't have one, but it's a very intriguing cartridge design.


20 posted on 01/11/2006 8:04:15 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: freepatriot32
A 50-caliber weapon in terrorist hands is a nightmare scenario. With deadly accuracy, it can destroy targets from over a mile away.

Yeah, that's what terrorists do. Maybe the next terrorist to strike will have one on the seat next to him when he parks next to a building, or drives through the front door and blows himself up. Box-cutters or dirty nukes.

21 posted on 01/12/2006 6:30:04 AM PST by Simo Hayha (An education is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to protect oneself from harm.)
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To: planekT
Very interesting.

Although doomed if they decide to go after case length (next).

22 posted on 01/12/2006 11:22:39 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Squantos; Travis McGee; PoorMuttly
If they ban the 50 cal BMG, someone will come out with the 49.99 BMG.

Not quite. But I've seen a prototype of a .50 BMG round [12.7x99mm] necked down to a .338. It's awesome.

A few years back, I was playing around with the 20mm Lahti L39 antitank round necked down to .50, mainly as a rulebeater to get rebuilt Lahtis past the import restrictions for *Destructive Devices. Sadly, the cost of new barrels, rebarrelling and a run of the .50 x 139mm ammo made the project unfeasable. But it was amazing to fire at 55-gallon drums filled with water a mile away and score spectacular hits.

And it made Mi-24 *Hind-D* drivers tremble....


23 posted on 01/12/2006 11:30:49 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: planekT
Here's a nice work around for this "problem". http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w33850.html

Lovely little devil. No, I don't have one, but it's a very intriguing cartridge design.

The cartridge is over bore capacity and sever throat erosion occurred within only 250 rounds. Talbot also tried a shortened version of the cartridge, about one inch shorter than the full length case, in order to increase the loading density. The maximum load of 170 grains of Accurate Arms 8700 powder occupied only 77 percent of the volumetric capacity. However, the short version was not successful because muzzle velocity was reduced by about 500 fps.

That would be the .338 version I observed, based on the 12,7x77mm case of the M8 spotting rifle used for rangefinding with the M40A1 106mm recoilless rifle, rather than the longer .50 BMG cartridge. The idea of that parent cartridge was to approximate the trajectory of the 14-pound projectile of the 106mm high explosive warhead out to around 1000 meters. The .338/.50 project we were pursuing involved development of an semiauto action sufficiently stout for the cartridge, utilizing quickly replacable barrels [new .50 M2 barrels go for around $400 per, not exactly a *disposable* item] and both semi armour piercing and STUP projectiles with very respectable penetrative effect.
24 posted on 01/12/2006 11:44:02 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: proud_yank
I have no need to ever own an 'assault' style firearm, but I want one sooo bad simply because I know that the fact of me owning one is bound to make at least one of these losers crap their trousers.

Oh, I know JUST the item for you, details *here*. And the bayonet lug will no doubt make them weep tears of fright as well.

And, should they ever choose to try anything patently unconstitutional, illegal or oppressive, it'll be a lovely continuation of use of a weapon well-known for its efficacy in dealing with this country's enemies. Advise if I can assist in any way.

25 posted on 01/12/2006 11:51:38 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: elkfersupper

I miss my old copy of "Cartridges of the World". Loaned it to a friend and he still has it. I might just have to go buy an updated one.

The weenie gun grabbers wouldn't even let us have one of these if it were up to them.

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2073332&cp=712508.1760840&parentPage=family&searchId=1760840


26 posted on 01/12/2006 11:54:57 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: archy

$400 dollar barrels would certainly not be disposable by my standards, that's for sure.

I recall the author of COW (Frank Barnes) shot that round in Skip Talbots custom rifle, which I think weighed about 14 pounds. He said shooting prairie dogs at 600 yards it was spectacular.

LOL. Some prarie dog round!

Here's another round from that book that I always thought was interesting.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/585nyat1.html

Take a look at the energy that thing makes and tell me that wouldn't hurt. Making a rifle for this round isn't too difficult if I recall correctly.


27 posted on 01/12/2006 12:15:28 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: archy
This says it all, I got a kick out of this!



Perhaps I'll have to buy two, one as a collectors item. Did you build the rifle in post #23?
28 posted on 01/12/2006 12:20:40 PM PST by proud_yank (Aspiring CEO of a multinational corporation)
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To: archy

Your posts are always so refreshing!

Tanks, pal.


29 posted on 01/12/2006 1:26:21 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("He is a [sane] man who can have tragedy in his heart and comedy in his head." - G.K.Chesterton)
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To: proud_yank
Perhaps I'll have to buy two, one as a collectors item.

Sounds like a plan!

Did you build the rifle in post #23?

History of the L-39 Norsupyssy *here*. More info *here* and *here.*

*Bonus pic *here*

30 posted on 01/12/2006 1:47:27 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: freepatriot32; archy

Just ask em to list all the criminal acts where a 50bmg was used........(((cricket)))


31 posted on 01/12/2006 2:23:48 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: freepatriot32
…that also included a bill to restrict anti-armor, .50-caliber sniper rifles.

Without armor piercing rounds, it is not an anti-armor weapon – but it will penetrate a concrete wall nicely.
32 posted on 01/12/2006 2:26:17 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: archy

I have a McBros, A M82A1 and a old Daisy AMAC and Uncle Sugars bed wetters ain't getting any of em back in the manner they think they will.........A 20MM necked down to .338 ?!?!?!??..........I WANT one !


33 posted on 01/12/2006 2:29:12 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: BCR #226
"Anyone that supports gun control and wishes to disarm America also supports terrorism and terrorist ideals. Gun control advocates should be viewed as terrorist sympathizers and dealt with appropriately. "

Worth repeating.

34 posted on 01/12/2006 2:31:54 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Squantos
Just ask em to list all the criminal acts where a 50bmg was used........(((cricket)))

What gang banger wouldn't have a 30+ lb. rifle tucked in their skivvies? I imagine TONS of crimes have been committed with such a firearm.

Never forget: Facts, and rational thought DO NOT have any effect on the liberal mindset. Particularly, the bed-wetter anti-gun mindset!
35 posted on 01/12/2006 3:24:11 PM PST by proud_yank (Aspiring CEO of a multinational corporation)
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To: archy

Thanks for all the links archy! I always wondered what the story was with the 'bonus pic' you sent me, I have seen it before in a joke e-mail. I figured something like that was just a contraption someone built in their garage for a laugh. Now I know!

I also never knew that the Finns made anti-tank arms (I'm part Finnish so I had to smile), and that "Norsupyssy" means 'elephant gun'.

Any idea if something like that is capable of firing a DU (depleted uranium) round?

Can't imagine the recoil on something like that though!!


36 posted on 01/12/2006 3:28:44 PM PST by proud_yank (Aspiring CEO of a multinational corporation)
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To: archy

Forget the cost of the barrels. How much would that magazine cost? :-)

God that thing is huge!


37 posted on 01/12/2006 6:12:30 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: planekT
Forget the cost of the barrels. How much would that magazine cost? :-)

About $100 each, 2 per the carrying can. The 10-round version is quite available, there's also an anti-aircraft/vehicle mount gun version that's a good bit rarer. The REALLY hot item is the much-desired Finnish *fencepost* antiaircraft mounting.

God that thing is huge!

Last time I was out with one, a pal was by with his, since his 14-year-old neighbor kid wanted to try it...at around $35 per shot.

She loved it. the recoil didn't bother her a bit.

38 posted on 01/13/2006 11:03:09 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy

So a loaded mag would cost you $450.00 Ow!

I bet the percussion is pretty noticeable when it goes off.
I live about a mile from a large Military base. Whatever they are shooting over there rattles all the windows and doors in my house. WOOOF! (rattle rattle).

We also get buzzed by the big transport planes. Sometimes they just go round and round at low altitudes. I guess they are practicing missed approaches or something like that. Also get the helicopters down low. Some of them you don't even hear until they are almost on top of you.

A few years back one of their jets had some problem and they dumped all their fuel and their missles. One of the missles crashed into somebodys house. No one was hurt though.

Uncle Sugar has all kinds of goodies over there. I feel safer though knowing that this area would be a "hard" target.




39 posted on 01/13/2006 11:26:38 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: proud_yank
I also never knew that the Finns made anti-tank arms (I'm part Finnish so I had to smile), and that "Norsupyssy" means 'elephant gun'.

Then you may also be unaware that the term *Molotov Cocktail* for an improvised glass-bottle antitank incendiary also comes tous from the Finns, from the time of the 4-month-long talvisota or Winter War, of November 1939- 1940. We are now celebrating the anniversary of those days, so it's worth a smile that the nickname those supposedly humourless Finns gave to their weapon of desperation [about a million and a half Soviet troops invaded; the Finns fielded around 180,000 soldiers and reservists] still hangs on, Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov being the Soviet Foreign Minister of the period. In those four months, the Soviets reportedly suffered around one million casualties, per Nikita Kruschev. The affray was known to Russians as the Belaya Smjert, white death.

The Finnish light antitank rifles of the day were reasonably effective against the early Soviet light tanks, some of which were amphibious, and the vodka-bottle incendiaries were useful against those early tanks with gasoline-powered engines; the later Diesel engined T-34 would be another matter, as the Hungarians of Budapesh later learned the hard way in 1956.

But the Finnish alliance with WWII Germany gave the Finns two other weapons most useful against enemy armour: the shoulder-fired Panzerfaust and the 75mm tracked Sturmgeschütz III *ambush tank*.

Ironically, the Finnish military now uses a mixture of Russian AT weapons backed with the US TOW and the French APILIS recoilless AT weapon for tank killing. Hopefully, Finnish troops won't ever have to rely on home-grown field expedients again.

Any idea if something like that is capable of firing a DU (depleted uranium) round?

Yes. It needs to be shrouded in a plastic or copper sabot, just as with the larger-bore tank weapons. Likewise, tungsten-steel armor piercing rounds with copper or nylon driving bands are practical, shaped charge HEAT rounds being problematic from a rifled barrel. But there are 25mm DU rounds in service for the 25mm Bushmaster mounted on the M2 Bradley and Marine LAV, as well as helicopter and naval gun mount applications. The 20x139mm round used in the L39 remains a standard NATO light vehicle and naval application cartridge; the Norwegians still use it, among others.

Can't imagine the recoil on something like that though!!

Worse than some, not so bad as others. I've also seen a single-shot rifle chambered for the 30x173 mm round of the A10 *Warthawg's* GAU-8 rotary cannon. Can't say as I'd care to try that one meself....

40 posted on 01/13/2006 11:47:17 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: planekT
So a loaded mag would cost you $450.00 Ow

The rate of fire of the altered L39/44 full-auto version is listed at 2 rounds per second, or 120 RPM. Lubrication, ammo loading, spring tension and other factors can influence that considerably, particularly in sub-zero conditions, but I've seen that doubled...the reason for the 20-round AA magazines.

41 posted on 01/13/2006 12:01:38 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Squantos
I have a McBros, A M82A1 and a old Daisy AMAC and Uncle Sugars bed wetters ain't getting any of em back in the manner they think they will.........

As my 50th birthday approached, I decided a .50 rifle would be a suitable present to myself for reaching that milestone, which had been kind of iffy at a couple of times along the way. After considerable shopping and tire-kicking, I went with a rebarrelled WWII Boys AT rifle reworked for the .50 BMG. I learned a few things fromthat old poodle-shooter.

I've also played with the Arkansas AMAC's, but it's the .50x77 M8C spotter rifle cartridge that most intrigues me, at least in terms of cartridge development.

A 20MM necked down to .338 ?!?!?!??..........I WANT one !

Eek! No, I meant a 20x139mm case necked down to .50, somewhat resembling a REALLY overgrown 7,62 NATO blank cartridge, the idea being that L39 Lahti users could file-and-trim to 20x139 dimensions, and the .50 shooters after higher velocities could watch their rifling fly out the muzzle with each shot. But a saboted .338 might be do-able, though I've yet to work up a drawing of the 8.60x139mm Squantos....

42 posted on 01/13/2006 12:13:54 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy; PoorMuttly; TEXASPROUD
I've yet to work up a drawing of the 8.60x139mm Squantos....

Ohhhhhhh Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !~~

43 posted on 01/13/2006 1:14:59 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Call it the 8.60x139mm Squantos Safety Target.


44 posted on 01/13/2006 1:51:01 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("He is a [sane] man who can have tragedy in his heart and comedy in his head." - G.K.Chesterton)
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To: PoorMuttly

There ya go.......pissing in the punch bowl again ......:o)


45 posted on 01/13/2006 1:56:18 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Also clearly mark the ammunition boxes STANDARD VELOCITY, no matter what it is.

I am working on a .49 Muttly Flower Power myself. "no animal products used in manufacture"

.....except everyone in the factory ate baloney sammiches in the cafeteria.


46 posted on 01/13/2006 2:02:26 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("He is a [sane] man who can have tragedy in his heart and comedy in his head." - G.K.Chesterton)
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To: PoorMuttly

There ya go !! Add the term air soft nerf on the box too !


47 posted on 01/13/2006 2:08:37 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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