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Corruption of the term 'National Security'
2/18/06 | Souldrift

Posted on 02/18/2006 7:23:51 AM PST by Souldrift

Everyone agrees this is a trying time, and everyone--contrary to George Bush--agrees there actually are people out there trying to harm Americans. Everyone I know, even my most liberal of friends, agrees that there are people attacking us but disagrees about the solution. But in case you missed it, George Bush thinks he's still trying to convince people that Americans are targets:

I understand there’s some in America who say, ‘Well, this can’t be true there are still people willing to attack.’ All I would ask them to do is listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously.
Because we've been targeted for attack since 9/11/01 and prior, as in the U.S.S. Cole incident, our country is fighting terrorism in the Middle East. Our government calls it a "war on terror." As I've blogged previously, we should be more careful with our phrasing, as the "war on terror" should actually be the "War on terrorism." Either way, however, the use of the militant term "war" is interesting, as there really is no identifiable country or army fighting us. The emphasis on the term "war" allows us to involve our military and operate under rules of engagement.

One of the rules that gains increased importance during wartime is protection of information classified for reasons of "national security." This phrase is an example of one that can be used as weapons, to isolate those of dissenting viewpoints. It is one thing to conceal operational details of programs which tell the enemy exactly what technologies are being used, and how they work, in our efforts against them. It is another to conceal only vague information which does not provide the enemy anything they do not know already, but which might prompt questions from the media or from the population at large. It is this second category which is most damaging.

Currently there are two battles for secrecy being fought (if not more) in the media. First, we have the release of information regarding the NSA spy program. As I blogged yesterday, Senator DeWine stated matter-of-factly "we don’t want to have any kind of debate about whether it’s constitutional or not constitutional." The administration argues that *Details* about the program may aid our enemies, and to fully debate this would require divulging some of the details. This is valid, which is why the debate was to take place among a limited number of Senators (the Intelligence Committee) which would report back its findings, to hopefully satisfy the rest of Congress and the people.

Earlier, contrary to yesterday's assertion that "of course we're willing to work with the Congress," the White House was arguing that even talking about this program aids the enemy. Honestly, it's asinine to believe that terrorists who can plan and coordinate four planes crashing into multiple targets within an hour in different cities the same morning are NOT aware we can WIRETAP. But here's Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General of the United States, trying to support this ridiculous argument:

And so, when the director of the CIA says this should really damage our intel capabilities, I would defer to that statement. I think, based on my experience, it is true -- you would assume that the enemy is presuming that we are engaged in some kind of surveillance.

But if they're not reminded about it all the time in the newspapers and in stories, they sometimes forget....And you're amazed at some of the communications that exist. And so when you keep sticking it in their face that we're involved in some kind of surveillance, even if it's unclear in these stories, it can't help but make a difference, I think.

Sorry, not good enough. If we were stating (illustration, people!) "we're using the AT&T VR-59 -2000 to tap into every CO in the American phone system, so that we intercept every phone call when it departs and enters the last-mile, and further......." we'd be giving way too much information. But WE'RE NOT! The American people also know we wiretap, but they assume that due to FISA and the events of Watergate, that wiretapping is conducted with some oversight. Because it is not, the information was leaked to the media by a concerned citizen, who can be considered a whistleblower. The White House is becoming alarmed at the frequency of leaks and is combating them. Some have called this the "most secretive administration in modern history" based on the amount of information it classifies, and this is another example.

Another recent leak where the White House is framing a nearly opposite reaction is the leak of Valerie Plame's identity. In this case, the powers that be in the executive branch were frustrated by her husband's claims against the administration, and they sought to reveal her identity in a plot to discredit him. Recently it has been alleged by the indicted "Scooter" Libby that his superiors authorized him to leak information, and by others that Cheney was ultimately behind the effort.

In this case, though, where the identity of an undercover CIA operative was revealed, it is clear that intelligence-gathering is immediately compromised, as that operative's missions are over and those of her associates (those known to our enemies) are also jeopardized. In fact, their lives may be jeopardized. Yet instead of thoroughly denouncing this behavior, Cheney now argues that he has the authority to declassify information but yet will not confirm whether or not he has done so, only that he has participated in such discussions. This is clearing the brush for defense of Libby -- Libby claims his superiors authorized it, and if the "Superior" in question (his boss, Cheney) has the authority to do so, no harm no foul.

Meanwhile, even though Cheney is arguing he has this power, Libby's defense team is requesting further information on what information the White House has declassified, and the orders given to him to disseminate it. These requests are for a great amount of "classified" information, and the prosecution now argues that Libby is requesting this information--knowing the requests will be denied--only because he thinks it will cause the case to be thrown out. Therefore he's trying to take advantage of the administration's desire to suppress the notion that it used dubious and disproven claims in its case for war against Iraq, and the scandalous means it was willing to employ to make its case, because that information would likely diminish public support for the administration--and therefore infringe upon "national security."

Clearly we have current examples of the administraiton using the defense of classifying information for "national security" selectively to achieve its own ends. The American people cannot stand for this.


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1 posted on 02/18/2006 7:23:53 AM PST by Souldrift
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To: Souldrift
Source?


2 posted on 02/18/2006 7:25:53 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Souldrift

Bye.


3 posted on 02/18/2006 7:26:13 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Souldrift
You know I have read a lot of really really STUPID things in my life but your WINS the prize of all time rank stupidity. Your stupidity is on it's own plane of existence. You are so stupid you MUST be a throwback tot eh original primordial soup of stupid. You are the holder of the founder gene from which all other stupidity springs.

After reading your post, I realize we simply must revise our understanding of Human IQ. You are proof it is possible to have a negative IQ. People are actually STUPIDER after reading your writing. Quick! Get the Nobel committee on the phone, we need them to establish a new prize category. We must have a Nobel Prize of Stupidity JUST so this troll can be the FIRST to win it.

4 posted on 02/18/2006 7:27:45 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Close the UN, Keep Gitmo!")
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To: MNJohnnie

Care to, maybe, stay on topic?


5 posted on 02/18/2006 7:28:45 AM PST by Souldrift
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To: Souldrift

IBTZ, but FYI, the White House, as the highest executive office, does have the power to declassify information.


6 posted on 02/18/2006 7:28:49 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Souldrift; Darksheare; MikeinIraq
Do you have a link to the site you got this from?


7 posted on 02/18/2006 7:31:14 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Souldrift

I quit reading this after the second paragraph. Whoever left you with the impression that you have analytical skills did you a big disservice.Go back to your freshman year of class and see if someone can teach you some civics and some logic. Your education is sorely lacking in both.


8 posted on 02/18/2006 7:31:54 AM PST by SwatTeam
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To: Souldrift

Your bs sounds like a cloning of the Left Wing $inators, who do hate a strong America and work 24/7 to weaken our country.


9 posted on 02/18/2006 7:32:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Souldrift; Darksheare; darkwing104

well gee let's see here....

Have you ever stuck your finger in an electrical socket?

And whose moose bit you this time?


11 posted on 02/18/2006 7:34:03 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Brokeback Mountain: The ONLY western where the Cowboys GET IT IN THE END!!!)
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To: American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; Beckwith; ...

An appetizer before brunch today.


12 posted on 02/18/2006 7:34:29 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Souldrift

13 posted on 02/18/2006 7:34:34 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (We don't want to risk our core mission of rocking out and bringing funk to the funkless)
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To: Souldrift

PS: Your sources suck, Blogpimp.


14 posted on 02/18/2006 7:35:15 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (We don't want to risk our core mission of rocking out and bringing funk to the funkless)
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To: Souldrift
The American people cannot stand for this.

Your stupid little rant here shows a complete lack of understanding of how our government works OR the rules for classifying and declassifying information. Somehow I'm not surprised.
15 posted on 02/18/2006 7:35:26 AM PST by MikefromOhio (Brokeback Mountain: The ONLY western where the Cowboys GET IT IN THE END!!!)
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To: Souldrift

That right! Flaunt it! Most people are wise enought to HIDE a painfur personal failing but not you! NO you FLAUNT it. Well done brave soul!


16 posted on 02/18/2006 7:35:37 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Close the UN, Keep Gitmo!")
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

Clean up on this aisle.

We have a left wing blogger pretending to be a conservative.


17 posted on 02/18/2006 7:35:52 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Souldrift

That's nice. Now you can drift your soul back to DU.


18 posted on 02/18/2006 7:36:14 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Grampa Dave

What gave you the impression I wanted to be considered conservative?


19 posted on 02/18/2006 7:38:57 AM PST by Souldrift
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To: Souldrift

"Care to, maybe, stay on topic?"

Looks to me like the topic of this thread is your lack of analytical skills. Take, for example, these quotes:

"Sorry, not good enough. If we were stating (illustration, people!) "we're using the AT&T VR-59 -2000 to tap into every CO in the American phone system, so that we intercept every phone call when it departs and enters the last-mile, and further......." we'd be giving way too much information. But WE'RE NOT!"

Oh, but that is exactly where this is going. Prior to the exposure of this program, even Al Qaeda knew we could wiretap. Any discussion beyond the fact that we have been doing it immediately goes to the question of who and how we've been wiretapping.

"The American people also know we wiretap, but they assume that due to FISA and the events of Watergate, that wiretapping is conducted with some oversight."

In addition to your lack of analytical skills, the above quote indicates you don't even pay attention. As noted in numerous articles on this subject, the wiretapping program is reviewed and reauthorized every few months.


20 posted on 02/18/2006 7:39:44 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Souldrift
Read Article 2 of the US Constitution. Come back when you actually get find a clue. YOUR opinion of what is or is not legal is completely meaningless hot air. You have no standing in our system of Govt. The President is our chosen Representative. HIS opinion of what Article 2 means DOES have legal weight. Get your losers Democrat Party candidates to actually WIN an election or two and then maybe they will listen to your lunatic Legal opinions.

So since you are so completely clueless about the actual LEGAL grounds of this matter, don't waste our time with your emotionally hysteric posturing. Your opinions on what is "legal" are completely meaningless noise.

21 posted on 02/18/2006 7:42:21 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Close the UN, Keep Gitmo!")
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To: Americanwolf; AQGeiger; Beaker; BenLurkin; baltodog; BJClinton; big'ol_freeper; Borax Queen; ...

22 posted on 02/18/2006 7:47:31 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: Souldrift
OK..

You misunderstand wiretap vs. intercepts. The only targets being monitored are ones who were intercepted getting calls from known terrorist. That makes them foreign Agents. The NSA does not have the time and the resources to wiretap every American. The average paranoid schitzo out there has nothing to worry about, except when to take their meds.

If you read the laws concerning the Plame case there was no laws broken. The only thing Fitzgerald could charge Libby with is lying to a Grand jury.

However, the person(s) who have been leaking the wiretap story is a lawbreaker and severely damaged the NSA's ability to do their job of protecting this country from a foreign threat.


23 posted on 02/18/2006 7:47:45 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

This is my point--we've already learned that Quaker groups have been watched (http://rawstory.com/news/2005/National_Security_Agency_spied_on_Baltimore_0110.html), so I do not believe this to only be foreign agents. That's abuse. I am aware Libby was only charged with lying to the Grand Jury, much like Clinton was. Don't tell me you think the Clinton indictment was valid and the Libby one not?

Ultimately, I'm not convinced this leak of the NSA program has "severely damaged their ability to to their job." Do you have proof?


24 posted on 02/18/2006 7:51:55 AM PST by Souldrift
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To: Souldrift

Corrected link: http://rawstory.com/news/2005/National_Security_Agency_spied_on_Baltimore_0110.html


25 posted on 02/18/2006 7:54:31 AM PST by Souldrift
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To: Souldrift

'I am aware Libby was only charged with lying to the Grand Jury, much like Clinton was. Don't tell me you think the Clinton indictment was valid and the Libby one not?"

No, not 'much like Clinton was'. Clinton lied to the grand jury to cover up his violation of a law that Clinton had himself signed into effect. Libby violated no law and besides, it is not clear that Libby even lied to the grand jury. So far, it is only a difference in recollections between Libby and others. Now, if you want to claim that Clinton didn't remember having sex with a woman in his private office on numerous occassions, please proceed.


26 posted on 02/18/2006 8:00:46 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Souldrift

Ultimately, I'm not convinced this leak of the NSA program has "severely damaged their ability to to their job." Do you have proof?

More to the point, do you have proof that it hasn't?

At least you are sticking around to answer for your post
which is more than most liberals do.

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

There's hope for you yet.


27 posted on 02/18/2006 8:02:48 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Souldrift

As reported on Google: "The Raw Story is a liberal alternative news counterpoint to the Drudge Report, culling liberal news, politics and alternative news from around the globe."


28 posted on 02/18/2006 8:04:34 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Souldrift
The story is a joke. The NSA agents involved where security guards doing their job of protecting Ft. Meade from trouble makers, of course they are going to interested. Ft Meade is a military installation, not a campus...You got fooled by the spin

I was stationed at Ft. Meade before I retired. Most folks at the NSA are pretty good and decent people. They are average folks doing their job. I wouldn't worry about them. I do know that when a program gets compromised the bad guys change their tactics and puts the country in jeopardy for a time till other means are used to gather information again.


29 posted on 02/18/2006 8:04:37 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Grampa Dave
We have a left wing blogger pretending to be a conservative.

Man, I was enjoying myself educating the poster...Now I got to call in the kitties.


30 posted on 02/18/2006 8:14:17 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Souldrift
Clearly we have current examples of the administration using the defense of classifying information for "national security" selectively to achieve its own ends. The American people cannot stand for this.

Where does this fool come from and why is he here?

Liberals, who begin their sentences with words and phrases like, "clearly," "the fact is" and "I'm sure you agree with me," have really big ego problems. Of course, this arrogance is a core requirement of the liberal. They are just born smarter, just ask their mommy.

Of course, this fool, who assumes to speak for "the American people," holds no elected office and undoubtedly has never been around a classified project in his life.

But I really have to giggle at the statement, "using the defense process of classifying information for "national security" selectively to achieve its own ends.

Of Course the administration is using classifications for their own ends and as President Bush has repeatedly stated, those ends are the protection of the American People.
31 posted on 02/18/2006 8:22:05 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: darkwing104

Seems everybody is being too kind to this "person".

Being very bright doesn't preclude also being very idiotic...and a lot of other psychiatric terms.

Responding directly to him seems more likely to "feed his disease" and really waste your good time.

But that's how you are...all heart.


32 posted on 02/18/2006 8:27:10 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Souldrift; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; glock rocks; Darksheare; ...
Fresh Roadkill Kitties

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . . don't be shy.

33 posted on 02/18/2006 8:29:21 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

Darken the skies with the Viking Kitties!


34 posted on 02/18/2006 8:31:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: CBart95
I was warned about people being to quick to Zot noobs.

Besides, this one was posting about something I do know about.


35 posted on 02/18/2006 8:32:26 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Grampa Dave
Done.

I do like a good debate every now and then. It helps me keep my edge. Besides I am down with the flu and pretty much homebound this weekend.


36 posted on 02/18/2006 8:35:17 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

You have a freepmail.


37 posted on 02/18/2006 8:37:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Souldrift

"Did you say regular ZOT or extra-crispy?
I could've swore I heard extra-crispy."

38 posted on 02/18/2006 8:37:48 AM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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To: Grampa Dave
Darken the skies with the Viking Kitties!

Then brighten with lightning and mushroom clouds.

39 posted on 02/18/2006 8:38:48 AM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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To: darkwing104

Souldrift is a smoldering chunk of zapped/seared troll protoplasm on the conservative road to the truth.

Time to page the paving crew to handle this little speed bump on the road to truth.


40 posted on 02/18/2006 8:40:30 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Souldrift
Everyone I know, even my most liberal of friends, agrees that there are people attacking us but disagrees about the solution.

Most of them want to crawl into corner, curl in a little ball and whimper, "Please don't hurt me" in the belief that the terrorist will be so overcome with remorse that they will give them milk and cookies.

Others believe that America is too strong and the fight against the terrorists is not fairly balanced.

Their solution is for as many Americans as possible to die. They actually want less terrorist deaths and more American deaths. So they, either openly or sub rose give aid and comfort to the enemy.

Most of us on planet reality do not consider these actual solutions.

So we believe that they must not understand the danger they are in. For surely no one could be that dense. Thank you for clearly laying out the fact that your communist friends actually are imbeciles studying to be morons... and failing.

41 posted on 02/18/2006 8:41:08 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Have you hugged your accountant today?)
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To: Souldrift

Ok now I am sticking to the REAL topic. that you are a DEAD TROLL! DEAD!

42 posted on 02/18/2006 8:42:05 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (M.S.M. CREED: "Truth has no substance until we give it permission!")
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To: Souldrift
I was taking a cat nap when my beeber went off
        Did you have to disturb me for this?
                              IATZ
 

 

43 posted on 02/18/2006 8:42:29 AM PST by vigilante2 (I'm the proud parent of a soldier)
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To: Beckwith

Thanks for posting your excellent summary of this liberal blogger's spins.


44 posted on 02/18/2006 8:42:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: Souldrift
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45 posted on 02/18/2006 8:45:45 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Souldrift
Don't tell me you think the Clinton indictment was valid and the Libby one not?

Who's saying the Libby indictment isn't valid? It hasn't gone to trial yet, so it remains to be seen.

46 posted on 02/18/2006 8:47:21 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: steveegg

Darken the skies with the Viking Kitties!

Then brighten with lightning and mushroom clouds.

Sounds like a plan! This leftwing blog/pimp pos has been zapped/zotted/seared/charbroiled!


47 posted on 02/18/2006 8:53:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: steveegg
Perfect Zot for this left wing blog pimp pos:


48 posted on 02/18/2006 8:55:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: darkwing104

This one just meandered by...

49 posted on 02/18/2006 8:56:20 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Souldrift

50 posted on 02/18/2006 8:59:08 AM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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