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Trojan Horse? [Murtha medal issue a trap]
Mudville Gazette ^ | Jan 14th, 2006 | Greyhawk

Posted on 01/14/2006 11:27:23 AM PST by Fenris6

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To: Fenris6
The Marine Corps taught me to shape the battlefield, pick key terrain.

Save all that valuable experience for a real battle. This is just a fair look at the background of a man who may well have inflated his war record.

101 posted on 01/15/2006 9:29:07 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: freema

LOL -- now THAT was a lucky stroke! :o)


102 posted on 01/15/2006 9:30:44 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: ohioWfan
Murtha is impotent, now and forever.

Actually, he was making a fair bid a few months ago to become quite potent as a rallying point for the antiwar loons. Then the Republican leadership called his bluff in Congress. That's all we're doing here: continuing to call his bluff.

He's impotent because we have worked hard to keep the left from making him potent. Who else do they have? No one.

103 posted on 01/15/2006 9:34:02 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Mine hasn't been over. Yet.

But I've got a couple extras around the house this weekend who have returned a few months ago. I'll see if I can get an opinion over breakfast.

"murtha, in my book, has endangered our troops lives
by aligning with code pink"

I think Murtha has been- and still is -endangering our troops lives since the first time he opened his mouth.


104 posted on 01/15/2006 9:37:18 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Calpernia; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I do not disagree with the evil of what he has done, and the fact that he should not be in the Congress.

What I question is pursuing the phony medal angle of things, and risking being proven wrong (who is certain about this? The SBV were absolutely sure about kerry), and losing credibility as a party because of it.

Advertise his association with the leftist extremist organization, Code Pink. Expose his current treason. Expose his endangering our troops with his vile words of retreat.

Don't go about things by digging into his past. He is enough of a traitor in the present. Get him there.

105 posted on 01/15/2006 9:40:09 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: JCEccles
I know that. He is impotent because the Republicans used political savvy to castrate him in front of the American people.

I do not think it is necessary to dig into his past. Keep it in the present.

He is a traitor, and a coward. America now knows that.

106 posted on 01/15/2006 9:42:05 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan

It might mean a lot to the Pennsylvania National Guard. Murtha never came to see them depart, he never sent any letters to them and did not show up to see the unit return.


107 posted on 01/15/2006 9:48:24 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ohioWfan

"What I question is pursuing the phony medal angle of things, and risking being proven wrong (who is certain about this? The SBV were absolutely sure about kerry), and losing credibility as a party because of it."

Are you saying the SVPFT were wrong and Republicans lost credibility because of it?


108 posted on 01/15/2006 9:55:40 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: ohioWfan
The Brothers and Sisters need to be told the truth.
They deserve a straight answer.
IF murtha can't produce ALL of his military records they will know.
Most of the Brothers and Sisters never could vote
because like me, we weren't 21.
Let them "vote" now and decide.



109 posted on 01/15/2006 10:06:18 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


110 posted on 01/16/2006 3:06:33 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: freema; Calpernia; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Are you saying the SVPFT were wrong and Republicans lost credibility because of it?

Absolutely not........not even CLOSE. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

What I was saying, is that there is ample ammunition about Murtha NOW to convict him of treason. I'm not sure that there is a reason to go after his service record.

The Swift Boat vets had abundant evidence and multiple sources to prove that Kerry's record was phony. I haven't seen that kind of evidence with Murtha, and wonder if it exists. The SBV absolutely did not hurt the credibility of the Republican party. A fishing expedition on Murtha would.

I'm going to bow out of this discussion now. I don't want to make enemies of friends because I have doubts about this effort. I don't want the shades of difference in opinion that I have to anger those with whom I have great agreement and shared values.

And I'm going to wait for more evidence to see whether or not I think this is a valid or necessary effort.

111 posted on 01/16/2006 6:58:41 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Baynative

Very punny typo, that's fer sure!


112 posted on 01/16/2006 7:30:28 AM PST by hnorris (Deserve Victory)
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To: usmcobra

"I'll never call John Glenn an ex-Marine for being a democrat."

He is not to be called an ex-Marine for being a democrat. He is an ex-Marine because he agreed to obstruct Clinton investigations in exchange for a ride on the Space Shuttle. He abandoned his duty to country for personal gain.


113 posted on 01/16/2006 7:56:09 AM PST by kilowhskey (Land of the free, because of the brave.)
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To: ohioWfan


>>>What I was saying, is that there is ample ammunition about Murtha NOW to convict him of treason.

I think we both agree on that also.

>>>I'm not sure that there is a reason to go after his service record.

What about the PA National Guard?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1558144/posts?page=107#107


114 posted on 01/16/2006 8:52:48 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: ohioWfan

I'm glad you cleared that up. I figured if that's what you were saying, I must have missed something somewhere along the line ! )

"What I was saying, is that there is ample ammunition about Murtha NOW to convict him of treason."

I agree. I can't figure out why hasn't he been charged except I noted W called it comforting the enemy, yet pointedly left out aiding the enemy. Of course, that was before he aligned with Code Pink.

"I'm not sure that there is a reason to go after his service record."

There is a long record of this opponent trying to bring his service record to light, to no avail. IMO, he is in a parallel position to Kerry because he is the left's 'legitimate' voice for America's 'military' strategy.

"The Swift Boat vets had abundant evidence and multiple sources to prove that Kerry's record was phony. I haven't seen that kind of evidence with Murtha, and wonder if it exists. The SBV absolutely did not hurt the credibility of the Republican party. A fishing expedition on Murtha would."

I agree that a fishing expedition would hurt the Republican party. Given that Murtha's opponent has this history, I see where -given Kerry's history- an exacting inquiry into Murtha's history should be pursued and might very well have the opposite affect... a legitimatation and solidification of the service provided to this country by SVPFT.

I believe, especially in light of John Kerry, these are legitimate questions that need to be asked and to let it go would be negligent.


115 posted on 01/16/2006 11:17:09 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema
You make good points.

As I said from the beginning, I am open to persuasion on the subject.

If handled correctly and for the right reasons, this might be good to pursue.

If done by his opponent as a legitimate effort to prove who Murtha is, and if the evidence is there, I have no problem with it.

If it's done just as some form of revenge for his betrayal of our troops (IMO, there are many other Dems who have done that), and lacking solid evidence, I would still suggest restraint.

116 posted on 01/16/2006 12:17:50 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Tonk. I spoke to the two who have returned from deployment about this today.

They both disagree with Murtha and would go back for a second tour.


117 posted on 01/16/2006 7:06:40 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: ohioWfan

Thanks.

"If it's done just as some form of revenge for his betrayal of our troops (IMO, there are many other Dems who have done that), and lacking solid evidence, I would still suggest restraint."

I asked another FReeper, two or three days before this CNS story hit, about Murtha's purple hearts. Precisely because of the John Kerry crap, and all of Murtha's bloviating. I agree wholeheartedly on the restraint part and appreciate anyone who can help keep an even keel and can help keep my head from spinning right off my shoulders.

I think a reasoned response to this would be for someone, ANYONE, to politely ask Mr. Murtha:

In light of the John Kerry muddle, since all of his records have not been released as requested to counter the charges by SWPFT to clarify that situation, to release his own records. Let's get this crap out in the open, and settle it, once and for all.


118 posted on 01/16/2006 7:32:08 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: K-oneTexas

Do you think Murtha's behind this "leak" as a means of getting the Republicans?


119 posted on 01/17/2006 8:23:53 AM PST by desherwood7
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To: Fenris6

So you're thinking the MSM here?


120 posted on 01/17/2006 8:24:37 AM PST by desherwood7
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To: desherwood7
Most of the history between Murtha and Baily is from the 1980's. That was a fairly acrimonious relationship if I remember. The 'conservative web site' that posted it may be looking for something or just looking to generate discussion. I also don't think that there is any "Swiftboat-like" group(s) out to get Murtha. I don't think Murtha leaked anything, nor do I think the Dems leaked anything just to him setup a poster-boy for 'what ever'.

Murtha isn't speaking about his military record, nor is he filling out the form to release them (his prerogative). Current no Republican congressional members (thankfully since it is a no win situation) are saying anything. Only Murtha's Democrat allies and one former opponent are talking about his military record. And I believe the former opponents words are from the 1980's and not 2006.

IMHO, the best course of action here is to stick to Murtha's congressional record (for praise or criticism) and comment only on it. Let the Marines and DOD handle any questions on his military awards and decorations.
121 posted on 01/17/2006 8:57:16 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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